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16:56:34 <RalphS> Meeting: SWBPD WG
16:56:40 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0119.html
16:57:00 <RalphS> RalphS has changed the topic to: SWBPD 3 April agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0119.html
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16:57:52 <guus> i'll be joining in three minutes
16:58:03 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
16:58:11 <RalphS> Regrets: Raphael, DanBri, Deb, Alistair, Benjamin, DavidW, PhilT
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16:59:37 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
16:59:46 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
16:59:50 <FabGandon> zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon
16:59:50 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
16:59:57 <Zakim> + +1.441.224.aaaa
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17:00:14 <JeffP> zakim, aaaa is me
17:00:14 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
17:00:31 <Zakim> +Ralph
17:00:48 <FabGandon> Hello (I am muted)
17:00:51 <libby> sorry I don't think I'm going to make much / any of the voice meeting - I'm in another meeting
17:00:52 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:01:10 <RalphS> Regrets+ Libby
17:01:15 <libby> thanks ralphs
17:03:38 <Jacco> Jacco has joined #swbp
17:03:51 <Zakim> +[IVML]
17:04:06 <RalphS> zakim, ivml is Giorgos
17:04:06 <Zakim> +Giorgos; got it
17:04:16 <Zakim> +DBooth
17:05:31 <RalphS> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes
17:05:32 <Zakim> + +30889aabb
17:05:45 <RalphS> zakim, aabb is Guus
17:05:45 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
17:05:59 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
17:05:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabGandon (muted), JeffP, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Giorgos, DBooth, Guus
17:06:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:06:48 <RalphS> zakim, ipcaller is Jacco
17:06:48 <Zakim> +Jacco; got it
17:06:57 <Jacco> zakim mute me
17:07:01 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:07:01 <Zakim> Jacco should now be muted
17:07:14 <giorgos> zakim, mute me
17:07:14 <Zakim> Giorgos should now be muted
17:07:21 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph
17:07:29 <RalphS> Zakim, you keep picking on me!
17:07:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you keep picking on me!', RalphS
17:07:34 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph
17:07:42 <Jacco> muted
17:08:12 <Elisa> Elisa has joined #swbp
17:08:22 <ekw> I could try scribing.
17:08:28 <ekw> Evan
17:09:21 <RalphS> Scribe: Evan
17:09:24 <RalphS> Chair: Guus
17:09:43 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:09:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from RalphS]
17:09:56 <Jacco> zakim, who is there
17:09:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is there', Jacco
17:10:44 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
17:10:50 <ekw> Propose to accept draft minutes from last meeting with amendments
17:11:32 <ekw> Ralph seconds
17:11:37 <ekw> Resolved to accept
17:11:54 <ekw> Guus: proposes that we have two more telecons
17:11:57 <RalphS> Regrets for 17 April
17:12:38 <ekw> Ralph: regrets for 17 April, Mass state holiday
17:12:42 <FabGandon> It is.
17:12:50 <RalphS> is 17 April Easter holiday in Europe
17:13:20 <Jacco> it is in netherlands too
17:13:45 <ekw> Guus: I am happy to move 17 Apr - 24th but
17:13:57 <JeffP> +1
17:13:58 <ekw> then we need to move the last telecon to 8th of May
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17:14:16 <RalphS> RESOLVED: next telecons will be 24 April and 8 May
17:14:37 <RalphS> Evan: OMG meeting conflicts on 24 April, so some may be at risk
17:15:14 <ekw> Announcements have been sent about pub of XSCH doc
17:15:17 <JeffP> Thanks, Ralph!
17:15:26 <Jacco> Thanks again!
