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13:38:17 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
13:38:17 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
13:38:23 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:38:29 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:38:44 <shadi> regrets: Charles, CarlosI, CarlosV
13:39:09 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0001.html
13:39:21 <shadi> agenda+ test subjects is a local file
13:39:32 <shadi> agenda+ using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent
13:39:41 <shadi> agenda+ location of "Extensibility" section
13:39:53 <shadi> agenda+ location of "Schema" appendix
13:40:02 <shadi> agenda+ prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"
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13:59:21 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:29 <Zakim> +Daniela
14:00:13 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:00:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:03 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:01:11 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
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14:02:34 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:02:57 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus is really JohannesK
14:02:57 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
14:04:10 <shadi> scribe: Chris
14:04:15 <shadi> scribenick: ChrisR
14:04:32 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "test subjects is a local file" taken up [from shadi]
14:05:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0000
14:07:29 <ChrisR> JK: may be able to use "test subject" class otherwise can use "file content" class.
14:08:18 <ChrisR> SAZ: recalls Charles saying we could use "test subject" class which is well formed URI but is not unique
14:08:32 <JohannesK> file://mycompi.mydomain.org/tmp/file.txt
14:08:56 <ChrisR> SAZ: could give "test subject" a unique ID
14:10:22 <ChrisR> JK: can use IP number instead of "file:..." if IP is static
14:10:48 <shadi> regrets: Charles, CarlosI, CarlosV, Jim
14:10:48 <ChrisR> SAZ: although may not have an IP number at all
14:11:32 <ChrisR> SAZ: is it important to store content of file?
14:11:51 <ChrisR> JK: yes, especially if file is not public
14:12:28 <ChrisR> JK: file content needs to go into report if file is not public
14:12:49 <ChrisR> SAZ: proposal is to change "http body" in this content
14:13:32 <ChrisR> JK: but "http body" does not have a domain yet and could be used anywhere if we change comment
14:13:53 <ChrisR> SA: not good to change vocabulary because it should be stand alone
14:14:50 <ChrisR> JK: we could create the propery in a namespace (e.g. "content") and extent "http body" property so "http body" is derived from it.
14:15:36 <ChrisR> JK: the benefit is that we have "http body" property in proper vocabulary
14:17:43 <ChrisR> SAZ: We have property to store URI and can put filename in there. But what are our needs?
14:18:30 <ChrisR> JK: In RDF we need unique identifier for resource but not for property and we need that and to be unique.
14:19:12 <ChrisR> JK: Filename is a label for stored content.
14:20:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:21:01 <ChrisR> JK: We need something for storing non-public content.
14:21:11 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really David
14:21:11 <Zakim> +David; got it
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14:22:02 <ChrisR> JK: We could use something like "body" property from HTTP. Could use as-is and then change describing stuff or could create another property and extend it.
14:22:53 <ChrisR> JK: Could use in "test subject" but what to do when we test source code in various forms? 
14:23:40 <ChrisR> JK: May not need "file content" class.
14:25:31 <ChrisR> SAZ: Wonders what are disadvantages of creating "file content" class??
14:25:34 <JohannesK> http:body rdfs:subPropertyOf foo:base64Content
14:26:09 <JohannesK> TestContent has property foo:base64Content
14:26:17 <JohannesK> s/TestContent/TestSubject/
14:26:25 <ChrisR> SAZ: If "file content" class we can recommend using properties like "file name" etc.
14:27:40 <shadi> earl:filesource rdfs:subPropertyOf foo:base64Content
14:27:55 <shadi> ...in earl:FileContent classes
14:28:23 <ChrisR> SAZ: Can still use generic properties and still use specific sub-properties.
14:28:41 <ChrisR> SAZ: Thinks that "file content" class has it's own uses.
14:30:00 <ChrisR> SAZ: If no other comments will leave for now as we're a small group today.
14:30:28 <ChrisR> SAZ: No hearing strong feelings for or against proposal so let stew.
14:30:39 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:30:39 <Zakim> agendum 1, test subjects is a local file, closed
14:30:40 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:30:41 <Zakim> 2. using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent [from shadi]
14:30:45 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:30:45 <Zakim> agendum 2. "using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent" taken up [from shadi]
14:30:58 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0056
14:31:59 <ChrisR> JK: Could use "node" property in RDF.
14:32:34 <ChrisR> SAZ: We could still propose to use it our way. 
14:33:09 <ChrisR> JK: uri:uri is part of HTTP request so if not there as property then somethink is missing.
14:33:42 <ChrisR> SAZ: It's still there - as part of HTTP request although request is optional. So we have additional uri:uri property.
14:34:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#webcontent
14:34:16 <ChrisR> JK: I'm OK with just using RDF: about.
14:34:16 <shadi> "Term for URI"
14:35:28 <ChrisR> JK and SAZ: Do not need uri:uri because we can use rdf: about.
14:36:19 <shadi> earl:filename rdfs:subPropertyOf uri:uri
14:38:09 <davidr> yes
14:38:22 <ChrisR> SAZ: Everyone agree we don't need uri:uri in property class?
14:38:23 <davidr> far more intuitive
14:39:12 <ChrisR> resolution: Drop uri:uri in webcontent class.
14:39:34 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:39:34 <Zakim> agendum 2, using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent, closed
14:39:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:36 <Zakim> 3. location of "Extensibility" section [from shadi]
14:39:39 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:39:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "location of "Extensibility" section" taken up [from shadi]
14:40:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-EARL10-Schema-20060927/#extensibility
14:41:40 <ChrisR> SAZ: Extensibility section not relavent to schema. Should be in EARL guide, not in schema.
14:41:46 <JohannesK> +1
14:42:01 <davidr> agree
14:42:58 <ChrisR> Resolution: Move extensibility section from schema to EARL guide.
14:43:07 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
14:43:07 <Zakim> agendum 3, location of "Extensibility" section, closed
14:43:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:10 <Zakim> 4. location of "Schema" appendix [from shadi]
14:43:13 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:43:13 <Zakim> agendum 4. "location of "Schema" appendix" taken up [from shadi]
14:43:26 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-EARL10-Schema-20060927/#schema-rdf
14:45:06 <ChrisR> SAZ: RDF itself does not have it inside the doc but others (like FOAF) do have it inside.
14:45:30 <ChrisR> JK: But they don't include the RDF schema in the spec.
14:47:23 <ChrisR> JK: Don't have strong feelings but can be seperate or include in spec itself.
14:48:19 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 4
14:48:19 <Zakim> agendum 4, location of "Schema" appendix, closed
14:48:20 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:48:21 <Zakim> 5. prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" [from shadi]
14:48:25 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:48:25 <Zakim> agendum 5. "prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
14:48:33 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20060705
14:49:25 <ChrisR> SAZ: This doc will be a "note" not a "recommendation".
14:49:38 <ChrisR> SAZ: Asks that everyone read it.
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14:52:10 <Zakim> -David
14:52:11 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:52:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Daniela, Shadi, Chris, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, David
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14:53:12 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:53:19 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:53:27 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-er-minutes.html shadi
14:53:29 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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