IRC log of dawg on 2006-02-21
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- 14:29:47 [LeeF]
- zakim, this will be dawg
- 14:29:47 [Zakim]
- ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
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- +??P4
- 14:30:33 [AndyS]
- zakim, ??P4 is me
- 14:30:33 [Zakim]
- +AndyS; got it
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- +[IBMCambridge]
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- +Libby_Miller
- 14:30:54 [LeeF]
- zakim, IBMCambridge is temporarily me
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- +LeeF; got it
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- +Sven_Groppe
- 14:31:49 [LeeF]
- LeeF has changed the topic to: "DAWG Weekly 21Feb. scribe: AndyS http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda"
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- +Kendall_Clark
- 14:32:00 [LeeF]
- oh yeah
- 14:32:01 [LeeF]
- :)
- 14:32:20 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 14:32:20 [Zakim]
- +Elias_Torres
- 14:32:27 [EliasT]
- Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
- 14:32:27 [Zakim]
- +EliasT; got it
- 14:33:21 [Zakim]
- +DanC
- 14:33:44 [DanC]
- agenda + Convene ... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
- 14:34:04 [DanC]
- agenda + upcoming ftf 2-3Mar
- 14:34:05 [EliasT]
- Zakim, mute me por favor
- 14:34:05 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'mute me por favor', EliasT
- 14:34:11 [DanC]
- agenda + Toward updated QL WD
- 14:34:13 [EliasT]
- Zakim, please mute me
- 14:34:13 [Zakim]
- EliasT should now be muted
- 14:34:19 [DanC]
- agenda + comments related to rdfSemantics, owlDisjunction
- 14:34:22 [ericP]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:34:22 [Zakim]
- EricP should now be muted
- 14:34:26 [DanC]
- agenda + Toward CR
- 14:34:33 [DanC]
- agenda + test suite maintenance
- 14:34:38 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 1
- 14:34:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene ... http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:34:59 [AndyS]
- Scribe: AndyS
- 14:35:06 [DanC]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0409.html
- 14:35:32 [DanC]
- Regrets: JosD, JeenB, EnricoF
- 14:35:39 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:35:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see AndyS, LeeF, Libby_Miller, Sven_Groppe, Kendall_Clark, EliasT (muted), EricP (muted), DanC
- 14:36:03 [EliasT]
- Chair: DanC
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/att-0400/14-dawg-minutes.html minutes 14 Feb
- 14:36:54 [ericP]
- 2nd
- 14:37:11 [DanC]
- RESOLVED: to approve minutes 14 Feb
- 14:37:30 [EliasT]
- Meeting: DAWG Weekly
- 14:37:44 [DanC]
- agenda + JSON serialization draft
- 14:37:50 [AndyS]
- Next meeting: F2F (W3C All Groups Meeting, Cannes, 2/3 March)
- 14:37:55 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:37:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "upcoming ftf 2-3Mar" taken up [from DanC]
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- ack ericp
- 14:38:09 [ericP]
- ack ericP
- 14:38:29 [AndyS]
- Eric: Agenda in-progress
- 14:38:49 [DanC]
- q+ re observers
- 14:38:50 [AndyS]
- Eric: 24 people registeres inc observers (14 observers)
- 14:38:56 [Zakim]
- +PatH
- 14:40:01 [AndyS]
- EricP: More of a workshop style for part of the meeting
- 14:40:15 [libby]
- q+ ask if it makes sense to join with swig for some dawgshows
- 14:40:22 [libby]
- q+ to ask if it makes sense to join with swig for some dawgshows
- 14:40:25 [AndyS]
- DanC: noted [test-dodo] items
- 14:41:01 [DanC]
- -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SwigAtTp2006 SwigAtTp2006
- 14:41:21 [DanC]
- (afternoon of which day?)
- 14:42:06 [kendallclark]
- hmm, I believe my availability to dial-in has been reduced to something approximating zero.
- 14:42:11 [AndyS]
- Next steps discussion: afternoon of Thursday
- 14:42:53 [kendallclark]
- not sure if i need to send regrets for dialing in?
