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CommentorCommentWorking Group decisionCommentor reply
LC-2902
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/8
The proposed resolution is to merge the new example. It was already merged accidentally, but we can modify the example or pull it entirely. tocheck
LC-2898 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
Refer to the technique "H80: Identifying the purpose of a link using link
text combined with the preceding heading element" at
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H80.html.

Under User Agent and Assistive Technology Support Notes, note the sentence
- 'The command to take advantage of this technique in JAWS is "JAWS KEY +
T".'

Now, Ins + T or the JAWS key + T is a command that announces the page
title, and has no bearing on this technique whatsoever. The command to be
used here is the list of headings, which is the JAWS key + F6. Consider
revising it to reflect the correct JAWS command.
Thank you for your comment. The JAWS key referenced does apply to this technique. The keystroke does trigger JAWS to announce the page title but it also then announces the heading immediately above where the user is on the page. We use this keystroke rather than the JAWS Key + F6 keystroke because the JAWS heading list doesn't provide the context for the user to be able to determine what heading section the currently focused link is within.

As a result, we will leave the technique as it currently reads. Thank you for your comment.
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LC-2882 Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl> on behalf of Accessibility Foundation (archived comment)
It seems pretty important to note that most user agents do not support navigating between headings, and not a single one support navigating frames (H70) or maps (H50). To my understanding that means that in practice none of these techniques can be relied upon except in the extremely rare situation where someone is on a closed network using Opera (which has no screen reader support as far as I’m aware). It seems to me that a warning for this would be in order.

This comment is part of the project for the Accessibility Support Database.
Thank you for your comment.
Technique H69 does note that "...techniques assume that people needing special user agents (including AT or special plug-ins) will get and be using that ...". The user agent
section also notes that most screen reader software support heading navigation. A free screen reader like NVDA can be operated with speech off and yet allow keyboard navigation
to support sighted keyboard-only users. VoiceOver can be used likewise on Mac OSX.

Technique H70 has been deprecated in the past, and is no longer included in the Techniques document.
Therefore, the Working Group believes no changes are warranted at this time to techniques H69 or H70.
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LC-2881 Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl> on behalf of Accessibility Foundation (archived comment)
This technique is a great idea, but it’s not sufficient to meet success criterion 1.4.1. There is no allowance in 1.4.1 for information to be conveyed through color alone as long as those colors have a large contrast ratio. There is simply nothing in the criterion that mentions any such thing. So even though this makes sense as a technique, this exception is not permitted by the normative part of WCAG and so it can not be considered sufficient. Since this is still a pretty good idea, it’s best to make this technique an advisory technique.

Proposed Change:
Thank you for the comment. You are correct in stating that 1.4.1 does not allow for information to be conveyed by color alone, and that is what this technique seeks to address. Using this technique, in addition to color being used to identify links from surrounding text the relative luminance difference of 3:1 or greater (paired with additional confirmation when the user tabs to or hovers over the links) allows the links to meet 1.4.1.

To help make this more clear, we are adjusting the applicability sentence from:
Colored text when color alone is used to convey information such as words that are links in a paragraph
To:
Text with links which lack decorative effects such as underlining that typically serve to help users identify links from surrounding text.

We will leave this as a sufficient technique.
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LC-2872 Carlos A Velasco <carlos.velasco@fit.fraunhofer.de> (archived comment)
Dear Shawn, dear group,

The major question that we have as developers of accessibility
evaluation tools is whether the XML source documents [1]
are also updated synchronously with this and future releases of the
techniques' documents.

It would also be very important for us to find out whether the
repository [2] can also be considered as the official techniques
repository. And whether GitHub can also be used to report issues. We
would welcome such approach to support traceability of any change.

[1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/sources/
[2] https://github.com/w3c/wcag/
--
Best Regards,

Dr Carlos A Velasco
Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology FIT
Web Compliance Center: http://imergo.com/ · http://imergo.de/
Schloss Birlinghoven, D53757 Sankt Augustin (Germany)
Tel: +49-2241-142609 · Fax: +49-2241-1442609
Carlos,
Thank you for your comment. We have moved the location of the source documents for WCAG techniques (as well as the understanding documents and the WCAG standard itself) to GitHub. This is the official repository.

These source documents are updated as part of the process of updating the public HTML versions of these documents, and thus will be in sync with the technique document releases. It is worth noting that there will also need to be at least one development branch for these documents so the main branch can represent the current public stable version and the development branch can be modified leading up to an update.

Regarding reporting issues via GitHub, people are welcome to submit issues or make modifications to the source documents on a local copy and submit pull requests. The working group will review issues and pull requests for non-editorial issues, but simple editorial pull requests may be accepted by the editors.
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LC-2897 EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org> (archived comment)
Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change):
NOTE: Below is a rough summary of EOWG participants' comments, which EOWG did not have time to polish and approve. Please see the direct perspectives archived at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/WCAG_Comments_February_2014#alt_issue>

EOWG is glad that the WCAG WG is developing more WAI-ARIA Techniques. However, in reviewing the issues around ARIA10 and F65, we have significant concerns that misunderstandings would lead to lack of appropriate alternative text for many users. Allowing aria-labeledby and not requiring the HTML alt attribute could lead to misuse of aria-labeledby when the alt attribute is a better solution.