17:15:29 <ekw> No issues for liaison
17:16:02 <ekw> Task Force Updates
17:16:16 <RalphS> Topic: 3. Task Force Updates
17:16:21 <RalphS> Topic: 3.1 PORT
17:16:29 <ekw> Guus: for all practical purposes this TF is closed
17:16:41 <RalphS> Guus: PORT closed 
17:16:52 <RalphS> Topic: 3.2 OEP
17:17:25 <ekw> Elisa: n-ary relations is ready to go
17:17:54 <ekw> Elisa: the only thing missing was the revision which re-org'd flight eg
17:18:08 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note
17:19:01 <Jacco> I can review part whole
17:19:04 <ekw> Guus: Part-Whole - Steve Pepper to review
17:19:42 <Jacco> zakim, unmute me
17:19:42 <Zakim> Jacco should no longer be muted
17:19:56 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:19:56 <Zakim> Jacco should now be muted
17:20:36 <ekw> DavidBooth: I am pretty sure I reviewed this
17:21:19 <Jacco> :-)
17:21:53 <Jacco> will do
17:21:53 <ekw> ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc
17:22:03 <Jacco> zakim, unmute me
17:22:04 <Zakim> Jacco should no longer be muted
17:22:11 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:22:11 <Zakim> Jacco should now be muted
17:22:17 <dbooth> Here are the comments that I posted a while back on the n-ary draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0059
17:22:33 <RalphS> [http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-whole-relations-v0-2.html claims to be a W3C Working Draft -- that is poor style]
17:23:28 <ekw> Guus: OWL Time - Do we have the prospect of having another version of Time
17:23:33 <RalphS> Evan: I think Feng thought he was done with Time editor's draft
17:24:35 <ekw> ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note
17:24:44 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09 meeting record
17:25:50 <ekw> Semantic Integration note reviews
17:25:51 <RalphS> Ralph: as of 12 December the word from OEP was "chris: no, expecting to release a new draft [of Time] soon, have had several comments"
17:26:35 <FabGandon> Review Phil: 
17:26:36 <FabGandon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0104.html
17:26:38 <FabGandon> Review Fabien: 
17:26:39 <ekw> Guus: I hope that the editors can respond to the rev. cmts for another draft
17:26:39 <FabGandon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0087.html
17:27:40 <ekw> ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg
17:27:48 <Jacco> raphael is travelling
17:28:16 <ekw> Guus: I think we are only missing QCR 
17:28:42 <ekw> ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note
17:29:51 <ekw> Topic 3.3 WordNet
17:30:03 <RalphS> Topic: 3.3 WordNet
17:30:27 <ekw> [[got it]]
17:31:05 <ekw> Guus: So much work has been done on this, I would hate to see it be lost.
17:32:12 <ekw> Ralph: my understanding is that Princeton is willing to provide a URI that redirects
17:32:38 <ekw> Ralph: we were waiting until asking Princeton to do that redirection.
17:33:27 <ekw> Ralph: I gave Mark a URI in W3 space where he can put all the files.
17:34:14 <ekw> Guus: I think the wordnet example is a good example of vocab mgmt issues.
17:34:40 <ekw> Ralph: I am concerned about publishing a draft which contains a URI that will 404.
17:35:10 <ekw> Guus: Mark promised a new draft before end of week.
17:36:13 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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17:36:29 <benadida> zakim, mute me
17:36:29 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should now be muted
17:36:50 <Jacco> q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?
17:37:08 <Jacco> +q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?
17:37:10 <ekw> Ralph: I would prefer to use the W3.org URI everywhere then pub'ing a doc that 404s.
17:37:42 <RalphS> Ralph: the w3.org URI would never be 404 after we publish a WD
17:38:11 <ekw> Guus: I suggest that we add a note about the Princeton URI to the effect that it may work in future.
17:39:06 <ekw> Guus: I propose that we do as Ralph suggests for this draft.
17:40:11 <ekw> ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft
17:40:51 <ekw> scribe missed the details of DBooth's question
17:40:59 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wn-conversion-20060403.html#versioningstrategy Appendix B
17:41:36 <RalphS> DBooth: is the intention in the implementation to use 303 redirects for the synset URIs?
17:42:07 <RalphS> ... where will the data come from?
17:43:32 <RalphS> Ralph: whatever we do should be consistent with http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wn-conversion-20060403.html#versioningstrategy
17:43:35 <RalphS> oope
17:43:48 <RalphS> Ralph: whatever we do should be consistent with http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/
17:44:24 <ekw> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's
17:47:05 <RalphS> Ralph: we missed an opportunity to coordinate better between WordNet and VM
17:47:35 <Jacco> zakim, unmute me
17:47:35 <Zakim> Jacco should no longer be muted
17:47:42 <Zakim> -Jacco
17:47:57 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:47:57 <Zakim> sorry, Jacco, I do not see a party named 'Jacco'
17:48:25 <Jacco> got kicked out of the connection
17:48:35 <Jacco> +q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?
17:50:07 <RalphS> Jacco: what is the latest version of Part-Whole?
17:50:32 <RalphS> (OEP page http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/index.html )
17:50:49 <Jacco> that is dated august 11
17:51:11 <Jacco> Mike Ushold's review is from 14 september...