- 14:43:02 [AndyS]
- or maybe Friday (SWBPD WG meeting Friday - "fairly informal")
- 14:43:02 [DanC]
- no more than you have
- 14:43:12 [kendallclark]
- 'k
- 14:43:18 [AndyS]
- KC sends regrets for F2F
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- PatH sends regrets for F2F
- 14:44:39 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:44:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Toward updated QL WD" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:44:49 [ericP]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:44:49 [Zakim]
- EricP should now be muted
- 14:44:59 [AndyS]
- DanC: Please publish message sent
- 14:45:00 [kendallclark]
- Alabama. :>
- 14:45:04 [libby]
- zakim mute me
- 14:45:11 [libby]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:45:11 [Zakim]
- Libby_Miller should now be muted
- 14:45:17 [AndyS]
- DanC: may tweak status section
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- ...should appear any time now
- 14:45:50 [AndyS]
- EricP did "EricP to fix /0 stuff in rq23"
- 14:46:07 [AndyS]
- Commets due 3 weeks yesterday (13 March)
- 14:47:13 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "comments related to rdfSemantics, owlDisjunction" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:47:29 [AndyS]
- Continue action Enrico
- 14:47:39 [AndyS]
- ACTION: Enrico to explain definitions in reply to LeeF's questions
- 14:47:58 [AndyS]
- ACTION: patH to respond to PFPS comments (pending LC publication)
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- 14:49:21 [LeeF]
- Is a *very* minor editorial comment on the current QL draft in order?
- 14:49:37 [AndyS]
- No :-) Oh all right
- 14:49:54 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:49:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Toward CR" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:50:25 [AndyS]
- ACTION: KC to update protocol references to [SRD] and WSDL
- 14:50:47 [AndyS]
- ACTION: KendallC to edit proto-wd w.r.t. decision: in case of syntax error [including extension], must return malformed query or query request refused
- 14:51:04 [DanC]
- agenda + WSD WG comments
- 14:51:07 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 8
- 14:51:07 [Zakim]
- agendum 8. "WSD WG comments" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:51:42 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Feb/0009.html RE: Belated comments on SPARQL Protocol for RDF 25 January 2006 LC WD
- 14:52:49 [ericP]
- hugo's WSDL converter does not do 2.0 to 1,1
- 14:53:32 [LeeF]
- Aye
- 14:53:33 [AndyS]
- DanC: request someone to feed our WSDL to feed woden
- 14:53:37 [LeeF]
- Sure
- 14:53:58 [DanC]
- ACTION Leef: try SPARQL WSDL files with Woden validator, report results.
- 14:54:15 [DanC]
- LeeF, be sure to include CVS version info from our WSDL files when you report results.
- 14:54:18 [LeeF]
- I'll wait until it's checked in, and once checked in I'll also update the WSDL 1.1 stuff
- 14:54:24 [AndyS]
- http://incubator.apache.org/woden/userguide.html
- 14:55:12 [DanC]
- ACTION KC: update SPARQL WSDL query operation to change name to query-request (though it may change back)
- 14:55:35 [DanC]
- Zakim, close item 8
- 14:55:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 8, WSD WG comments, closed
- 14:55:36 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:55:37 [Zakim]
- 5. Toward CR [from DanC]
- 14:56:12 [DanC]
- # ACTION: DanC to respond to major technical: underspecified errors [CONTINUES]
- 14:56:18 [DanC]
- ACTION: DanC to respond to major technical: underspecified errors [CONTINUES]
- 14:56:19 [AndyS]
- ACTION: DanC to respond to major technical: underspecified errors
- 14:56:33 [AndyS]
- ACTION: -8
- 14:56:37 [DanC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/crq349 CR request, in progress
- 14:57:48 [AndyS]
- RRSAgent, drop action 9
- 14:57:54 [AndyS]
- RRSAgent, drop action 8
- 14:58:03 [LeeF]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/crq349 search for @@hmm
- 14:59:26 [LeeF]
- I can also imagine it going to a LC and attracting a lot of comments (of the form Kendall just mentioned) :-)
- 15:00:00 [AndyS]
- Can accept and postpone straight away - input to SPARQL-2
- 15:03:16 [EliasT]
- SPARQL Protocol And RDF Query Language
- 15:03:57 [AndyS]
- DanC: currently minded not to take requirments to rec.
- 15:05:27 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: noodle on SOAP exit criteria
- 15:06:14 [AndyS]
- DanC: I do not expect to chair through the whole of the CR phase
- 15:08:37 [ericP]
- ack ericp
- 15:10:03 [DanC]
- REQUEST FOR TESTCASE: something that uses SPARQL media type in POST
- 15:10:46 [DanC]
- never mind. it uses x-www-urlencoded
- 15:11:09 [ericP]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:11:09 [Zakim]
- EricP should now be muted
- 15:13:16 [ericP]
- ack ericp
- 15:13:33 [ericP]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:13:33 [Zakim]
- EricP should now be muted
- 15:13:34 [kendallclark]
- i've heard that from people at Nokia and at my own lab, actually. :>
- 15:14:30 [DanC]
- s/satsifaction of the community./satisfaction of a critical mass of the community/
- 15:15:42 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:15:42 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 15:16:38 [kendallclark]
- erp, i'm actually convinced by those objections now. :<
- 15:17:52 [ericP]
- kendallclark, yeah, you noted an interest in 4-ary querying in your SPARQLNextSteps response
- 15:18:11 [kendallclark]
- yep, that's exactly what I'm convinced by now.