The use cases cited and the examples in ARIA10 do not seem compelling enough balanced against the risk of misunderstandings that could lead web authors to conclude that aria-labeledby can be used interchangeably with the HTML alt attribute. Additionally, if HTML alt attributes were no longer a clear requirement, it would "muddy the water" for less careful developers and more of them would just not put any alternative text at all.

Givens: 1. aria-labeledby is not supported by the tools that many people still use today. 2. Many developers don't understand accessibility-support. 3. Some developers like to use the latest hot markup just for the sake of it. Thus a likely scenario: some developers use aria-labeledby in cases where the alt attribute is a better solution, just because it's new, and not realizing its limitations. We also find compelling that alt attributes display onscreen when images are disabled and aria attributes do not, thus the outcomes are not equivalent.

EOWG asks the WCAG WG to continue to consider how this issue is addressed. Perhaps allowing aria-labeledby instead of HTML alt attribute is not worth the risk? If the WCAG WG decides to leave ARIA10 and amend F65, we strongly urge you to provide very clear guidance about use and cautions, for example, advising authors that the alt attribute is the best solution for providing alternative text in almost all situations, and should be used whenever; and including the cautions about using aria-labeledby instead of the alt attribute. (Probably this goes in Understanding and linked to from the Techniques?)
Thank you for your comment on ARIA10 and F65.

The working group has updated ARIA10 to restrict the use of ARIA10 to situations where the element does not allow the alt attribute.

For F65, the working group has adjusted the language to allow for ARIA attributes to be used on image elements, but the test procedure explicitly calls out the need to verify that the attribute used is accessibility supported or else the failure will apply. In addition, F65 also indicates that use of the alt attribute is the preferred way of providing image accessibility to encourage its ongoing use.
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LC-2907 EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org> on behalf of Fraunhofer FIT
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/17

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F17.html and https://github.com/w3c/wcag/blob/master/wcag20/sources/failure-tech-src.xml

The expected result is formulated wrongly:

"If step #1, step #3 or step #4 is true or step #2 is false, then this failure condition applies and the content fails the success criterion."

# Proposal:

"If step #1 is true or step #2 is false or step #3 is false or step #4 is false, then this failure condition applies and the content fails the success criterion."
Thanks for your comment. As we discussed, we are moving this issue to the tracking system for issues raised by Working Group members. [1] We will address this using that process.

[1] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/37
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LC-2904 EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org> on behalf of Fraunhofer FIT
In the file:

https://github.com/w3c/wcag/blob/master/wcag20/sources/failure-tech-src.xml

i.e.:

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F17.html

"For client-side image maps, check that the value of the usemap attribute has a corresponding id value if the usemap attribute is not a URI."

According to the HTML 4.0.1 specification the usemap attribute must be an URI and must match the value of the name attribute of another map element.
Thanks for your comment. We have updated the test procedure to reflect the HTML spec correctly:

For client-side image maps, check that the value of the usemap attribute is a URI that references a valid name or id.
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LC-2901 EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/9
Accept pull request. Code change is viewable at https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/9/files tocheck
LC-2885 Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl> on behalf of Accessibility Foundation (archived comment)
This technique doesn’t test for anything specific in HTML. The proposed solution in this technique can be applied in any technology. There is actually nothing in this technique other then it’s identifier that would have to change for this technique to be a general technique. Making this a general technique would mean it would be applicable to other technologies.

This comment is part of the project for the Accessibility Support Database.
Thank you for your comment. The Working Group agrees that this technique is applicable to all technologies and will be moved to a General Technique.

This change will appear in the next public review draft.
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LC-2886 Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl> on behalf of Accessibility Foundation (archived comment)
This technique doesn’t test for anything specific to CSS. Changing the style of components on a web page using some kind of style switch can be done in any technology using the method described in this technique. Making this a general technique would mean it would be applicable to other technologies.

This comment is part of the project for the Accessibility Support Database.
Thank you for your comment. At this time the Working Group feels that this should remain a CSS technique. The Test Procedure has been updated with language specific to checking for scripting controls that allow the user to change the CSS.

This change will appear in the next public review draft.
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LC-2887 Wilco Fiers <w.fiers@accessibility.nl> on behalf of Accessibility Foundation (archived comment)
This technique doesn't test for anything specific in HTML. Many technologies can reflow the way is described in this technique. Making this a general technique would mean it would be applicable to these technologies.

This comment is part of the project for the Accessibility Support Database.
Thank you for the comment. We agree that this technique is very general and we will classify this as a general technique in the next update. tocheck
LC-2892 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
Refer to the failure technique, 'F76: Failure of Success Criterion 3.2.2
due to providing instruction material about the change of context by change
of setting in a user interface element at a location that users may bypass'
at http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F76.html.

