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15:53:38 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core working group
15:53:42 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
15:53:44 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
15:53:48 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
15:57:45 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0028.html
16:00:01 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
16:00:01 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
16:00:09 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
16:00:16 <Zakim> +Felix
16:00:38 <fsasaki> zakim, drop felix
16:00:46 <Zakim> Felix is being disconnected
16:00:48 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has ended
16:00:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix
16:00:52 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
16:01:05 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
16:01:07 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
16:01:09 <Zakim> +Felix
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16:03:36 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida
16:03:36 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:03:37 <Zakim> +Ishida
16:04:01 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:04:16 <fsasaki> zakim, [IBM is Mary
16:04:16 <Zakim> +Mary; got it
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16:08:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:08:25 <fyergeau> Zakim, [ is fyergeau
16:08:25 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
16:08:49 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:08:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, Ishida, Mary, fyergeau
16:08:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see fyergeau, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
16:10:54 <fsasaki> topic: action items
16:11:16 <fsasaki> action: Felix to Ask HP AC rep about HP participation in tech plenary (DONE)
16:11:49 <fsasaki> .. but I guess too late for tech plenary, maybe we find some body in general
16:12:04 <fsasaki> action: Felix to schedule a meeting with WS folks on Thursday and Friday (DONE)
16:12:14 <fsasaki> .. but not successfuly
16:13:31 <fsasaki> .. the meeting will be on Monday / Tuesday, within the WSDL group
16:14:16 <Zakim> +Karunesh_Arora
16:14:32 <fsasaki> action: Francois to review the PLS spec (ONGOING)
16:14:53 <fsasaki> action:  all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary (ONGOING)
16:15:15 <fsasaki> action: Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in CSS (ONGOING)
16:15:36 <fsasaki> .. hope to be able to talk to them at the Unicode conference
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16:15:57 <fsasaki> action: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments (ONGOING)
16:16:22 <fsasaki> francois: that will mostly happen during the tech plenary
16:17:26 <fsasaki> action: http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews
16:17:32 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida-home
16:17:32 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:17:33 <Zakim> +Ishida
16:17:45 <Zakim> -Ishida
16:18:21 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:18:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, Mary, fyergeau, Karunesh_Arora, Ishida
16:18:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see karuneshvijay, fyergeau, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
16:18:33 <fsasaki> felix: 3 new documents:
16:18:38 <fsasaki> .. xml schema data types
16:18:43 <fsasaki> .. wsdl addr 1.0
16:18:48 <fsasaki> .. p3p 1.1
16:19:17 <fsasaki> .. http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xmlschema11-2-20060217/
16:19:27 <fsasaki> francois: real issues with xml schema data types
16:19:34 <fsasaki> .. with time and date stuff
16:20:34 <fsasaki> felix: they have taken some stuff from xquery
16:21:02 <fsasaki> francois: they have data types in different name spaces
16:21:08 <fsasaki> felix: that might be solved soon
16:22:08 <fsasaki> on p3p 1.1: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0197.html
16:22:42 <fsasaki> richard: could we get martin to review that?
16:23:00 <fsasaki> action: felix to ping martin to review p3p 1.1
16:23:38 <fsasaki> action: felix to ask mark davis to participate in the review of xml schema data types
16:24:58 <fsasaki> action: mary to review wsdl addr 1.0 http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews#ws-addr-wsdl
16:25:17 <fsasaki> francois: we should set mary as the main reviewer
16:25:20 <fsasaki> felix: will do
16:25:58 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-lang/
16:26:06 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/02/content_negotiation.html
16:26:14 <fsasaki> richard: wrote comments on this
16:26:56 <fsasaki> richard: I will ask them to get i18n review stuff by i18n geo or core people
16:27:39 <fsasaki> felix: do you want us to go through your comments and send them as core comments?
16:27:54 <fsasaki> richard: no, don't need to make this formal at this stage. I'll just copy to the list
16:28:22 <fsasaki> felix: what issues did you have with the article?
16:29:04 <fsasaki> richard: they miss a bunch of stuff about why one should use language negation
16:29:17 <fsasaki> .. and a lot of other stuff. 
16:29:59 <fsasaki> topic: css selector reviews / cdf
16:30:03 <fsasaki> felix: no update
16:30:15 <fsasaki> francois: we will meet them at the tech plenary
16:30:40 <fsasaki> .. what is open for CDF?
