IRC log of rif on 2006-04-25

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14:45:51 [sandro]
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zakim, what is the code?
14:46:07 [Zakim]
the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), sandro
14:46:20 [sandro]
rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:20 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/25-rif-minutes.html sandro
14:46:33 [sandro]
rrsagent, make record public
14:49:37 [Harold]
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14:52:31 [sandro]
Hello, Francois.
14:53:50 [Zakim]
SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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+??P2
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+MoZ
14:55:24 [MoZ]
Zakim, who is on the phone ?
14:55:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P2, MoZ
14:55:31 [Zakim]
+??P19
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+Philippe_Bonnard (was ??P19)
14:55:45 [PhilippeB]
Zakim, mute me
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Philippe_Bonnard should now be muted
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+Sandro
14:56:12 [Francois]
sandro, hello sandro.
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+[IBM]
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+Leora_Morgenstern
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14:57:19 [ChrisW]
zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
14:57:19 [Zakim]
+ChrisW; got it
14:57:31 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:57:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois, MoZ, Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern
14:57:33 [MichaelKifer]
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14:57:34 [LeoraMorgenstern]
zakim, mute me
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Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
14:57:46 [MoZ]
Zakim: mute me
14:57:51 [Zakim]
+Hassan_Ait-Kaci
14:58:02 [MoZ]
Zakim, mute me
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MoZ should now be muted
14:58:32 [Deborah_Nichols]
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+Michael_Kifer
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+[NRCC]
14:58:50 [Francois]
zakim mute me
14:59:03 [Zakim]
+Deborah_Nichols
14:59:06 [Harold]
zakim, [NRCC] is me
14:59:06 [Zakim]
+Harold; got it
14:59:22 [Zakim]
+PaulaP
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+Allen_Ginsberg
14:59:35 [Allen]
zakim, mute me
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Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
14:59:38 [ChrisW]
scribenick: MichaelKifer
14:59:46 [Francois]
zakim, mute me.
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Francois should now be muted
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+Jos_de_Bruijn
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+Dave_Reynolds (was Guest P28 74394)
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+Dave_Reynolds
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+[IPcaller]
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+[IPcaller]
15:01:37 [MoZ]
Zakim, who is making noise?
15:01:41 [AxelPolleres]
zakim, IPcaller is me
15:01:42 [Zakim]
+AxelPolleres; got it
15:01:47 [Zakim]
MoZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (10%)
15:01:49 [AxelPolleres]
Zakim, mute me
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AxelPolleres should now be muted
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+??P33
15:02:24 [pfps]
zakim, ??p33 is pfps
15:02:24 [Zakim]
+pfps; got it
15:02:36 [Uli]
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+David_Hirtle
15:03:02 [ChrisW]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/att-0093/rif-scriberei.html
15:03:42 [MichaelKifer]
April 11 minutes have been accepted as true record
15:03:45 [ChrisW]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/att-0054/18-rif-minutes.html
15:03:53 [Zakim]
+??P38
15:04:06 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois (muted), MoZ (muted), Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Michael_Kifer, Harold,
15:04:10 [PhilippeB]
zakim,nmute me
15:04:10 [Zakim]
... Deborah_Nichols (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), josb (muted), Dave_Reynolds (muted), MarkusK (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), pfps, DavidHirtle (muted), ??P38
15:04:16 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'nmute me', PhilippeB
15:04:18 [PhilippeB]
zakim, unmute me
15:04:20 [Zakim]
Philippe_Bonnard should no longer be muted
15:04:42 [sandro]
zakim, who is talking?
15:04:53 [Zakim]
sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Philippe_Bonnard (67%)
15:05:00 [sandro]
zakim, who is talking?
