17:23:45 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:23:45 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/04/20-ua-irc 17:24:19 zakim, this will be WAI_UA 17:24:19 ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 36 minutes 17:31:47 agenda+ review outstanding action items: 17:33:08 agenda+Review UAAG - WCAG correlation table. We need to be sure we have a P1 17:33:09 UAAG checkpoint for each WCAG Level 1 Success Criteria http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/wcag2.htm 17:33:27 agenda+Review UAAG references/dependencies on WCAG 1.0 17:33:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/0010.html 17:37:08 meeting: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 20 April 2006 17:37:46 Chair: Jim Allan 17:40:52 agenda: Mobile Web Best Practices Last Call (comments by May 3) 17:40:52 http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ 17:41:06 agenda+ Mobile Web Best Practices Last Call (comments by May 3) 17:41:07 http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ 17:44:47 agenda+ WebAPI - Latest Working Draft of DOM3 Events: 17:44:47 http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/ Discussion on discovery of event listeners (related to UAAG requirements) 17:44:47 .. beginning in March 17:44:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006Mar/thread.html#msg312 and .. continuing in April 17:44:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2006Apr/thread.html#msg212 17:59:09 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:59:16 +Jim_Allan 18:01:54 +[IBM] 18:02:29 cklaws has joined #ua 18:02:31 JR has joined #ua 18:03:15 +Jan_Richards 18:04:21 Scribe: JR 18:04:39 Meeting: WAI UA 18:05:33 zakim, agenda? 18:05:33 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 18:05:34 1. review outstanding action items: [from jallan] 18:05:36 2. Review UAAG - WCAG correlation table. We need to be sure we have a P1 [from jallan] 18:05:37 3. Review UAAG references/dependencies on WCAG 1.0 [from jallan] 18:05:38 4. Mobile Web Best Practices Last Call (comments by May 3) [from jallan] 18:05:39 5. WebAPI - Latest Working Draft of DOM3 Events: [from jallan] 18:06:46 cklaws has joined #ua 18:07:10 Zakim, take up agendum 1 18:07:10 agendum 1. "review outstanding action items:" taken up [from jallan] 18:08:24 CL: Becky Gibson is the accessibility expert on WebAPI at IBM. 18:08:37 CL: She does DHTML techniques for WCAG 18:09:05 CL: She also did DHTML demo that Rich shows - spreadsheet, etc 18:11:34 Zakim, take up agendum 2 18:11:34 agendum 2. "Review UAAG - WCAG correlation table. We need to be sure we have a P1" taken up [from jallan] 18:12:57 CL: CL went through looking for additrional correlations and making comments on ones that JA had identified. 18:13:35 CL: In some case pointed at things that UAAG could add... 18:13:52 CL: WCAG goes pretty specific sometimes- contrast ratios etc. 18:14:53 JA: What do mean adding? 18:15:05 CL: Maybe to techs so we don't have to open guidelines. 18:15:50 CL: We also have some other things that are different. 18:16:04 JA: Do you see some things that are totally missed? 18:16:20 CL: We usually cover at least part of everything. 18:16:51 CL: i.e. under volume control we don't say ability to control background vs. foreground sound volume 18:17:09 JA: It was discussed but eventually not put in UAAG 18:20:31 JA: In UA - user should be able to control different sources independently e.g. by a mixer 18:23:21 JR: Points out that UAAG 4.8 may replace 1.4.2... 18:23:46 CL: But UAAG doesn't separate background fromforeground. 18:24:38 JA: Then their 1.4.4 seems to apply also to one source 18:25:41 CL: UA just says allow different sources to be controlled - so we should be ok. 18:25:52 JA: Other stuff? 18:26:10 CL: Some more stuff to add - like contrast rations perhaps to techs 18:28:33 JR: Backs up CL that some stuff in just a "bonus" 18:30:30 JR: Points out that "1.2.6 Extended audio descriptions of video are provided for prerecorded multimedia. " may need additional UAAG suppport 18:31:45 CL: This could be a UAAG tech: "doing more" type thing 18:32:51 SMIL may be moving towars some support 18:33:28 action JA: Incorporate CL's stuff into table and balance JR's ideas. 18:34:54 JR: Chaals talked about relaxing content requirements. in correlation: 3 modes - replaces or supercedes WCAG requirements, 2- supports WCAG, 3 Bonus for WCAG 18:35:34 JA: Was concerned with language - replaced. 18:37:03 CL: do all UA's have to have the feature in order to use some content 18:37:47 JR: if you can make assumption that a particular browser or set of browsers have this feature then can use it. 18:38:13 CL: many times it is a UA with an assitive technology 18:38:50 CL: claimant may claim conformance but actual functionality may not exist 18:42:47 JR: WCAG 2.3.1 Content does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold. 18:43:11 and in UAAG 3.2 Toggle audio, video, animated images (P1) may replace WCAG. 18:43:36 CL: it depends on how the blinking flashing is implemented. 18:44:26 JA: gif animation, then ESC in browser will stop it, but if its javascript or flash-tm then browser can't turn it off 18:45:12 CL: if userageent cannot control the flashing then content creator must take into concideration. 18:45:46 CL: Has looked into responsibility split between author and ua... 18:45:49 CL: whose responsibility is it to handle things - Author or Agent 18:45:52 in most cases its shared.... 18:46:44 CL: Millions of content authors who all care about their own sites, but only a few ua developers who can't try every site 18:47:21 JA: Maybe we can add extra verbiage around what JR labewlled as "replace" 18:47:55 JA: Some things the UA MUST have in place.... 18:48:18 JA: Other things like flashing are shared responsbility but UA can't do on own. 18:49:57 author know specifically what they are trying to do, and are testing against guidelines and specific tools. Useragent and assitive technology can only address controls and features in a general way 18:50:59 CL: Just like ability to control audio sources, but not combined sources 18:51:43 JA: Maybe "Support" items must be in place... 18:52:32 JA: then other things "share", other things "extend" 18:52:44 JR: said that 18:52:46 JR: support - must have UAAG compliant brower to display content 18:53:23 JR: shared - shared functionality between content author and user agent functionality 18:53:54 JA: May take a week or 2 to finish this doc - will be the basis of our comments to wcag 18:54:49 CL: so would this go into their "baseline" language 18:54:55 JA: Yes think so 18:59:32 JA: JA let's work in parallel 18:59:51 -[IBM] 18:59:54 -Jan_Richards 18:59:55 -Jim_Allan 18:59:57 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 18:59:58 Attendees were Jim_Allan, [IBM], Jan_Richards 19:00:11 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:00:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/20-ua-minutes.html JR 19:00:19 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 19:01:19 Zakim, bye 19:01:20 Zakim has left #ua 19:01:26 RRSAgent, bye 19:01:26 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/20-ua-actions.rdf : 19:01:26 ACTION: JA to Incorporate CL's stuff into table and balance JR's ideas. 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