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13:48:22 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
13:48:22 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM scheduled to start 48 minutes ago
13:49:15 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:49:19 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Jul/0018.html
13:49:24 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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13:52:26 <shadi__> agenda+ WCL URI matching
13:52:38 <shadi__> agenda+ Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft
13:58:52 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has now started
13:58:53 <Zakim> +Dialer
13:58:54 <Zakim> -Dialer
13:58:55 <Zakim> +Shadi
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14:00:17 <Zakim> +??P15
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14:01:36 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
14:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, ??P15
14:01:59 <shadi> zakim, ??p15 is really Johannes
14:01:59 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
14:07:00 <Zakim> +CarlosI
14:08:08 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "WCL URI matching" taken up [from shadi__]
14:08:45 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:09:26 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
14:09:32 <shadi> scribenick: shadi
14:10:00 <shadi> ci: WCL covers most our requirements, except for the snippets
14:10:12 <shadi> ...but we dicussed this already
14:10:13 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:10:48 <shadi> ci: the assumption is that all sub-domains are also part of a claim
14:10:53 <shadi> ...this may be an issue
14:11:18 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:11:46 <shadi> ci: it is not clear how sub-domains will be addressed (for example with regexp etc)
14:12:13 <shadi> ci: they also define several requirements that are more general than ours
14:13:06 <shadi> saz: "snippet" as in part of a web page/resource?
14:13:08 <shadi> ci: yes
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14:17:28 <shadi> saz: this is not a requirement for EARL but more a feedback for WCL?
14:17:38 <Zakim> +Jim_Ley
14:17:44 <shadi> jk: no a requirement for pattern matching
14:18:50 <shadi> resolution: send feedback to WCL that claims for snippets may be useful to consider
14:20:34 <shadi> saz: do they address "delivery units"?
14:21:11 <shadi> ci: no, only URI matching
14:21:42 <shadi> saz: how mature is this, is this something we should wait for?
14:23:31 <shadi> ci: is useful for more compact reports that do not contain all the detail on the relationships between the results
14:24:07 <shadi> saz: johannes, any opinions on how useful this is?
14:25:53 <shadi> jk: not sure if we should use just that for compacting purposes, but can see a use case and it may be useful
14:25:58 <shadi> saz: carlosV?
14:26:28 <shadi> cv: content labeling is different from testing
14:26:43 <shadi> ...they are not getting to the real meat of the problem
14:27:12 <shadi> ...maybe we should submit our comments rather than the other way around
14:27:17 <shadi> saz: jim?
14:27:44 <shadi> jl: no comments
14:31:20 <shadi> saz: do we need to add/change something in EARL 1.0 in order to use this, or can we continue developing EARL 1.0?
14:31:25 <shadi> ...do we need to wait?
14:32:05 <shadi> cv: don't think we should wait, especially considering our current resources
14:32:34 <shadi> jl: don't think we need this stuff, so maybe better develop EARL 1.0 and see how we can use it once it is ready
14:32:53 <JohannesK> ACK
14:33:25 <shadi> ci: continue EARL 1.0, and see what we can do with this at a later time
14:33:56 <shadi> ...it should not require radical changes to EARL 1.0
14:34:45 <shadi> resolution: continue to monitor the development of the WCL URI matching, and continue to develop EARL 1.0 in parallel
14:35:43 <shadi> saz: are they aware of the sub-domain ambiguity issue?
14:36:45 <shadi> ci: it is in the requirement to address sub-domains, but they are using RDF-CL which considers all sub-domains to be part of a domain
14:36:58 <shadi> ...they will need to change RDF-CL accordingly
14:37:22 <CarlosI> [http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/doc/content-labels-schema.htm#hostRestriction]
14:38:50 <shadi> resolution: send WCL feedback that sub-domains need to be addressed in a non-ambigious way for u to be able to use this work
14:40:43 <shadi> action: saz & ci work on response for WCL group
14:40:55 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:40:55 <Zakim> agendum 1, WCL URI matching, closed
14:40:56 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:40:58 <Zakim> 2. Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft [from shadi__]
14:41:03 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:41:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft" taken up [from shadi__]
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14:44:36 <shadi> scribe: Jim
14:44:45 <shadi> scribenick: JibberJim
14:45:48 <JibberJim> SAZ: Section 4 on conformance is new, need to look in more detail, it's important: Question Section 3 - should it really be in the guide
14:46:12 <JibberJim> CI: I agree it should be in the guide
14:47:43 <JibberJim> CV: It's in the guide.
14:48:02 <JibberJim> SAZ: Is there anything normative we need to say about extensibility?
14:48:10 <JibberJim> CV: It's RDF
14:48:49 <JibberJim> JK: Something would be good, but mostly in the guide
14:49:04 <JibberJim> SAZ: Maybe something in the intro? to point at the RDF Primer
14:49:30 <JibberJim> SAZ: I don't think it needs its own section
14:49:35 <JibberJim> JL: Agrees with everything above
14:50:04 <shadi> resolution: move "extensions" section to EARL 1.0 Guide, and add a line or two about exentsibility in the "introduction"
14:52:26 <shadi> direction for reading this draft effectively:
14:52:31 <shadi> 1. skip section 1
14:52:40 <shadi> 2. read over section 2
14:52:55 <shadi> 3. look carefully at section 4 and appnedix A
14:53:05 <shadi> 4. read over appendix B
14:53:15 <shadi> 5. rince and repeat
14:56:04 <JibberJim> sorry!
14:56:53 <JibberJim> CI: Recalls open issue on testClasses and requirements - things you can pass or fail
14:57:25 <JibberJim> JK: CI was right, chaals has the AI
14:57:27 <CarlosI> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/28-er-minutes
14:58:07 <JibberJim> SAZ: I'll check up, and we need to resolve before last call
14:59:18 <JibberJim> ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue
14:59:32 <JibberJim> ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft
14:59:38 <shadi> action: everyone read latest EARL draft for next week
14:59:54 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:59:57 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:00:01 <shadi> rrsagent, drop action 4
15:00:09 <Zakim> -CarlosI
15:00:22 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
15:00:28 <Zakim> -Jim_Ley
15:00:32 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has ended
15:00:34 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:00:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Dialer, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Jim_Ley
15:00:44 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:00:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-minutes.html shadi
15:00:50 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:00:55 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-actions.rdf :
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz & ci work on response for WCL group [1]
15:00:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-40-43
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue [2]
15:00:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-59-18
15:00:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft [3]
15:00:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-59-32