15:05:11 [Zakim]
sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Philippe_Bonnard (61%), ChrisW (29%)
15:05:16 [MichaelKifer]
Minutes for April 18 need to be edited futher by Philippe_Bonnard
15:05:18 [ChrisW]
ACTION: PhillipeB to clean up minutes from April 18
15:05:37 [Allen]
there is an echo
15:05:49 [PhilippeB]
Zakim, mute me
15:05:51 [Uli]
zakim, P38 may be me
15:05:52 [Zakim]
Philippe_Bonnard should now be muted
15:05:56 [Zakim]
sorry, Uli, I do not understand your question
15:06:27 [Uli]
zakim, ??P38 is probably Uli
15:06:27 [Zakim]
+Uli?; got it
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q+
15:07:54 [sandro]
[DONE] ACTION: Sandro to set up registration page for F2F3
15:08:09 [sandro]
[DONE] ACTION: Public membership list needs to be extended to include Alex
15:08:12 [AxelPolleres]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/38457/f2f3reg/
15:08:27 [sandro]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/38457/f2f3reg/
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+Jos_De_Roo
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+Mala_Mehrotra
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+Christian
15:10:52 [csma]
zakim, Christian is me
15:10:52 [Zakim]
+csma; got it
15:11:05 [JosDeRoo]
zakim, mute me
15:11:05 [Zakim]
Jos_De_Roo should now be muted
15:11:19 [MichaelKifer]
ppl should register to attend the F2F3 and to get transportation
15:12:58 [Allen]
yes
15:12:58 [csma]
ACTION: Paula to check on phone-call-in capability, and if we'll have a speaker phone, and network at f2f3? [DONE]
15:12:59 [MichaelKifer]
sandro will set up a straw poll to decide the location/time of F2F4
15:13:23 [csma]
ok
15:13:43 [JosDeRoo]
zakim. unmute me
15:13:45 [csma]
ACTION: Sandro set up straw-poll on F2F4 (MITRE - 3 different dates - and Peter/ISWC) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUED]
15:13:54 [csma]
ack josdero
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15:14:26 [Francois]
zakim, who is speaking.
15:14:26 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is speaking', Francois
15:14:38 [ChrisW]
jos de roo is speaking
15:14:58 [csma]
zakim, unmute me
15:14:58 [Zakim]
csma should no longer be muted
15:15:19 [MichaelKifer]
ChrisW: Need a liason to SPARQL. Leave Enrico as the liason
15:16:48 [sandro]
Haley
15:16:49 [csma]
Haley
15:17:09 [Zakim]
+JeffP
15:17:27 [csma]
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060418005368&newsLang=en
15:17:44 [Hassan]
http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research/?pid=E64311AB-B294-4F5A-A355-22EA0C08EA0A
15:17:45 [MichaelKifer]
csma: nothing new as far as PRR, but Haley has released a new production language HRML (Haley Rule Markup Language)
15:18:35 [Zakim]
+Gary_Hallmark
15:18:53 [Hassan]
http://xml.coverpages.org/ORMML-coopis02.pdf
15:20:09 [Hassan]
http://www.haley.com/0422488215392258/newsevents/PressRelease_JSR94_Release_Final_200604.html
15:20:53 [LeoraMorgenstern]
zakim, unmute me
15:20:53 [Zakim]
Leora_Morgenstern should no longer be muted
15:21:00 [LeoraMorgenstern]
q+
15:21:08 [PaulaP]
q-
15:21:16 [MichaelKifer]
csma: no news as far as SBVR, ODM are concerned. Maybe a new co-chair.
