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13:54:04 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:54:04 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:12 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:54:18 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:54:27 <shadi> regrets: David
13:54:36 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006May/0031.html
13:54:49 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?
13:54:57 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG 2.0: blanket statements
13:55:09 <shadi> agenda+ Continuing WCAG 2.0 review
13:55:21 <shadi> agenda+ URI-in-RDF vs single URI
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13:57:13 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:59:27 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:01:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:05 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:02:05 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
14:02:41 <Zakim> +CarlosI
14:03:46 <ChrisR> zakim, scribe ChrisR
14:03:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe ChrisR', ChrisR
14:04:00 <ChrisR> scribe: ChrisR
14:05:34 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?" taken up [from shadi]
14:08:37 <ChrisR> SAZ: model of WCAG2 under discussion with regard with EARL
14:09:02 <ChrisR> CR: tests are 'sufficient'  not 'required' so not sure how this will impact on EARL
14:09:33 <ChrisR> SAZ: there is a heirarchy with guideline, SC and techniques/tests
14:10:40 <ChrisR> SAZ: what about test case language needed in addition to EARL?
14:12:49 <ChrisR> JK: relationships between test requirements and actual tests need to be described - EARL or something else
14:13:34 <ChrisR> SAZ: at last FTF we decided that we wanted to keep test description language seperate from EARL
14:13:59 <ChrisR> SAZ: should not make EARL specific to WCAG2, must keep open
14:16:02 <ChrisR> JK: EARL reports just say pass/fail, not a relationship between tests and guidelines
14:17:42 <shadi> Resolution: relationships between tests and success criteria are not to be modelled in EARL but in a test case description language
14:18:10 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:18:10 <Zakim> agendum 1, WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?, closed
14:18:12 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:18:13 <Zakim> 2. WCAG 2.0: blanket statements [from shadi]
14:18:16 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:18:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG 2.0: blanket statements" taken up [from shadi]
14:20:43 <ChrisR> CI: key question is blanket statements - allow or not?
14:22:04 <ChrisR> CI: conformance claim is a result of blanket statements
14:22:28 <ChrisR> SAZ: advantage is more compact EARL reports, disadvantage is less precision
14:23:11 <ChrisR> CI: blanket statements are more useful, just level of detail that you need.
14:24:03 <ChrisR> JK: is need of compact reports requirement of EARL?
14:24:27 <ChrisR> CI: More detail is useful for some people, not all
14:25:32 <ChrisR> SAZ: EARL is really for machines, not people (exchanging info between tools)
14:27:48 <ChrisR> (discussion of how EARL used by project managers, web services etc.)
14:40:04 <ChrisR> CI: people who work in validation need to specify entire domains and subdomains
14:42:27 <JohannesK> I think the only thing you can really do is something like http://*example.org/*
14:43:42 <JohannesK> or http://www.example.org/foo*
14:44:34 <JohannesK> some CMSes create URLs like http://www.example.org/?id=938658
14:54:38 <shadi> action: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples)
14:56:15 <shadi> action: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language
14:56:25 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:56:25 <Zakim> agendum 2, WCAG 2.0: blanket statements, closed
14:56:26 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:56:28 <Zakim> 3. Continuing WCAG 2.0 review [from shadi]
14:56:30 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:56:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Continuing WCAG 2.0 review" taken up [from shadi]
14:57:43 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/conformance
14:57:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/baseline/
14:58:05 <Zakim> -Chris
14:58:06 <ChrisR> ChrisR has left #er
14:58:43 <shadi> action: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list
15:01:28 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
15:01:31 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:01:56 <shadi> next meeting: 17 May
15:02:10 <shadi> zakim, drop carlos
15:02:10 <Zakim> CarlosI is being disconnected
15:02:12 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:02:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Chris, CarlosI
15:02:18 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:02:24 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:02:30 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-minutes.html shadi
15:02:33 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:02:37 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-actions.rdf :
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples) [1]
15:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-54-38
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language [2]
15:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-56-15
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list [3]
15:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-58-43