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21:00:52 <Zakim> +??P5
21:01:05 <ben> zakim, ??P5 is Ben_and_Gregg
21:01:05 <Zakim> +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
21:01:12 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:01:17 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:01:25 <bengt> zakim, was is sorcha =
21:01:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'was is sorcha =', bengt
21:01:29 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
21:01:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
21:01:43 <rscano> zakim, [IP is Roberto_Scano
21:01:43 <Zakim> sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '[IP'
21:01:48 <ben> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
21:01:52 <bengt> zakim, +[IPcaller] is sorcha
21:01:52 <Zakim> sorry, bengt, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
21:01:54 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
21:01:58 <rscano> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is Roberto_Scano
21:01:58 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
21:02:01 <Zakim> +[IBM]
21:02:01 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
21:02:03 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
21:02:06 <ben> Zakim,this is WAI_WCAG
21:02:06 <Zakim> ben, this was already WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
21:02:07 <bengt> zakim, [IPcaller] is sorcha
21:02:08 <Zakim> ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
21:02:09 <rscano> zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
21:02:10 <Zakim> +sorcha; got it
21:02:11 <Michael> zakim, I am Michael_Cooper
21:02:12 <Zakim> ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
21:02:13 <Zakim> ok, Michael, I now associate you with Michael_Cooper
21:02:15 <ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
21:02:21 <ben> Regrets: Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly
21:02:27 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
21:02:28 <Zakim> + +1.202.498.aabb
21:02:31 <rscano> zakim, mute me
21:02:31 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
21:02:36 <ben> agenda+ SC 1.3.1 Failures (March 30)
21:02:44 <Zakim> +Judy
21:02:47 <ben> agenda+ How to Meet Documents for 1.2.2 and 2.3.2 and Text of Guideline 4.1
21:02:53 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
21:02:56 <ben> agenda+ Understanding Guideline Documents
21:03:07 <ben> agenda+ Planning and timeline for Last Call
21:03:09 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
21:03:27 <Becky> Becky has joined #wai-wcag
21:03:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:03:36 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
21:03:36 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
21:03:36 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:03:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see sorcha, Bengt_Farre, John_Slatin, Ben_and_Gregg, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano (muted), [IBM], Michael_Cooper,
21:03:40 <Zakim> ... +1.202.498.aabb, Judy, Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki
21:03:58 <ben> zakim, [IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
21:03:58 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
21:04:19 <Zakim> +Yvette_Hoitink
21:04:25 <bengt> couldnt hear the name
21:04:30 <ben> zakim, +1.202.498.aabb is Bruce_Bailey
21:04:30 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey; got it
21:04:32 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
21:04:44 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see sorcha, Bengt_Farre, John_Slatin, Ben_and_Gregg, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano (muted), Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper,
21:04:47 <Zakim> ... Bruce_Bailey, Judy, Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Christophe_Strobbe
21:05:12 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:05:12 <Sofia> Sofia has joined #wai-wcag
21:05:56 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
21:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "SC 1.3.1 Failures (March 30)" taken up [from ben]
21:06:09 <Andi> scribe:
21:06:14 <Andi> scribe: Andi
21:06:18 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
21:06:22 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0668.html
21:06:28 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
21:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "SC 1.3.1 Failures (March 30)" taken up [from ben]
21:06:35 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:07:23 <David_MacDonald> David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag
21:08:33 <Andi> resolution: accept How to Meet Success Criterion 2.3.2, Understanding 1.3, 1.4, 2.2, 2.3, 2.5, 3.1, 4.2 with edits by consent decree
21:08:54 <Andi> Topic: Failure due to using scripting events instead of anchors to create links
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21:10:27 <Andi> scribe: David_MacDonald
21:13:31 <David_MacDonald> resolution: accept SC 1.3.1 , adopt with edits except for the last item... except the end of Michael recommendation starting at "another related situation..."
21:15:03 <Andi> q+
21:15:34 <David_MacDonald> topic: sc 1.3.1 Filure due to using structural markup in a way that does not represent relationships in the content
21:18:53 <David_MacDonald> action: Andi to add a line in the wording of the text of the Failure technique to ensure that the failure does not cover layout tables
21:20:02 <David_MacDonald> resolution: adopt sc 1.3.1 Filure due to using structural markup in a way that does not represent relationships in the content with Andi's edit to the language in the description to make sure it does not apply to layout tables
21:20:31 <David_MacDonald> s/Filure/Failure
21:20:44 <David_MacDonald> s/Filure/Failure
21:22:00 <David_MacDonald> Topic: 2.4.4 Failure: Failure due to not programmatically associating a link with text which its purpose can be determined
21:23:40 <Andi> q-
21:24:13 <ben> ack Lor
21:24:52 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:25:21 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:28:00 <Yvette> q+ to say "failure due to not including a description of a link"
21:30:29 <gregg> ACK Y
21:30:29 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "failure due to not including a description of a link"
21:35:17 <David_MacDonald> resolution: do not adopt the failure 2.4.4 Failure: Failure due to not programmatically associating a link with text which its purpose can be determined. And adding a line in the example of the parent element example that says that preceeding parent element must contain the link or it is not a parent.  
