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13:52:28 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:52:28 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
13:52:55 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:53:00 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Apr/0008.html
13:53:06 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:53:20 <shadi> agenda+ Review of action items
13:53:28 <shadi> agenda+ EARL pointers proposal by Jim
13:53:38 <shadi> agenda+ URI-in-RDF request by CarlosV
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13:57:22 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:01:17 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:01:17 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
14:01:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:47 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really David
14:01:47 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:02:19 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aaaa
14:02:35 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI
14:02:35 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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14:04:57 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Nick
14:04:57 <Zakim> +Nick; got it
14:05:18 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum
14:05:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up agendum', shadi
14:05:23 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items" taken up [from shadi]
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14:07:18 <JibberJim> Hi people, sorry I have no phone available :-(  there's insufficient internet here for my voip
14:07:24 <ChrisR> action item 1 - Shadi and Charlos todo
14:08:06 <ChrisR> item 1 - Carlos will post by next Monday (RDF-CL in EARL)
14:08:19 <ChrisR> test
14:08:42 <shadi> jim, we are looking at open action items
14:08:48 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Apr/0001
14:09:12 <shadi> i beliebe your 1st action item is partially closed, right?
14:09:26 <shadi> and your second one, you need to repind the annotea folks
14:10:07 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:10:07 <Zakim> agendum 1, Review of action items, closed
14:10:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:10:09 <Zakim> 2. EARL pointers proposal by Jim [from shadi]
14:10:12 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:10:13 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EARL pointers proposal by Jim" taken up [from shadi]
14:10:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Mar/0003
14:10:38 <JibberJim> yes, I need a little finishing up on the 1st, if everyone is happy with what I posted, and the 2nd yes I need to chase the annotea folk again
14:12:30 <niq> also for the minutes: The proposal makes a lot of sense as far as it goes, but that's just a first reaction
14:13:51 <ChrisR> JK - content needs to be converted to text. Need another field that that describes encoding.
14:14:05 <shadi> s/field/property
14:14:43 <JibberJim> Do you mean the original encoding?  would this not come from the HTTP vocab?
14:15:10 <JibberJim> the encoding in snippets would be in the encoding of the RDF file - ie it could be transcoded from the original
14:15:29 <niq> c.f. my comment on encoding wrt HTTP-in-RDF from last night (EU time)
14:16:02 <JohannesK> Jim: if you have e.g. images/PDFs you only have bytes not characters, but you need to transform these bytes into text (e.g. with Base64) because EARL is a text format
14:17:45 <ChrisR> NIQ no need to record info that is already in HTTP info
14:17:46 <shadi> jim, is it ok to give you an action item to clean up the proposal and provide RDFS that can be plugged into the schema document?
14:19:28 <JibberJim> ah, JK I wasn't considering the snippet etc. methods would work for non text content
14:19:36 <JibberJim> yes shadi it's fine
14:19:42 <shadi> action: jim to clean up the proposal and provide RDFS that can be plugged into the schema document
14:21:26 <ChrisR> SZ - wonders if we should use something like byte offest length?
14:22:24 <ChrisR> JK - doesn't make sense to mix. Should be char offset.
14:23:02 <ChrisR> NIQ - simple tools use byte offsets easier.
14:23:39 <ChrisR> SZ - problem with unicode (chars can use more that one byte)
14:26:51 <ChrisR> SZ - some times bytes instead of chars makes sense
14:27:45 <ChrisR> action: JK to send comment to list
14:28:08 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:28:08 <Zakim> agendum 2, EARL pointers proposal by Jim, closed
14:28:09 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:28:13 <Zakim> 3. URI-in-RDF request by CarlosV [from shadi]
14:28:16 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:28:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "URI-in-RDF request by CarlosV" taken up [from shadi]
14:28:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Mar/0021
14:30:03 <ChrisR> SZ - we should be cautious about encoding everything in RDF.
14:30:46 <ChrisR> JK - was CarlosV's idea and he had use cases in mind but I don't know what they are.
14:31:21 <ChrisR> JK - If don't want to use it in EARL should not be required.
14:31:45 <shadi> present: +CarlosV
14:33:48 <ChrisR> SZ - URI is important for EARL so needs to be properties
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14:36:03 <ChrisR> SZ - many items can be put in URI so what is benefit of seperating out?
14:36:45 <ChrisR> CV - consistency
14:37:03 <ChrisR> SZ - What is problem with EARL URI?
14:38:42 <Zakim> -David
14:39:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:39:41 <ChrisR> SZ - there are minor drawbacks so we need a solid use case
14:42:39 <ChrisR> SZ - more efficient to record just header info and not content
14:43:15 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:43:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:45:25 <ChrisR> CV - would like a single property/class to describe, currently have too many things
14:45:57 <ChrisR> JK - need use cases to describe where split is necessary, else use single property
14:46:04 <ChrisR> SZ - good suggestion
14:48:58 <Zakim> -Nick
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14:50:11 <niq> Zakim: [IPcaller.a] is really me
14:50:19 <ChrisR> action: CV will document and elaborate benefits/drawbacks to using single/multipe properties
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14:51:58 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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14:52:35 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:52:42 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-minutes.html shadi
14:53:00 <shadi> zakim, whos 
14:53:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whos', shadi
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14:53:08 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:53:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see CarlosI
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14:53:21 <shadi> zakim, drop carlosi
14:53:21 <Zakim> CarlosI is being disconnected
14:53:23 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:53:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi, Chris, David, +34.98.439.aaaa, CarlosI, Nick, [IPcaller]
14:53:29 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:53:34 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:53:44 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:53:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-minutes.html shadi
14:53:52 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:53:52 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-actions.rdf :
14:53:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to clean up the proposal and provide RDFS that can be plugged into the schema document [1]
14:53:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-irc#T14-19-42
14:53:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK to send comment to list [2]
14:53:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-irc#T14-27-45
14:53:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV will document and elaborate benefits/drawbacks to using single/multipe properties [3]
14:53:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-er-irc#T14-50-19