- 15:18:46 [kendallclark]
- FROM/FROM NAMED seem a far too coarse way of doing that when we have a formalism for doing it more finely grained that does *not* involve web-arch issues.
- 15:18:51 [AndyS]
- (review of CR draft)
- 15:19:06 [ericP]
- i note that this came *from* timbl's comment
- 15:20:24 [DanC]
- Hayes: "defns are unnecessarily complicated"
- 15:20:25 [kendallclark]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:20:25 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 15:22:59 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 15:22:59 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Toward CR" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:23:04 [DanC]
- Zakim, close item 5
- 15:23:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 5, Toward CR, closed
- 15:23:05 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 15:23:06 [Zakim]
- 6. test suite maintenance [from DanC]
- 15:23:30 [ericP]
- ack ericP
- 15:23:38 [AndyS]
- ACTION: JosD to make test case from [19]Sergio's basic query patterns examples.
- 15:23:42 [ericP]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/20060118004002.GC12293@w3.org
- 15:23:48 [AndyS]
- ACTION: EricP to fix test schema to match manifest with negative tests [recorded in [21]09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
- 15:23:57 [AndyS]
- ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple
- 15:24:05 [AndyS]
- ACTION: DaveB add to test suite the temperature case from comment on truth tables in [22]commentor's message
- 15:24:12 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 2
- 15:24:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "upcoming ftf 2-3Mar" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:24:28 [AndyS]
- Friday PM : test suite maintenance
- 15:25:07 [EliasT]
- I'd like to join that, hopefully we can have one schema for both language and protocol.
- 15:25:22 [EliasT]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:25:22 [Zakim]
- EliasT should no longer be muted
- 15:25:31 [EliasT]
- I will be there.
- 15:26:01 [LeeF]
- Libby is on the queue
- 15:26:02 [LeeF]
- No?
- 15:26:08 [DanC]
- ack libby
- 15:26:09 [Zakim]
- libby, you wanted to ask if it makes sense to join with swig for some dawgshows
- 15:26:12 [LeeF]
- Oh
- 15:26:13 [LeeF]
- :)
- 15:26:15 [LeeF]
- Nevermind
- 15:26:18 [libby]
- sorry I'm muted!
- 15:26:21 [libby]
- q-
- 15:26:27 [DanC]
- ADJOURN.
- 15:26:45 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:26:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-dawg-minutes.html DanC
- 15:26:51 [EliasT]
- did we talk about JSON?
- 15:26:52 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 15:26:54 [patH]
- patH has left #dawg
- 15:26:58 [DanC]
- agenda?
- 15:27:15 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 7
- 15:27:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "JSON serialization draft" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:27:23 [EliasT]
- http://www.mindswap.org/~kendall/sparql-results-json/
- 15:27:28 [ericP]
- AndyS, http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-dawg-minutes is now public
- 15:27:57 [AndyS]
- Got it.
- 15:28:12 [EliasT]
- http://sparql.org/sparql?query=PREFIX+books%3A+++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fexample.org%2Fbook%2F%3E%0D%0APREFIX+dc%3A++++++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Felements%2F1.1%2F%3E%0D%0ASELECT+%3Fbook+%3Ftitle+WHERE+%7B+%3Fbook+dc%3Atitle+%3Ftitle+%7D%0D%0A&default-graph-uri=http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-tests/data/select/simple-data.rdf&accept=application/sparql-results%2Bjson
- 15:28:32 [AndyS]
- Please add ARQ/Joseki to the impls.
- 15:29:57 [EliasT]
- HP is omniscient
- 15:34:19 [kendallclark]
- i like both ideas, elias, precisely for the 'small, puny client' design space
- 15:35:12 [LeeF]
- there's an obvious bridge there though, i.e. dereferencing the name using a well-understood protocol handler
- 15:35:15 [AndyS]
- example: FROM <data:someGraph>
- 15:35:21 [kendallclark]
- bingo
- 15:35:43 [AndyS]
- Maybe able to add that.
