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14:30:20 <DanC> agenda + Convene
14:30:26 <DanC> agenda + DESCRIBE issue
14:30:33 <DanC> agenda + Toward CR
14:30:40 <DanC> agenda + JSON results format
14:30:47 <DanC> agenda + test suite maintenance
14:30:54 <DanC> agenda + MIME type registrations
14:31:02 <DanC> agenda + UC&R end-game
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14:31:07 <DanC> Zakim, this is dawg
14:31:07 <Zakim> ok, DanC; that matches SW_DAWG()10:30AM
14:31:16 <Zakim> +DanC
14:31:38 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
14:31:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene" taken up [from DanC]
14:31:44 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:31:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Libby_Miller, DanC
14:31:55 <jeen> Zakim, [IPcaller] is mee
14:31:55 <Zakim> +mee; got it
14:31:57 <libby> zakim, mute me
14:31:57 <Zakim> Libby_Miller should now be muted
14:31:58 <jeen> er
14:32:00 <jeen> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:32:00 <Zakim> sorry, jeen, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
14:32:06 <jeen> Zakim, mee is me
14:32:06 <Zakim> +jeen; got it
14:32:08 <Zakim> +Elias_Torres
14:32:09 <DanC> Zakim, mee is jeen
14:32:09 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'mee'
14:32:18 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:32:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, Elias_Torres
14:32:32 <EliasT> Zakim, mute me please
14:32:32 <Zakim> Elias_Torres should now be muted
14:32:44 <EliasT> Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
14:32:44 <Zakim> +EliasT; got it
14:33:01 <Zakim> +EricP
14:33:02 <DanC> Regrets: AndyS, Lee Feigenbaum, Souri
14:33:11 <DanC> Meeting: RDF Data Access
14:33:12 <EliasT> Jos also sent regrets.
14:33:13 <DanC> Chair: DanC
14:33:19 <DanC> Regrets+ JosD
14:33:30 <EliasT> sorry
14:33:30 <ericP> Scribe: DanC
14:33:33 <ericP> Scribe: EricP
14:33:59 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:33:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, EliasT (muted), EricP
14:34:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:34:21 <SteveH> Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH
14:34:21 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:34:26 <SteveH> Zakim, mute me
14:34:26 <Zakim> SteveH should now be muted
14:34:31 <Zakim> +Sven_Groppe
14:34:59 <Zakim> -Sven_Groppe
14:35:36 <DanC> Regrets+ Janne Saarela
14:35:56 <Zakim> +Sven_Groppe
14:36:48 <ericP> PROPOSED: to approve minutes 28 Mar as a true record
14:36:51 <EliasT> second
14:36:51 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/att-0532/28-dawg-minutes.html minutes 28 Mar
14:37:02 <ericP> APPROVED. no abstentions or objections
14:37:18 <ericP> PROPOSED: to meet again Tue, 11 Apr 14:30Z
14:37:25 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
14:37:25 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jeen
14:37:30 <EliasT> Let's nominate someone who's not here..
14:37:46 <DanC> tentative regrets 11 apr for Jeen
14:37:47 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
14:37:48 <libby> me can scribe but not 100%sure I'll be there :-/
14:37:48 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Libby_Miller (muted)
14:37:51 <libby> heh
14:38:07 <libby> yeahput me down
14:38:08 <ericP> APPROVED. Next meeting Tue, 11 Apr 14:30Z; Libby to scribe
14:38:23 <ericP> ACTION: SergioT to respond to 2005-09-18T15:02:48Z Peter F. Patel-Schneider. [DONE]
14:38:28 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20050918.110248.43269866.pfps@research.bell-labs.com PFPS's initial mail
14:38:31 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/A021E7C2-C1AC-452E-8937-428A5F37ACEF@inf.unibz.it SergioT's response
14:38:34 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060329.070706.22039557.pfps@research.bell-labs.com PFPS's somewhat reluctant acceptance 29 Mar
14:38:37 <ericP> action -1
14:38:44 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:38:44 <Zakim> agendum 2. "DESCRIBE issue" taken up [from DanC]
14:39:22 <DanC> see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672
14:40:26 <DanC> Zakim, who'e on the phone?