15:21:17 [csma]
ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:18 [csma]
See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html
15:21:24 [LeoraMorgenstern]
zakim, mute me
15:21:24 [Zakim]
Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
15:21:24 [csma]
ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:25 [csma]
See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html
15:21:34 [csma]
ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:35 [csma]
See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html
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15:22:26 [csma]
ACTION: Leora to set up draft proposal on what we mean by FOL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUED]
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ACTION: Leora to Write up CSF for FOL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action03]
15:22:42 [csma]
[CONTINUED]
15:23:02 [ChrisW]
[DONE] ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:23:10 [csma]
ACTION: Sandro and Igor to find a name+definition for the
15:23:11 [csma]
"pure prolog" requirement that does not mention "pure prolog" [recorded
15:23:11 [csma]
in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/11-rif-minutes.html#action10]
15:23:16 [csma]
[CONTINUED]
15:23:26 [ChrisW]
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/2006-04-25_Meeting
15:25:03 [csma]
ACTION: Sandro to discuss on email whether the "pure prolog" requirement can be replaced by a "horn logic" requirement or if we need both [CONTINUED]
15:25:41 [ChrisW]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Frank will produce an initial diagram with existing constraints
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15:25:50 [csma]
ACTION: Frank will produce an initial diagram with existing constraints [DROPPED]
15:26:16 [csma]
ACTION: sandro to clarify meaning of sound and what is the requirement on RIF [CONTINUED]
15:26:33 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:26:34 [csma]
ACTION: Sandro to clarify whether sound reasoning constraint with unknown dialects is a requirement or a critical success factor [CONTINUED]
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+[IPcaller]
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15:30:13 [ChrisW]
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/RIF_must_define_for_all_RIF_elements_a_default_behaviour_for_compliant_applications_that_do_not_know_how_to_process_it
15:31:41 [MichaelKifer]
Chris: requirement that RIF must be able to pass on pieces of XML that it dosnt understand.
15:33:36 [pfps]
q+
15:33:54 [StanDevitt]
How does this differ from having a default behavior for compliant applications that do understand how to do it?
15:34:13 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:35:06 [johnhall]
zakim, IPcaller is me
15:35:06 [Zakim]
+johnhall; got it
15:35:13 [johnhall]
zakim, mute me
15:35:13 [Zakim]
johnhall should now be muted
15:35:22 [MichaelKifer]
csma: RIF should be able to <em>describe</em> what to do with pieces that it does not understand
15:35:33 [LeoraMorgenstern]
no,
15:35:34 [csma]
ack leora
15:35:35 [ChrisW]
q?
15:35:38 [LeoraMorgenstern]
that was just leftover
15:35:43 [ChrisW]
ack leora
15:35:47 [ChrisW]
ack pfps
15:35:52 [csma]
ack pfps
15:35:54 [LeoraMorgenstern]
zakim, mute me
15:35:54 [Zakim]
Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
15:35:57 [Zakim]
-StanDevitt
15:36:30 [MichaelKifer]
pfps: [to csma] should every rule set come with a spec of the default action?
15:37:15 [Hassan]
q+
15:37:35 [PaulV]
[procedural item] looks like Zakim cannot handle >1 IPCaller :) - I see myself, StanDevitt and John Hall registering IPCaller
15:38:04 [Uli]
q+
15:38:20 [ChrisW]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:38:20 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Francois (muted), MoZ (muted), Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Michael_Kifer, Harold, Deborah_Nichols
15:38:24 [Zakim]
... (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), josb (muted), Dave_Reynolds (muted), MarkusK (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), pfps, DavidHirtle (muted), Uli? (muted), Jos_De_Roo
15:38:27 [Zakim]
... (muted), Mala_Mehrotra, csma, JeffP, Gary_Hallmark, PaulV, johnhall (muted)
15:38:46 [ChrisW]
looks ok to me
15:39:07 [ChrisW]
q?
15:39:16 [MichaelKifer]
csma: the producer should be able to state what should RIF do with unsupported features (eg, ignore them)
15:39:47 [ChrisW]
ack hassan
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15:41:34 [MichaelKifer]
Hasan: These actions must be tied into the semantics
15:42:17 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:42:45 [MichaelKifer]
Hasan: should look closer at the RIF condition language proposal in conjunction with csma's requirement
15:43:50 [MichaelKifer]
csms: believes that handling unknown features can be done independent of any semantics
15:44:13 [Uli]
we are just having a fire alarm warning, so might have to run off and leave the building
15:44:21 [GaryHallmark]
q+
15:45:18 [ChrisW]
ack uli
15:45:39 [MichaelKifer]
Hasan: csms's requirement is supported by the RIF condition language proposal
15:46:40 [Hassan]
q+
15:46:47 [Hassan]
q-
15:47:21 [PaulaP]
+1 to Chris' comment on the independence requirements - architecture
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q+
15:50:42 [MichaelKifer]
csma: the consumer should be able to decide if parts of the ruleset are not understood; but csma agrees that this may be too simplistic
15:52:23 [ChrisW]
q?