- 15:35:48 [EliasT]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data:_URL
- 15:36:12 [ericP]
- [[
- 15:36:14 [ericP]
- The FROM NAMED syntax suggests that the IRI identifies the corresponding graph, but actually the relationship between a URI and a graph in an RDF dataset is indirect. the IRI identifies a resource, and the resource is represented by a graph (or, more precisely: by a document that serializes a graph).
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- ]]
- 15:36:35 [LeeF]
- safe URL characters :)
- 15:36:47 [EliasT]
- date.replace(" ","")
- 15:36:59 [EliasT]
- escape(data)
- 15:37:01 [AndyS]
- .replace("%20", " ")
- 15:37:12 [EliasT]
- encodeURIComponent(data)
- 15:37:26 [Zakim]
- -Kendall_Clark
- 15:37:57 [EliasT]
- AndyS, is data: support coming on ARQ/Jena?
- 15:38:10 [EliasT]
- soon :-)
- 15:38:17 [AndyS]
- Not yet.
- 15:38:34 [EliasT]
- I might have to code a quick LocatorData :-)
- 15:38:37 [LeeF]
- with arbitrarily long URIs, right, Elias? :p
- 15:38:42 [AndyS]
- The cost is ... related to "beer" (or wine, as we are invFrance)
- 15:39:00 [EliasT]
- or the pay? cough. cough.
- 15:39:20 [EliasT]
- AndyS, we need tokens to bypass the 50K limit.
- 15:39:21 [AndyS]
- "Small beer" - I'm paid in the UK :-)
- 15:39:21 [DanC]
- { <erics-foaf> sparql:names ?G } <=> { <erics-foaf> webarch:identifies [ webarch:representation ?G ] }
- 15:40:17 [AndyS]
- I'll try to add it ASAP. Not sure Locator will hack it - yes it will - returns a stream to its own bytes. What a hack!
- 15:40:36 [Zakim]
- -Libby_Miller
- 15:40:46 [LeeF]
- To add data: support to Jena
- 15:41:08 [AndyS]
- Why over 50K? (not in a data URI please!)
- 15:42:24 [ericP]
- DanC, on the right side of the <=> i see three nodes. which of them goes into SELECT * FROM NAMED ??? ?
- 15:43:06 [DanC]
- <erics-foaf> and ?G
- 15:43:26 [LeeF]
- thanks, AndyS
- 15:43:27 [ericP]
- either of them works? that's odd
- 15:43:32 [Zakim]
- -DanC
- 15:43:35 [DanC]
- huh? no; each of them has a position
- 15:43:36 [Zakim]
- -EricP
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- -EliasT
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- -PatH
- 15:43:44 [Zakim]
- -Sven_Groppe
- 15:43:48 [SvenGroppe]
- SvenGroppe has left #dawg
- 15:44:01 [DanC]
- SELECT * FROM NAMED <erics-foaf> # results in a dataset with (<erics-foaf>, G1) in its dataset
- 15:44:10 [AndyS]
- AndyS has left #dawg
- 15:44:14 [Zakim]
- -AndyS
- 15:44:38 [DanC]
- where G1 is some graph derived from a representation [ is webarch:identifies of "http://...erics-foaf" ]
- 15:44:50 [Zakim]
- -LeeF
- 15:44:51 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
- 15:44:52 [DanC]
- (the <=> rule above has a use/mention bug)
- 15:44:53 [Zakim]
- Attendees were AndyS, Libby_Miller, LeeF, Sven_Groppe, Kendall_Clark, EricP, EliasT, DanC, PatH
- 15:45:44 [ericP]
- and which of <erics-foaf>, G1 will be the graph identifier in the GRAPH ??? graph patterns?
- 15:46:00 [ericP]
- it sounds like G1
- 15:46:25 [ericP]
- but that leaves an odd conundrum when writing the queries:
- 15:47:01 [ericP]
- SELECT * FROM NAMED <erics-foaf> WHERE { GRAPH G1 { ?s ?p ?o } }
- 15:47:07 [DanC]
- "http://...erics-foaf" will be the identifier in GRAPH ?? patterns.
- 15:48:42 [ericP]
- i think i meant G1, per
- 15:48:44 [ericP]
- 2006-02-21T15:44:01Z <DanC> SELECT * FROM NAMED <erics-foaf> # results in a dataset with (<erics-foaf>, G1) in its dataset
- 15:49:26 [DanC]
- rather: with ("http://...erics-foaf", G1) in its dataset
- 15:51:49 [DanC]
- let { ?URI sparql:names ?GRAPH } mean: SELECT * FROM NAMED ?URI results in a dataset including (?URI, ?GRAPH). Then { ?URI sparql:names ?GRAPH } <=> { [ log:uri ?URI] log:semantics ?GRAPH }.