14:40:26 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, DanC.
14:40:32 <EliasT> Zakim, unmute me
14:40:32 <Zakim> EliasT should no longer be muted
14:40:33 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:40:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, EliasT, EricP, SteveH (muted), Sven_Groppe
14:40:37 <SteveH> Zakim, unmute me
14:40:37 <Zakim> SteveH should no longer be muted
14:40:52 <ericP> [around the table on DESCRIBE]
14:41:03 <libby> sorry, what's the best link? 
14:41:07 <ericP> jeen: current text seems fine to me
14:41:09 <EliasT> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe
14:41:14 <DanC> PROPOSED: postpone DESCRIBE for reasons given in PatH's message, with text per http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672
14:42:20 <libby> just looking
14:42:21 <DanC> ack libby
14:42:24 <libby> zakim, unmute me
14:42:24 <Zakim> Libby_Miller was not muted, libby
14:42:56 <ericP> libby: asemantics wanted to keep DESCRIBE in. current text is acceptable
14:42:56 <libby> zakim, mute me
14:42:56 <Zakim> Libby_Miller should now be muted
14:43:07 <ericP> DanC: am content with this proposal
14:43:27 <ericP> EliasT: text is ok. liked some of Bijan's points
14:43:55 <DanC> ack steveh
14:44:01 <ericP> ericP: am happy with current text
14:44:19 <ericP> SteveH: worried about incompatible implementations but not all that bothered
14:44:26 <EliasT> DESCRIBE is currently not constrained at all.
14:44:27 <SteveH> Zakim, mute me
14:44:27 <Zakim> SteveH should now be muted
14:44:31 <ericP> Sven_Groppe: It's OK
14:45:15 <DanC> "This definition intentionally does not prescribe the nature of the relevant information."
14:45:55 <ericP> EliasT: the RDF graph is not constrained
14:46:06 <ericP> ... I'd like that in the red text
14:46:27 <DanC> "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph that is not constrained at all."
14:46:43 <DanC> "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an arbitrary RDF graph."
14:46:46 <jeen> Zakim, mute me
14:46:46 <Zakim> jeen should now be muted
14:49:31 <DanC> "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."
14:51:44 <DanC> PROPOSED: postpone DESCRIBE for reasons given in PatH's message, with text per http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672 + "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."
14:51:50 <EliasT> second
14:52:37 <ericP> "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."
14:52:45 <DanC> 1.674 $ of $Date: 2006/04/04 14:52:22
14:53:01 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0523.html rationale from Hayes
14:53:23 <DanC> so RESOLVED.
14:53:36 <ericP> APPROVED. no abstentions or objections
14:53:56 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0528.html danc found some describe tests
14:54:09 <DanC> tests/data/SyntaxDev/Syntax-SPARQL2/syntax-form-describe01.rq stays
14:54:29 <DanC> is this an approved test? tests/data/extracted-examples/query-10.4.1.rq
14:54:56 <jeen> Zakim, unmute me
14:54:56 <Zakim> jeen should no longer be muted
14:55:11 <DanC> no, it's not approved
14:55:24 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:55:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Toward CR" taken up [from DanC]
14:55:43 <ericP> ACTION: Souri to arrange a phone call with Fred Zemke and interested WG members (Andy + (DanC or EricP)). [DONE]
14:55:46 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/443153AC.1030802@oracle.comnote regrets from Souri
14:55:57 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/443153AC.1030802@oracle.com note regrets from Souri
14:56:02 <ericP> action -2
14:56:08 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2006Mar/0192.html notes on Oracle coordination, conversation with Fred Z
14:56:51 <DanC> PROPOSED: to go to CR
14:56:57 <EliasT> second
14:57:05 <DanC> so RESOLVED.
14:57:31 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/crq349 CR request, under evaluation
14:57:41 <DanC> DanC intends to update w.r.t. Cerebra objections.
