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13:39:10 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core working group
13:39:14 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
13:39:18 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:39:24 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:39:35 <fsasaki> last minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/28-i18ncore-minutes.html
13:42:44 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0009.html
13:52:33 <fsasaki> agenda+ action items
13:52:45 <fsasaki> agenda+ ws i18n republication schedule
13:52:54 <fsasaki> agenda+ charmod resid progress
13:53:09 <fsasaki> agenda+ LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review
13:53:29 <fsasaki> agenda+ Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)
14:00:45 <fsasaki> zakim, dial Keio-617
14:00:46 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
14:00:47 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:48 <Zakim> +Keio
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14:01:11 <fsasaki> agenda?
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14:02:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:16 <fyergeau_> zakim, [ is fyergeau
14:02:16 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
14:02:16 <Zakim> -Keio
14:02:17 <Zakim> +Keio
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14:03:35 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida
14:03:35 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:03:37 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:04:02 <fsasaki> agenda?
14:05:14 <r12a> kazuyo
14:06:02 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:06:49 <fsasaki> action:  Felix to make regular call 1 hour earlier (talk to zakim)(DONE)
14:07:08 <fsasaki> Felix to talk to Martin on IRI tests (DONE)
14:07:39 <fsasaki> action: Mary to look at WS Addr (PENDING)
14:08:22 <fsasaki> action: felix to go trough LTLI within the next 2 weeks (PENDING)
14:08:38 <fsasaki> felix: hope to have this done next week (again)
14:08:49 <fsasaki> action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (ONGOING)
14:09:16 <fsasaki> action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)
14:09:38 <fsasaki> action: Richard to go through the xml:lang CDR review issue (DROPPED)
14:09:45 <fsasaki> agenda?
14:10:24 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:10:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ws i18n republication schedule" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:11:32 <fsasaki> felix: got feedback that we should slow down publication of this
14:11:43 <fsasaki> .. i.e. not before May, better June
14:12:12 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:12:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "charmod resid progress" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:12:28 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0006.html
14:12:35 <fsasaki> Felix: mail from Martin
14:17:11 <fsasaki> .. we need an implementation report for resid
14:17:58 <fsasaki> Richard: charmod needs implementation in specs
14:18:12 <fsasaki> Francois: for resid, you have to show that browsers or servers to the right thing
14:19:15 <fsasaki> Felix: do we then have to write an implementation report?
14:19:26 <fsasaki> Francois: in the resid spec, there are four requirements
14:19:54 <fsasaki> .. we require a test suite, but the document places requirements on spec
14:20:04 <fsasaki> .. the document is just a wrapper on the IETF IRI spec
14:20:20 <fsasaki> Richard: conformance criteria are just about specs
14:22:06 <fsasaki> action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are located
14:22:45 <fsasaki> action: Felix to find out what we need in the IRI implementation report
14:23:11 <fsasaki> Francois: We did require a test suite
14:23:21 <fsasaki> .. what we could do is an implementation report related to specs
14:24:00 <fsasaki> Felix: how many specs cite charmod resid?
14:24:15 <fsasaki> Francois: they don't need to cite it, just be compliant
14:24:54 <fsasaki> [[C061   [S]  Specifications that define new syntax for URIs SHOULD also define the normalization requirements for the syntax they introduce.]]
14:25:24 <fsasaki> Richard: we left that in there because we are not defining what the normalization requirements are
14:25:33 <fsasaki> .. so we are fine with this
14:27:23 <fsasaki> action: Felix to write an implementation report on charmod resid
14:27:28 <fyergeau_> http://www.w3.org/2004/11/charmod-implementation/
14:29:30 <fsasaki> agenda?
14:29:40 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:29:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:31:42 <fsasaki> Felix: I asked Addison if he could participate in a project review about RFC 3066bis
14:32:03 <fsasaki> Richard: when will you do that?