17:52:08 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/
17:52:12 <ekw> Ralph: There is nothing more recent than the Aug 11 doc in W3 filesystem
17:53:05 <ekw> Ralph: That file was updated on our servers on Oct 10
17:53:06 <RalphS> that document was last updated on W3C servers on 2005-10-10
17:53:27 <Zakim> +Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
17:54:13 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:54:13 <Zakim> Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:54:27 <Jacco> zakim, unmute me
17:54:27 <Zakim> Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
17:54:36 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
17:54:36 <Zakim> Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:54:49 <ekw> ACTION: Guus to check on the status of latest version of Part-Whole
17:54:58 <RalphS> actually, the most recent version of Simple part-whole I see on our servers was last updated on 2005-08-13
17:55:32 <ekw> Topic: VM
17:55:38 <benadida> zakim, unmute me
17:55:41 <Zakim> Ben_Adida was not muted, benadida
17:55:48 <ekw> Topic: 3.6 HTML
17:56:46 <ekw> Ben: Getting positive signs from Mozilla about RDF/A
17:57:15 <RalphS> Ben: Mike Shaver says Mozilla is interested in making Firefox and Mozilla support RDF/A
17:57:47 <ekw> Ben: Only non-minor changes expected are for rdf:Collection support
17:58:45 <ekw> Guus: would you have another revision before final SWBPD telecon
17:59:13 <ekw> Ben: We will have a second draft by April 24th
18:00:25 <ekw> ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in next draft
18:00:44 <ekw> Topic 3.7 ADTF
18:00:47 <benadida> zakim, mute me
18:00:47 <Zakim> Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:00:56 <ekw> Topic: 3.7 ADTF
18:01:13 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki
18:01:56 <FabGandon> Review Fabien:
18:01:58 <FabGandon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0114.html
18:02:05 <ekw> Topic: 3.8 RDFTM
18:02:29 <ekw> Guus: You have an action to review?
18:03:13 <ekw> Elisa: Bob Colomb still probably will review after ODM deadline
18:03:34 <Jacco> zakim, unmute me
18:03:34 <ekw> Topic: 3.11 MM
18:03:36 <Zakim> Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
18:03:37 <giorgos> Zakim, please unmute
18:03:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please unmute', giorgos
18:04:10 <ekw> Jacco: no further MM documents expected within this group
18:04:37 <JeffP> q+
18:04:42 <Jacco> zakim, mute me
18:04:42 <Zakim> Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
18:05:08 <ekw> Giorgos: we are going to work further on second deliverable
18:05:27 <ekw> Giorgos: but will try to pub through XG
18:05:47 <ekw> Giorgos: XG proposal should be done by 15 Apr
18:06:22 <RalphS> Ralph: feel free to request W3C telecon resources for your XG organization work, Giorgos
18:06:27 <giorgos> Zakim, mute me
18:06:27 <Zakim> Giorgos should now be muted
18:07:20 <ekw> Jeff Pan: I wonder if we could get some more comments on deliverable 2 from this WG
18:07:59 <JeffP> http://www.csd.abdn.ac.uk/~jpan/w3c/MSXG-proposal.html
18:08:09 <ekw> Topic: 4 AOB
18:08:48 <Zakim> -Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:08:49 <giorgos> bye
18:08:51 <ekw> Adjourn
18:08:52 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
18:08:53 <JeffP> s/comments on deliverable 2/comments on the XG proplsal
18:08:54 <Zakim> -DBooth
18:08:57 <benadida> benadida has left #swbp
18:08:57 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:08:58 <Jacco> bye
18:08:58 <Zakim> -FabGandon
18:08:59 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
18:09:06 <FabGandon> Bye.
18:09:10 <Zakim> -JeffP
18:09:13 <Zakim> -Giorgos
18:09:31 <Zakim> -Ralph
18:10:02 <Zakim> -Guus
18:10:04 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:10:05 <Zakim> Attendees were FabGandon, +1.441.224.aaaa, JeffP, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Giorgos, DBooth, +30889aabb, Guus, Jacco, Elisa_Kendall, Ben_Adida, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:10:37 <RalphS> zakim, bye
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18:10:42 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:10:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html RalphS
18:15:08 <dbooth> rrsagent, please make minutes public
18:15:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', dbooth.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:27:56 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-actions.rdf :
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [1]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-18-08
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [2]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-21-53-1
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note [3]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-24-35
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg [4]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-27-40
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [5]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-28-42
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft [6]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-40-11
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's [7]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-44-24
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to check on the status of latest version of Part-Whole [8]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-54-49
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in next draft [9]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T18-00-25
18:27:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki [10]
18:27:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T18-01-13