14:58:29 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:58:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "JSON results format" taken up [from DanC]
14:58:39 <ericP> ACTION: AndyS to review JSON results draft. [DONE]
14:58:40 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/442BD95F.1020304@hp.com AndyS's review
14:59:34 <DanC> Revision 1.5  2006/03/30 17:39:30  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/
14:59:38 <ericP> EliasT, I think KendallC has checked in everything.
14:59:43 <ericP> EliasT: I think KendallC has checked in everything.
15:00:21 <ericP> PROPOSED: to get around to publishing http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/
15:01:02 <SteveH> yes
15:01:37 <DanC> ... with any edits agreed by EricP + Elias
15:01:47 <DanC> so RESOLVED.
15:02:03 <ericP> no abstentions or objections
15:02:26 <ericP> ACTION: EricP to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/
15:02:38 <DanC> no guarantees about timeliness
15:02:40 <ericP> action -3
15:02:58 <ericP> action -2
15:03:13 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:03:14 <Zakim> agendum 5. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from DanC]
15:03:22 <ericP> ACTION: EricP to work on [2006-02-24T08:45:23Z Olivier Corby], potentially automating examples2tests progress, [DONE]
15:03:25 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/43FEC7A3.6040703@sophia.inria.fr 2006-02-24T08:45:23Z Olivier Corby
15:03:28 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060323163316.GW412@w3.org EricP's announcement
15:03:29 <ericP> action -5
15:03:32 <Sven_Groppe> must leave because of Kindergarten opening times...
15:03:38 <Zakim> -Sven_Groppe
15:03:48 <DanC> enjoy, Sven
15:04:07 <Sven_Groppe> Sven_Groppe has left #dawg
15:04:09 <ericP> jeen: results for queries with OPITONALs are incorrectly coded
15:05:01 <DanC> (yay! peer programming!)
15:05:19 <ericP> ACTION: EricP and Jeen to fix OPTIONAL coding
15:05:58 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0472.html andy's offset tests
15:06:06 <ericP> ACTION: AndyS conjure some LIMIT/OFFSET tests. [DONE]
15:06:07 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/44210293.5000605@hp.com announcement
15:06:17 <ericP> action -7
15:06:59 <ericP> ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple
15:07:29 <ericP> [CONTINUED]
15:07:40 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:07:41 <Zakim> agendum 6. "MIME type registrations" taken up [from DanC]
15:07:54 <ericP> ACTION EricP: to follow up on mime type requests (2Mar)
15:07:54 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309080030.GR412@w3.org [Last Call] Registration of media type application/sparql-results+xml
15:07:57 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309080507.GS412@w3.org [Last Call] Registration of media type application/sparql-query
15:08:00 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309013957.F70758@skutsje.san.webweaving.org Dirk-Willem's response
15:08:52 <DanC> "This has not been reviewed or approved by the RDF Data Access Working Group." -- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#mediaType
15:09:46 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#queryMimeType resolved in 2005-07-26 telcon
15:12:46 <ericP> ACTION: EricP to respond to http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309013957.F70758@skutsje.san.webweaving.org
15:13:06 <Zakim> -DanC
15:13:14 <DanC> wtf?
15:13:20 <libby> yes!
15:13:25 <SteveH> im here
15:13:27 <libby> yeah!
15:13:31 <Zakim> +DanC
15:13:56 <DanC> uh... my phone is acting up.
15:14:06 <ericP> agenda?
15:14:11 <DanC> I guess I move to adjourn, unless somebody wants to take over chairing
15:14:43 <Zakim> -DanC
15:15:00 <jeen> ADJOURNED
15:15:01 <EliasT> MOTION: ADJOURN
15:15:07 <EliasT> ADJOURN
15:15:08 <DanC> very well. thanks.
15:15:19 <EliasT> yes
15:15:35 <SteveH> bye
15:15:41 <libby> cheers!
15:15:43 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:15:48 <Zakim> -Libby_Miller
15:17:09 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/examples-extract.xsl
15:17:41 <EliasT> RRSAgent, please make logs world-access
15:17:54 <EliasT> RRSAgent, stop