Note the title of the failure technique and then note that the failure is
not due to providing instructional material but due to lack thereof.

Suggested change: 'F76: Failure of Success Criterion 3.2.2 due to lack of
instruction material about the change of context by change of setting in a
user interface element at a location that users may bypass.'

-Devarshi
Thanks for your comment. The Working Group agreed that the title of this failure technique is unclear, but on further reflection feels that the reason the title is not clear is because the failure technique is not clear. The key issue is that the phrase "at a location that users may bypass" is very difficult to interpret. Rather than a overly general failure technique, the working group will ensure that there are enough sufficient techniques that address this success criteria. We will remove this failure technique in the next update of the techniques. tocheck
LC-2873 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
G183: Using a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and providing
additional visual cues on focus for links or controls where color alone is
used to identify them

URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G183.html

#A. Under Note 2, where it says, "e.g., black text in a paragraph on a
white background with the links shown as one of the colors in the list
below," the sentence would be better understood when 'list' is replaced by
'examples.'
#B. Under Procedure - #1, remove the repetitive word 'used.'
Thank you for the comment. We've made changes to address your comments. tocheck
LC-2874 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
G200: Opening new windows and tabs from a link only when necessary
url: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G200.html

Under description:
A. What does 'outside of the secured scope' imply in #2?
B. 'It is recommend' should be 'It is recommended.'
Thank you for the comment. We have modified the wording of the sentence in question (changed scope to "area")

The user is logged into a secured area of a site, and following a link to a page outside of the secured area would terminate the user's logon.

We have also corrected the grammatical error mentioned in part B of your comment.

Thanks again for your comment!
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LC-2875 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
G192: Fully conforming to specifications

URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G192.html

Under Examples, correct the sentence "It is run though ..." to "It is run
through ...."
Thanks for the comment. We've fixed this as you recommend. tocheck
LC-2899 Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> (archived comment)
Refer to technique "G178: Providing controls on the Web page that allow
users to incrementally change the size of all text on the page up to 200
percent" at http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G178.html.

1. Under Description, first para, second sentence: "Many people with low
vision do not use magnifying software, and they may not be familiar with
browsers text size adjustments.." The word "browsers" is incorrectly used
here. Depending on its usage, consider replacing it with either [browsers']
or [browser's].
2. Under Description, first para, last sentence: "It may also be true of
some people with cognitive disabilities who also require increased font
size." The second occurrence of 'also' is not required.
3. Fourth para, replace 'ex' by 'e.g' and spell check 'hight'.
4. In the fifth para (sentence), spell check 'situtions.'
Thank for for the corrections, we've made changes to address your comments. tocheck
LC-2896 EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org> (archived comment)
Comment Type: editorial
Summary of Issue: minor editorial: In ARIA Techniques<http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/complete-diff.html#wai-aria_ua_suppor
Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change):
minor editorial: In ARIA Techniques<http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2014/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20140107/complete-diff.html#wai-aria_ua_support>, capitalize "W3C Recommendation" in:
"
Accessibility Support for WAI-ARIA
Using technologies in an Accessibility Supported way is required for conformance claims. Read more about Accessibility Support. The WCAG Working Group plans to review which WAI-ARIA techniques are sufficient when Accessible Rich Internet Application specifications reach W3C recommendation status. ...
Thank you for the correction, we've made the change as you suggested. yes
LC-2894 Leona Zumbo <Leona.Zumbo@visionaustralia.org> on behalf of Vision Australia (archived comment)
A number of the PDF example documents supporting the PDF techniques remain incorrect. Digital Access at Vision Australia have previously notified the W3C of the specific errors within these documents. The incorrect examples are likely to cause confusion for those that are new to implementing these techniques so we would suggest the examples are updated.
Thank you for your comment. The PDF examples are able to be updated continuously, and we have identified and repaired the issues you raised with the example files. The files are published and currently replace the files you identified as having errors. tocheck
LC-2883 Tom Siechert <tsiechert@csufresno.edu> on behalf of California State University Fresno (archived comment)
It appears that this HTML technique is a duplicate of http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20051123/#H93, however, this H93 is of a different subject matter compared to the H93 referenced in the URL above.

Proposed Change:
Change in numbering of this (or the other H93) to keep both techniques as their own separate technique.
Thank you for the comment. The technique H93 that you are referencing is from an early draft of WCAG 2.0 dating back to 2005. This technique was removed in 2006 and the H93 code was repurposed in the 2010 techniques update. We are sorry if this caused confusion, we do try to avoid re-using technique codes but since the first use was prior to WCAG 2.0 reaching Recommendation status this was not a concern in 2010 when the current version of H93 was added. We are also looking into modifying the page template for techniques to include a link to the most current version of each technique. Until this link is established, to ensure that you are reviewing the latest version of the techniques please visit the current techniques document at http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/. tocheck

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