21:36:15 <ben> zakim,closethis item
21:36:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'closethis item', ben
21:36:18 <David_MacDonald> topic: how to meet doc....1.2.2 
21:36:21 <ben> zakim, close this item
21:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
21:36:22 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:36:23 <Zakim> 2. How to Meet Documents for 1.2.2 and 2.3.2 and Text of Guideline 4.1 [from ben]
21:36:26 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
21:36:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "How to Meet Documents for 1.2.2 and 2.3.2 and Text of Guideline 4.1" taken up [from ben]
21:38:29 <ben> ack Lor
21:39:01 <judy> q+
21:41:34 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:41:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see sorcha, Bengt_Farre, John_Slatin, Ben_and_Gregg, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano (muted), Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper,
21:41:37 <Zakim> ... Judy, Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Sofia_Celic (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey
21:43:26 <Yvette> q+ to ask for clarification
21:43:34 <ben> ack judy
21:43:36 <judy> q-
21:43:39 <ben> ack Yve
21:43:39 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to ask for clarification
21:45:22 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:46:25 <Ryladog> q+
21:47:53 <gregg> ACK R
21:47:55 <gregg> ACK J
21:48:21 <bengt> zakim, who is making noise ?
21:48:25 <rscano> zakim, mute me
21:48:25 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
21:48:31 <Zakim> bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_and_Gregg (68%), Roberto_Scano (20%), Judy (30%), Yvette_Hoitink (4%)
21:48:48 <Ryladog> q+
21:49:35 <David_MacDonald> resolution: accept how to meet sc 1.2.2
21:51:17 <Ryladog> q+
21:51:52 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:53:38 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:53:38 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:53:53 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:57:17 <Zakim> +??P0
21:57:19 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:57:41 <Ryladog> q-
22:00:18 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
22:00:39 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:00:57 <David_MacDonald> resolution: accept John's definition of fully corrected screenplay with the old note about "a screenplay used to create removing "as it occurred and"
22:01:02 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:01:04 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
22:01:28 <Zakim> -sorcha
22:01:31 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
22:01:31 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:01:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
22:02:03 <Sorcha> IP caller is Sorcha Moore, Segala
22:02:11 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
22:02:12 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:02:19 <bengt> zakim, [IP is SorchaMoore
22:02:19 <Zakim> +SorchaMoore; got it
22:04:15 <David_MacDonald> resolution: accept how to meet 1.2.2 with John's intent edit
22:04:53 <Andi> scribe: Andi
22:05:27 <Andi> topic: How to meet SC 2.3.2
22:06:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
22:06:49 <Yvette> q+
22:07:02 <David_MacDonald> q-
22:07:04 <ben> ack John
22:07:09 <Yvette> ack y
22:07:10 <ben> ack Yvette
22:07:40 <bengt> zakim, [Microsoft] is perhaps Cynthia
22:07:40 <Zakim> +Cynthia?; got it
22:09:58 <bengt> zakim, Cynthia is Cynthia_Shelley
22:09:58 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelley; got it
22:10:04 <Yvette> q+ to say "target audience?"
22:10:07 <Yvette> ack c
22:11:11 <Yvette> q-
22:12:02 <Yvette> q+
22:12:13 <Makoto> zakim, mute me
22:12:13 <Zakim> Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
22:15:03 <ben> ack Yve
22:18:08 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
22:19:24 <Andi> resolution: accept "How to meet 2.3.2" with edits
22:20:02 <Andi> topic: Revised proposal for 4.1.2
22:22:17 <Andi> resolution: accept reworded guideline 4.1 Support compatibility with current and future user agents
22:22:17 <Andi> (including assistive technologies)
22:25:11 <Andi> topic: definition of "publicly documented" that is included in the note for the definition of "programmatically set"
22:31:11 <ben> current definition: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/appendixA.html#programmaticallydetermineddef
22:34:34 <judy> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20030520.html
22:35:10 <judy> sorry, updated version: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/
22:35:22 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:38:30 <Zakim> -Yvette_Hoitink
22:38:36 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
22:38:39 <rscano> rscano has left #wai-wcag
22:40:58 <gregg> ACK
22:41:03 <gregg> ACK L
22:43:43 <Andi> resolution: roll call vote to open up normative definitions of "programmatically set" and "programmatically determined"
22:50:15 <judy> +1 on being careful on terminology & intent
22:55:20 <gregg> ACK B
22:55:21 <gregg> ACK C
22:57:39 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:59:26 <David_MacDonald> q+
23:00:54 <gregg> set by software using methods that are  user-agent-supported
23:01:03 <Andi> proposal for definition of "programmatically set" - "set by software using methods that are user-agent-supported"
23:03:07 <Andi> proposal for definition of "programmatically determined" - "determined by software from data provided in a user-agent-supported manner such that the user agents can extract and present this information to users in different modalities"
23:03:18 <gregg> ACK B
23:03:24 <gregg> ACK D
23:04:11 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald.a
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23:06:55 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald.aa
23:10:20 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald.aaa
23:10:54 <gregg> ACK J
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23:12:34 <David_MacDonald> q+
23:15:02 <Andi> amend proposals on definition of "programmatically set" and "programmatically determined" - add and address issue of the availability of the APIs in the information on choosing a baseline.
