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18:26:33 <asir> ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565
18:27:35 <toufic> scribe: toufic
18:27:56 <toufic> Present: Asir, Dave, Maryann, Toufic, Prasad, plh
18:28:11 <toufic> next week scribe is prasad
18:28:20 <toufic> next week chair is asir
18:28:21 <toufic> next week chair is asir
18:28:22 <prasad> Chair: Prasad 
18:28:31 <toufic> last week's minutes are approved
18:28:41 <toufic> TODAY - Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3560 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10]
18:28:52 <toufic> TODAY - Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3566 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]
18:30:21 <toufic> ACTION: asir to owm 3560
18:30:46 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Aug/0067.html
18:31:12 <asir> TOPIC: Dave to own http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/03-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]
18:31:12 <asir> STATUS - awaiting term extract XSL, no ETA
18:32:29 <prasad> AI Maryann to propose wording for http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10 
18:34:31 <toufic> STATUS - TBA by tomorrow (Thursday August 17)
18:34:47 <prasad> TOPIC: Maryann to propose wording for http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action15 
18:36:10 <asir> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Aug/0040.html
18:38:00 <toufic> confusion about which "domain" definition needs to be cleaned up
18:38:25 <toufic> maryann: define difference between domain and domain expression
18:38:33 <toufic> asir: difficult to define "domain"
18:39:05 <toufic> maryann: several references to the word "domain". need to be consistent across the document
18:39:27 <toufic> maryann: need to be specific about "WS-Policy domain" vs just "domain"
18:40:14 <plh> agenda+ Status of the Primer
18:40:51 <maryann> I tried to take a broader view of the issues we were having in the documents with our loose use of the term "domain" and "domain expression"
18:41:11 <maryann> however it seems that Asir took a much more narrow use of the term in one specific section
18:41:44 <maryann> so i need to go back and rework the proposal
18:42:52 <maryann> however in the discussion today on the confusion by dale, there seems to be more issues around the term domain
18:43:44 <maryann> maryann view of what her followon item is, is that she will rework the proposal
18:44:00 <toufic> STATUS: Maryann to rework the proposal to be restricted to paragraph 3.4
18:44:03 <maryann> to be very specific in proposing ONLY the change to 3.4
18:44:40 <maryann> and to suggest  some additional text to see if this can be at all useful in the discussion with dale
18:44:52 <maryann> but since toufic owns that item, he can take it or leave it 
18:45:05 <maryann> there will be 2 things from me, the "narrow" edit
18:45:14 <maryann> and some additional text suggestions 
18:45:29 <Zakim> -maryann
18:45:50 <prasad> TOPIC: Editors to convert Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper to spec format (background task for Asir / Felix)
18:48:36 <toufic> plh: maryann and umit will be working on primer next week
18:49:01 <toufic> plh: not sure how it lines up with work asir and felix are doing on submitted white paper
18:49:57 <toufic> ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end
18:50:15 <toufic> s/document/white paper/
18:51:48 <toufic> ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work
18:52:37 <prasad> s/discuss/editors to discuss/
18:54:09 <prasad> TOPIC: Diff Generation
18:54:51 <toufic> STATUS: PENDING input from Norm Walsh
18:55:07 <toufic> Norm Walsh to provide with config files next week
18:57:44 <prasad> see /XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/data-model/build.xml
18:58:25 <plh> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/data-model/build.xml
18:59:50 <prasad> The above is the absolute URI to the Xsl query build.xml file that norm Walsh referrred to
19:00:26 <Zakim> -DOrchard
19:00:29 <prasad> plh: it is not just getting build.xml. You need software installed also
19:02:04 <prasad> plh: Let us wait for Felix to return to fix-up the build.xml and make it deployable 
19:03:54 <toufic> ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files
19:04:52 <prasad> s/files/ for WS-Policy by deploying the diffmk tool and updating he build.xml etc./
19:05:56 <asir> rrsagent, please show the action items
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565 [1]
19:05:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-26-33
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: asir to owm 3560 [2]
19:05:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-30-21
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end [3]
19:05:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-49-57
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work [4]
19:05:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-51-48
19:05:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files [5]
19:05:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-03-54
19:06:26 <prasad> Jars needed are: diffmk.jar and resolver.jar
19:07:12 <maryann> what is the white paper?
19:07:20 <prasad> TOPIC: Chnage Log
19:07:31 <prasad> s/Chnage/Change/
19:07:52 <prasad> Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper
19:08:17 <maryann> how does relate to the action items of the editors?
19:08:44 <maryann> i thought the action item for the primer included addressing this?
19:08:58 <maryann> is there another action item from the working group that I missed?
19:09:18 <asir> Editors to convert Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper to spec format [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
19:09:18 <asir> STATUS - This is a BACKGROUND TASK (for Asir and Felix).
19:09:48 <maryann> ok thanks
19:10:41 <toufic> asir: did WG approve outline?
19:11:21 <asir> s/asir: did WG approve outline/ /
19:11:22 <maryann> yes i believe they did, at least we presented it on the call and there were comments but no objections
19:12:17 <maryann> so i'm not familiar with the W3C process.....is a white paper considered a specification? 
19:13:44 <maryann> is that a yes?
19:14:27 <maryann> sorry, i have to listen on this other call but I can type 
19:14:56 <plh> so the situation is as-is:
19:15:08 <plh> Maryann and Umit were tasked to do an outline, and they did
19:15:26 <plh> Felix and Asir were tasked to do the conversion, and they about done
19:15:40 <maryann> well i believe we had an action to create a primer, and the outline was the first step
19:15:45 <plh> behond that point, it's not clear how to proceed
19:16:02 <plh> s/hond/yond/
19:16:06 <maryann> did i misunderstand the scope of that action item too?  i'm still trying to learn the nuance of this process
19:16:32 <maryann> the action item text is not always as clear as it could be
19:16:54 <toufic> i would imagine that after the outline, comes the body of the document
19:17:15 <toufic> and the intent (if not the explicit instructions) is the incorporate the material from the white paper
19:17:25 <toufic> into the primer that maryann and umit are working on
19:17:30 <toufic> as they see fit
19:17:36 <toufic> is that reasonable?
19:17:37 <maryann> is there an action i should take to ensure that umit and I are understanding are role correctly? 
19:18:23 <maryann> s/are/our
19:19:10 <maryann> can't remember how to indicate the second instance of the substitution :-)
19:19:47 <toufic> plh: umit and maryann where tasked to produce an outline
19:19:53 <toufic> plh: next steps are up to the chairs
19:21:10 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:21:19 <prasad> rrsagent, please set these logs world-visible
19:21:23 <toufic> rrsagent, please generate minutes
19:21:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html toufic
19:22:52 <Zakim> -Plh
19:22:54 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
19:23:07 <prasad> Adjourned
19:23:09 <Zakim> -Toufic
19:23:10 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended
19:23:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Toufic, Prasad_Yendluri, Plh, DOrchard, maryann, [Microsoft]
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22:03:31 <plh> rrsagent, bye
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565 [1]
22:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-26-33
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: asir to owm 3560 [2]
22:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-30-21
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end [3]
22:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-49-57
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work [4]
22:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-51-48
22:03:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files [5]
22:03:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-03-54
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