14:32:07 <fsasaki> Felix: in the next months
14:32:23 <fsasaki> Richard: we have to figure out some things
14:32:41 <fsasaki> .. and it should be after the doc is finalized
14:33:14 <fsasaki> .. I am writing s.t. about the first part part of RFC 3066bis
14:33:43 <fsasaki> .. for the www conference, and to put on the i18n site
14:34:24 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:34:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:34:26 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:35:44 <fsasaki> topic: ws addressing review
14:35:51 <fsasaki> mary: I'll get to it this afternoon
14:36:00 <fsasaki> topic: ws i18n update
14:36:17 <fsasaki> mary: It looks like it makes sense
14:36:33 <fsasaki> .. it will not be a 100 page document (like the security document)
14:37:46 <fsasaki> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]
14:38:06 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0005.html
14:38:43 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0011.html
14:42:22 <fsasaki> Richard: I don't understand the DTMF part
14:42:51 <r12a> i don't think *Max* understands the DTMF part
14:44:05 <fsasaki> Francois: there seems to be some misunderstanding
14:44:10 <fsasaki> [[Here's an analysis of why I recommend we do not mandate nor
14:44:10 <fsasaki> recomment compliance to CharMod Fundamentals in VoiceXML2.1.
14:44:13 <fsasaki> ]]
14:45:45 <fsasaki> action: everybody to look at the mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0011.html
14:46:12 <fsasaki> action: Felix ask Max if he can join next week's i18n core call
14:46:44 <fsasaki> Richard: what will the TAG discuss?
14:46:52 <fsasaki> Karl's tag action item:
14:46:53 <fsasaki> [[ACTION: Karl to bring to the TAG the relationship between charmod and  
14:46:53 <fsasaki> XML as large and its implications on specification development
14:46:54 <fsasaki> ]]
14:47:40 <fsasaki> [[The question seems to be if all future Technologies defined in W3C  
14:47:40 <fsasaki> Specifications MUST conform or not to Charmod.
14:47:40 <fsasaki> A related question is for the specifications themselves.
14:47:41 <fsasaki> ]]
14:48:54 <fsasaki> Richard: the tag question is a general question, different from Max' issues
14:49:19 <fsasaki> .. as we developed charmod, we had something in the conformance section saying "all new W3C specs MUST refer to it"
14:49:30 <fsasaki> .. Tim and others pushed back, so we took that out
14:49:42 <fsasaki> .. in the hope that other specs would refer to charmod
14:49:50 <fsasaki> .. Francois, is this the result?
14:49:58 <fsasaki> Francois: I don't recall anything else
14:50:36 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/
14:53:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#no-charset
14:53:42 <fsasaki> Richard: that means "don't look at the http header"
14:53:52 <fsasaki> Francois: that stuff breaks all the time
14:54:37 <r12a> correction: that means "don't declare the encoding in the http header for xhtml"
14:55:19 <fsasaki> action: all to look at the TAG issue, and intercept Karl
14:55:52 <fsasaki> Felix: should we take over from Karl?
14:55:57 <fsasaki> Richard: I don't think so
14:56:03 <fsasaki> .. it will take some time from us
14:57:16 <fsasaki> .. we should not make a huge deal of it
14:57:53 <fsasaki> topic: other business?
14:58:24 <Zakim> -fyergeau
14:58:26 <Zakim> -Mary
14:58:28 <Zakim> -Keio
14:58:30 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()10:00AM has ended
14:58:30 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:58:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Keio, Ishida, Mary
14:58:41 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Francois, Mary, Richard
14:58:45 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/04-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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15:16:24 <Zakim> +Karunesh_Arora
15:16:32 <r12a> hello karunesh
15:16:33 <Zakim> -Karunesh_Arora
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15:16:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Karunesh_Arora
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15:21:15 <r12a> hello karunesh,
15:21:26 <r12a> core meetings start an hour earlier now
15:21:42 <r12a> ie. at 2pm UTC
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