15:52:35 [Zakim]
-Philippe_Bonnard
15:52:35 [csma]
ACTION: csma to modify compliance reqs to make it more like a req
15:52:51 [MichaelKifer]
ACTION: csma will modify the requirement to clarify it
15:55:06 [ChrisW]
ack gary
15:55:31 [ChrisW]
rrsagent, drop item 15
15:55:31 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'drop item 15', ChrisW. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:56:44 [Uli]
q+
15:58:27 [ChrisW]
rrsagent, drop action 15
15:58:49 [ChrisW]
zakim, ack paula
15:58:49 [Zakim]
I see Uli on the speaker queue
16:00:42 [StanDevitt]
What I am hearing is that the producer may "prefer" that priorty be used if present, but that it is not necessary.
16:00:49 [StanDevitt]
#rif
16:00:57 [GaryHallmark]
Gary: can all the burden be on the translator and keep the RIF clean?
16:01:25 [MichaelKifer]
csma: an example of a use of my requirement is rules with certainty factors; these maybe omitted if these factors do not affect the semantics [editor's note: this is rarely the case]
16:01:26 [ChrisW]
ack uli
16:01:42 [GaryHallmark]
Gary: for example, instead of tagging priority as optional, just don't use priority in rulesets for maximum interoperability
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16:02:51 [StanDevitt]
What I am hearing is that the author can specify a priority list of interpretations.
16:02:58 [Hassan]
Chris: you are describing a taxonmy of semantics
16:03:20 [MichaelKifer]
Priorities among rules do affect the semantics in most cases -- this is like the case statement
16:03:28 [StanDevitt]
e.g. Use priority if it is available, but otherwise use non-prioirty.
16:03:34 [ChrisW]
the "RIF RAF" was supposed to be doing that
16:03:35 [Hassan]
The taxonomy is the basis that may be extended - this what Uli is saying as well
16:03:43 [ChrisW]
yes, i think so
16:04:11 [Hassan]
+1 to what Uli is saying!!!
16:04:31 [ChrisW]
so a lattice instead of a hierarchy
16:05:13 [StanDevitt]
The analogy is like a list of fonts to choose from in CSS - the author having preferences, but being happy with any choice.
16:05:17 [Hassan]
any partial order may be extended to a boolean lattice using disjunctions
16:06:15 [MichaelKifer]
Uli: the extensibility mechanism should be handled at the level of taxonomies of dialects (similar point as Hasan's)
16:08:10 [ChrisW]
q?
16:08:31 [csma]
ACTION:csma to clarify use of terms like 'consumer', producer, translator etc
16:08:36 [ChrisW]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0068.html
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16:09:51 [MichaelKifer]
Discussion of the extensibility mechanism based on the "RIF Condition Language"
16:10:12 [Uli]
Michael: I agree that we can have such a "seed" mechanism, but then this could be even extended, according to the needs
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16:14:44 [Zakim]
+csma.a
16:15:04 [Uli]
q+
16:17:50 [ChrisW]
ack uli
16:18:12 [Zakim]
-csma
16:20:53 [josb]
+1 to Harold: we need to cater for different ways of integration with ontologies
16:21:07 [MichaelKifer]
Harold gave an overview of the approach based on conditions
16:21:13 [StanDevitt]
q+
16:21:57 [pfps]
q+
16:22:11 [Hassan]
What is the paper's reference mentioned by Michael? Pointers?
16:22:18 [MichaelKifer]
csma: how do we access Java objects, not just ontologies?
16:23:15 [DaveReynolds]
q+
16:23:20 [ChrisW]
ack stan
16:23:49 [MoZ]
Harold, 'Forall' is used but not defined, have I miss something ?