16:30:44 <fsasaki> felix: IRI stuff
16:30:53 <fsasaki> .. and spelling errors, we don't have to follow these
16:31:11 <fsasaki> topic: MWBP 1.0 update (from Richard)
16:31:30 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0602-mwbp10/
16:31:43 <fsasaki> richard: comment 7:
16:33:11 <fsasaki> felix: will it be o.k. to give them the comments later?
16:33:22 <fsasaki> richard: the deadline was last week
16:33:34 <fsasaki> felix: I will make the changes tomorrow
16:34:38 <fsasaki> richard: in Unicode you need more bytes for indic scripts
16:35:09 <fsasaki> .. it is a true statement, why include it here?
16:35:26 <fsasaki> francois: one point that is worth making:
16:35:37 <fsasaki> .. if you have fields with fixed length
16:35:44 <fsasaki> .. they might not be big enough
16:35:56 <fsasaki> .. if they are created for latin languages
16:37:22 <fsasaki> richard: what do you propose?
16:37:37 <fsasaki> felix: to say "take lenght issues for forms into account"
16:38:00 <fsasaki> francois: people try to take band width into account
16:38:15 <fsasaki> .. so they have to be careful of script related issues
16:39:08 <fsasaki> richard: so to say "you may want to consider special compression forms of Unicode"
16:40:10 <fsasaki> francois: an additional point: if you want to translate to a different encoding, a different bandwith might be necessary
16:42:51 <fsasaki> action: richard to try a formulation for comment 9
16:42:59 <fsasaki> felix: try s.t. before as well
16:43:21 <fsasaki> comment 10
16:43:27 <fsasaki> richard: what is the issue?
16:43:48 <fsasaki> francois: in a mobile, you might not have the option to get translations
16:43:56 <fsasaki> richard: e.g. the pull down menues
16:44:12 <fsasaki> francois: yes. it is not technically impossible, but I don't know if it exists
16:48:26 <fsasaki> felix: example of a lexicon which can only be accessed from a non-mobile HP 
16:48:56 <fsasaki> .. and as the comment: make this obvious in the comment
16:49:25 <fsasaki> richard: have a wording on it tomorrow?
16:50:08 <fsasaki> action: felix and richard to finish up mwbp comments tomorrow (richard's time)
16:50:34 <fsasaki> comment 16
16:50:58 <fsasaki> richard: we say "has to be made"
16:51:15 <fsasaki> .. how about "would be"?
16:51:18 <fsasaki> felix: o.k.
16:51:31 <fsasaki> richard: comment 24
16:51:46 <fsasaki> felix: I'll go trough it tomorrow
16:52:05 <fsasaki> comment 28
16:53:02 <fsasaki> francois: to encourage them to use standard mechanisms for lang decl?
16:53:22 <fsasaki> richard: they should point to the standard mechanisms
16:53:28 <fsasaki> francois: good thing
16:53:32 <fsasaki> .. I would add:
16:53:43 <fsasaki> .. there may be a mobile specific mean 
16:54:07 <fsasaki> .. use the standards for language, if there is s.t. else (mobile specific),  go ahead
16:54:17 <fsasaki> richard: o.k., I'll change that
16:54:29 <fsasaki> francois: use the standards as far as possible, then go behind it
16:54:35 <fsasaki> richard: last comment:
16:54:41 <fsasaki> .. encourage Unicode
16:54:53 <fsasaki> all agree on that
16:55:24 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/International/Group/2006/i18ncore-f2f-20060302-agenda.html
16:56:03 <fsasaki> francois: filled everthing, except for the last slot
16:56:13 <fsasaki> .. the slot for ws will be empty
16:56:50 <fsasaki> felix: how about using more time for charmod (norm)?
16:57:21 <fsasaki> francois: some items can be short, e.g. ltli
16:57:35 <fsasaki> .. fine everybody?
16:57:47 <fsasaki> .. 90 minutes o.k. for ws i18n?
16:58:28 <fsasaki> richard: tech plenary is very useful
16:58:38 <fsasaki> .. to talk to other groups
16:59:48 <fsasaki> .. the 4 days as i18n core
17:02:24 <fsasaki> action: felix to set up a meeting with xml core / xml schema people about charmod norm
17:03:27 <Zakim> -fyergeau
17:03:29 <Zakim> -Mary
17:11:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
17:16:54 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html
17:17:02 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/tp6groups.html
17:21:14 <Zakim> -Karunesh_Arora
17:21:26 <Zakim> -Ishida
18:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Felix, in I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM
18:05:02 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has ended
18:05:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Ishida, [IBM], Mary, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Karunesh_Arora
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