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13:46:50 <RalphS> zakim, this will be swbp
13:46:50 <Zakim> ok, RalphS; I see SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
13:47:03 <RalphS> Meeting: SWBPD HTML TF
13:47:15 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Mar/0074.html
13:47:19 <RalphS> Regrets: Ben, Jeremy
13:47:43 <RalphS> Previous: 2006-03-20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Mar/0068.html
14:01:54 <Zakim> SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has now started
14:02:01 <Zakim> +Ralph
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14:05:37 <MarkB_> Hi Ralph...I'm just dialling now.
14:05:47 <MarkB_> Steven is also delayed...his new computer has crashed!
14:07:19 <Zakim> +??P6
14:07:26 <MarkB_> ZAKIM, I AM ?
14:07:26 <Zakim> +MarkB_; got it
14:09:02 <RalphS> Clocks in US move forward next week so telecon will be back to "normal" for Europeans next week
14:11:34 <RalphS> Mark: I've been thinking about using a bnode as the subject for about="" rather than the current document
14:11:52 <RalphS> ... this allows the document to move around (or be at multiple URIs)
14:12:04 <RalphS> ... am trying to write this all up
14:13:58 <RalphS> Ralph: I can remember discussions going back 8 years on this sort of issue
14:14:17 <RalphS> Mark: may also relate to the idea of named graphs
14:14:23 <RalphS> ... and might make reification easier
14:20:06 <RalphS> Topic: Action review
14:20:42 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark, Steven, and Ralph respond to Ben's off-list draft of response to Bjoern [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]
14:21:10 <RalphS> Mark: I still want to read Ben's draft more carefully
14:21:11 <RalphS> Ralph: me too
14:21:22 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: once Steven sends editors' draft of XHTML2, all TF members take a look and comment on showstopper issues only [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
14:21:36 <RalphS> Mark: not sure of current schedule
14:21:52 <RalphS> ... last time Steven and I spoke he was still working through the issues list
14:22:37 <RalphS> Ralph: is there anything in the RDF/A material that is delaying the editors' draft?
14:23:00 <RalphS> Mark: not that I'm aware, though Steven may have an action to add to some examples
14:23:56 <RalphS> Ralph: just want to be sure that if there's anything this TF can help with it's made known
14:24:10 <RalphS> [Ralph will copy remaining actions on Ben and Jeremy]
14:24:21 <RalphS> Topic: XHTML 1.1 modularization for RDF/A
14:24:31 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark work on a first draft of an RDF/A XHTML 1.1 module [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
14:24:54 <RalphS> Mark: no significant progress since last meeting
14:27:53 <RalphS> Ralph: the idea of 1.1 modularization has growing interest
14:28:37 <RalphS> ... I've been getting a lot of pressure to document use cases better
14:28:49 <RalphS> Mark: I had some of that info in the wiki but the wiki got spammed
14:29:09 <RalphS> ... Ben's work has encouraged me to work on marking-up a real site
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14:30:39 <Steven-mobile> zakim, dial steven-mobile
14:30:39 <Zakim> ok, Steven-mobile; the call is being made
14:30:41 <Zakim> +Steven
14:30:41 <RalphS> Ralph: is IPTC likely to adopt all of RDF/A, whether to markup HTML or some other vocabulary?
14:31:21 <MarkB_> zakim, mute steven
14:31:21 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
14:31:29 <MarkB_> sorry steven!
14:31:45 <RalphS> Mark: I did some work for IPTC to tweak RDF/A for them
14:31:54 <RalphS> ... CURIE abbreviated syntax is a key item for them
14:31:56 <Steven-mobile> zakim, drop me
14:31:56 <Zakim> sorry, Steven-mobile, I do not see a party named 'Steven-mobile'
14:32:09 <Zakim> -Steven
14:32:22 <Steven-mobile> zakim, dial steven-mobile
14:32:22 <Zakim> ok, Steven-mobile; the call is being made
14:32:23 <Zakim> +Steven
14:32:32 <RalphS> Mark: I've been wanting to add an abbreviation for ...
14:32:56 <MarkB_> <span ....>
14:33:11 <MarkB_>   <meta property="a:b" content="c" />
14:33:15 <MarkB_> </span>
14:33:31 <MarkB_> <span a:b="c">...</span>
14:34:05 <RalphS> Mark: this would mean every attribute in a foreign namespace would become a predicate
14:34:20 <RalphS> ... IPTC is very concerned about the size of their documents
14:34:43 <RalphS> ... a small change to a news item can add k-bytes of metadata
14:35:50 <RalphS> ... if we were to include such a feature in RDF/A then there would be no difference between the features IPTC is using and the features of RDF/A
14:35:57 <RalphS> ... but IPTC would not be using XHTML 2
14:36:11 <RalphS> ... a standard RDF/A parser would understand IPTC documents
14:38:36 <RalphS> Topic: CURIEs plural in property, rel, rev, ...
14:39:47 <RalphS> Mark: I was initially in favor but an issue was raised last time that gave me pause
14:40:30 <RalphS> ... does get difficult to read if there's a long list of space-separated values for an attribute
14:43:55 <RalphS> Next Meeting: 3 April, 1300 UTC
14:44:12 <Zakim> -Ralph
14:44:14 <Zakim> -MarkB_
14:44:19 <RalphS> [adjourned]
14:44:34 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make this record public
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14:44:50 <RalphS> zakim, drop steven
14:44:50 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
14:44:51 <Zakim> SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended
14:44:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, MarkB_, Steven
14:44:58 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:44:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
14:52:10 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben review Jeremy's actions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]
14:52:20 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben start separate mail threads on remaining discussion topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action04]
14:52:32 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben talk off-line with Jeremy about a realistic implementation schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
14:52:39 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to develop a plan for a marketing/news web site about RDF/A and send it to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
14:52:39 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to draft full response to Bjoern's 2004 email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
14:52:39 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben update his bookmarklet for XHTML mode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]
14:52:49 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy followup on HEAD about= edge case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action03]
14:52:49 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy followup with Mark on the question of multiple triples from nested meta and add to issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action01]
14:53:00 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy look into the XHTML namespace issue and write thoughts into email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action02]... next
14:53:00 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy propose wording on reification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action02]
14:53:19 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:53:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS
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