16:23:57 [sandro]
+1 ! thanks to Harold & Michael and whoever else worked on this
16:24:40 [MichaelKifer]
Hasan, this is a paper, which will appear in KR2006. He sent me a private copy. I can ask him if I can share this or u can ask him for a copy: rosati at dis.uniroma1.it
16:25:36 [ChrisW]
The KR papers will be available on the web in a few days
16:26:03 [Hassan]
Thanks Michael - I will ask him.
16:26:58 [MoZ]
for extensibility we can define <operation name="Exists"..> instead of <Exists>
16:28:00 [MichaelKifer]
StanDevitt: adding features to a language interferes with extensibility because this requires that we change XML Schema
16:28:11 [DavidHirtle]
MoZ, the basis is Horn -- universal quantification (Forall) is referred to as a later extension
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16:28:32 [MoZ]
DavidHirtle, thanks
16:28:46 [ChrisW]
q?
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16:29:04 [MichaelKifer]
Harold, csma, others: the schema extensibility issue can be solved by inheritance or substitution groups
16:29:13 [ChrisW]
ack pfps
16:30:00 [Hassan]
+1 with Peter - I think
16:30:02 [Zakim]
-Francois
16:30:06 [DaveReynolds]
ack me
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16:31:01 [josb]
+1 with Peter: some (extended) languages might have unnamed individuals, especially when considering extension to FOL
16:31:21 [MichaelKifer]
pfps: concern that the semantics of "RIF Cond Lang" is based on binding variables to named objects -- this is not a general model-theoretic semantics
16:31:23 [Hassan]
Substitutions are just constraints over Herbrands Trees
16:32:17 [MichaelKifer]
Discussion of the F2F4 straw poll
16:33:34 [MichaelKifer]
sandro: why should the poll count individual rather than individuals? Because we want organizations to be represented, not just individuals
16:33:43 [Zakim]
-Harold
16:33:45 [PaulV]
bye
16:33:47 [Uli]
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16:33:58 [MichaelKifer]
end-of-meeting
16:33:59 [Zakim]
-Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:34:01 [Zakim]
-josb
16:34:01 [Zakim]
-PaulV
16:34:01 [PaulaP]
bye
16:34:02 [Zakim]
-Deborah_Nichols
16:34:03 [Zakim]
-Jos_De_Roo
16:34:04 [Zakim]
-Gary_Hallmark
16:34:04 [JeffP]
bye
16:34:05 [Zakim]
-johnhall
16:34:06 [Zakim]
-Dave_Reynolds
16:34:08 [Zakim]
-PaulaP
16:34:10 [sandro]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:34:10 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/25-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:34:13 [Zakim]
-MoZ
16:34:15 [Zakim]
-JeffP
16:34:16 [Zakim]
-Leora_Morgenstern
16:34:18 [Zakim]
-Allen_Ginsberg
16:34:19 [StanDevitt]
bye
16:34:23 [Zakim]
-DavidHirtle
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-AxelPolleres
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-StanDevitt
16:34:57 [MalaMehrotra]
bye
16:35:12 [Zakim]
-Mala_Mehrotra
16:35:43 [Zakim]
-Uli?
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-Michael_Kifer
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-MarkusK
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-pfps
16:36:02 [csma]
zakim, who is bon the call?
16:36:02 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, csma.
16:36:16 [csma]
zakim, who is on the call?
16:36:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma.a
16:39:20 [Zakim]
-Sandro
16:39:22 [Zakim]
-ChrisW
16:39:24 [Zakim]
-csma.a
16:39:25 [Zakim]
SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were MoZ, Philippe_Bonnard, Francois, Sandro, Leora_Morgenstern, ChrisW, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Michael_Kifer, Deborah_Nichols, Harold, PaulaP, Allen_Ginsberg, Dave_Reynolds,
16:39:31 [Zakim]
... josb, MarkusK, AxelPolleres, pfps, DavidHirtle, Uli?, Jos_De_Roo, Mala_Mehrotra, csma, JeffP, Gary_Hallmark, PaulV, StanDevitt, johnhall
17:01:20 [Harold]
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