23:16:10 <Andi> resolution: accept proposal to remove "publicly documented" from definitions of "programmatically set" and "programmatically determined" and address issue of the availability of interfaces to the information on choosing a baseline.
23:16:11 <judy> q+
23:16:25 <gregg> ACK D
23:16:40 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
23:20:27 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:20:42 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
23:20:42 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
23:20:46 <bengt> bengt has left #wai-wcag
23:21:13 <ben> zakim, who is on the call?
23:21:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Slatin, Ben_and_Gregg, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald (muted), Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Judy, Makoto_Ueki (muted), Christophe_Strobbe,
23:21:17 <Zakim> ... Sofia_Celic (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, ??P0, Bruce_Bailey, SorchaMoore, Cynthia_Shelley, David_MacDonald.a, David_MacDonald.aa, David_MacDonald.aaa
23:21:28 <Andi> topic: Understanding guideline 1.1
23:21:44 <ben> zakim, drop David_MacDonald.a
23:21:44 <Zakim> 'David_MacDonald.a' is ambiguous, ben
23:22:31 <Andi> resolution: accept "Understanding guideline 1.1" with edits
23:23:12 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:24:57 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
23:28:05 <Andi> resolution: accept all "Understanding guideline x.y" documents with edits
23:30:56 <Andi> topic: Failure due to omitting the alt-attribute for non-text content used for decorative purposes only in HTML
23:31:07 <Andi> resolution: accept with edits
23:31:14 <Andi> resolution: accept
23:33:13 <Zakim> -??P0
23:37:38 <judy> q+ to briefly remind about CR planning
23:37:39 <ben> zakim, close this item
23:37:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
23:37:41 <ben> Present: Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, John_Slatin, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Judy_Brewer, Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Sofiea_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Cynthia_Shelly
23:37:42 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:37:43 <Zakim> 3. Understanding Guideline Documents [from ben]
23:37:43 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
23:37:45 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
23:37:46 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald.aaa
23:37:46 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:37:47 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
23:37:47 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelley
23:37:49 <Zakim> -Makoto_Ueki
23:37:51 <Zakim> -Ben_and_Gregg
23:37:52 <Sorcha> Sorcha has left #wai-wcag
23:37:53 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
23:37:55 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:37:55 <judy> q-
23:37:57 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:38:02 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
23:38:15 <Zakim> -SorchaMoore
23:44:10 <Christophe> Christophe has left #wai-wcag
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00:30:28 <Zakim> -Judy
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00:31:55 <judy> zakim, who's here?
00:31:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald (muted), David_MacDonald.a, David_MacDonald.aa
00:31:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy, RRSAgent, Michael, Zakim
00:32:24 <judy> zakim, drop David_MacDonald (muted)
00:32:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drop David_MacDonald (muted)', judy
00:32:45 <judy> zakim, drop David_MacDonald.a
00:32:45 <Zakim> David_MacDonald.a is being disconnected
00:32:46 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald.a
00:33:03 <judy> zakim, drop David_MacDonald
00:33:04 <Zakim> David_MacDonald is being disconnected
00:33:05 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
00:33:09 <judy> zakim, drop David_MacDonald.aa
00:33:09 <Zakim> David_MacDonald.aa is being disconnected
00:33:10 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
00:33:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +46.0.73.573.aaaa, John_Slatin, Bengt_Farre, Ben_and_Gregg, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano, [IBM], Michael_Cooper, sorcha, Judy,
00:33:15 <Zakim> ... Becky_Gibson, Makoto_Ueki, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Yvette_Hoitink, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Sofia_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Kerstin_Goldsmith, [IPcaller],
00:33:17 <Zakim> ... SorchaMoore, Cynthia?, Cynthia_Shelley
00:33:34 <judy> zakim, who's here?
00:33:34 <Zakim> apparently WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended, judy
00:33:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy, RRSAgent, Michael, Zakim
00:33:44 <judy> OK.
02:16:49 <Michael> rrsagent, bye
02:16:49 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
02:16:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi to add a line in the wording of the text of the Failure technique to ensure that the failure does not cover layout tables [1]
02:16:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/30-wai-wcag-irc#T21-18-53