- 15:52:25 [DanC]
- where log:uri is, roughly, owl:inverseOf webarch:identifies
- 15:52:43 [DanC]
- and log:semantics is, roughly, webarch:representation (+ RDF parsing)
- 15:53:29 [DanC]
- does that make sense? (starting with let { ...)
- 16:04:26 [ericP]
- DanC, need to run off. read back and continue in 1.5 hr
- 16:04:58 [DanC]
- ok. hasta.
- 16:05:22 [ericP]
- now i need to find the chairs of SWIG and SWBP so i can send out a proposed agenda ebfore i leave
- 16:05:34 [ericP]
- 2 chairs for SWIG, 1 for SWBP, iirc
- 16:06:37 [ericP]
- only danbri listed for SWIG. weak
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- 17:12:28 [DanC]
- ugh. bunch of broken links in rq23
- 17:49:59 [AndyS]
- Serious breaks?
- 17:55:37 [DanC]
- serious enough to stop publication. You're copied on the webmaster's reply of 21 Feb 2006 11:55:00 -0500
- 17:55:55 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/defn_SPARQLQueryString
- 17:55:55 [DanC]
- What to do: The link is broken. Fix it NOW!
- 17:55:55 [DanC]
- Response status code: 404
- 17:56:06 [DanC]
- I wonder if I introduced that one
- 17:56:16 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/parsers/
- 17:56:16 [DanC]
- What to do: The link is forbidden! This needs fixing. Usual suspects: a missing index.html or Overview.html, or a missing ACL.
- 17:56:16 [DanC]
- ugh.
- 17:56:29 [DanC]
- I'm pretty sure I didn't do this one:
- 17:56:29 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/rHEX
- 17:56:29 [DanC]
- What to do: The link is broken. Fix it NOW!
- 17:56:49 [AndyS]
- I'll look at it now.
- 17:57:06 [DanC]
- if you fix in rq23, I can apply patches to /TR/
- 17:57:07 [AndyS]
- Shoudl I change rq23?
- 17:57:19 [DanC]
- yes
- 17:57:37 [AndyS]
- And it has to be propagted to the publishable version by you?
- 17:58:27 [AndyS]
- It's just a missing # - one occurence
- 18:03:24 [DanC]
- has to be propagated by somebody; I doubt you have CVS write access, though you're welcome to try. You could ask Matthew to apply some patches. I can probably get to it later today, though
- 18:04:03 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #dawg
- 18:05:18 [ericP]
- AndyS, where'd you get to on rq23 b0rken links?
- 18:05:49 [AndyS]
- One moment - running the validator
- 18:06:25 [ericP]
- standing by to apply patches
- 18:08:24 [AndyS]
- There is an href="rHEX" which should be href="#rHEX" (one times)
- 18:08:40 [AndyS]
- Quite a few more - give me some time.
- 18:09:24 [ericP]
- roger
- 18:09:41 [AndyS]
- href="#defn_SPARQLQueryString" - # missing (x1)
- 18:09:53 [ericP]
- standing by in a doing-day-job-at-the-same-time way
- 18:11:21 [AndyS]
- WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/parsers/ needs an index.html - no - gets 403 so I presume its OK really
- 18:12:15 [AndyS]
- In CVS log: http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130065250.GC30250@w3.org - a message from you about xsd:string/simple literal
- 18:13:28 [ericP]
- huh. will look for it
- 18:14:34 [AndyS]
- Don't understand "There are broken fragments which must be fixed." then long, long list of lines
- 18:15:48 [ericP]
- below there should be a list of the fragments in question
- 18:18:38 [AndyS]
- They don't align.
- 18:19:42 [AndyS]
- Can you fix rHEX, defn_ and your email then rerun the validator? I'll do an HTML validation in case the link checker is confused by errors.
- 18:20:29 [ericP]
- on it...
- 18:20:44 [ericP]
- xsd:string link should be http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130065250.GC30250@w3.org
- 18:20:57 [ericP]
- sorry, http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130195040.GB31232@w3.org
- 18:21:25 [AndyS]
- I'll change rq23.
- 18:22:32 [AndyS]
- If rq23 == the WD draft?
- 18:22:40 [AndyS]
- Is rq23 byte== the WD draft?
- 18:23:20 [ericP]
- ahh, doubt it
- 18:24:21 [ericP]
- i tend to edit in place (ensuring that WD 1.1 byte== rq23 1.???) but danc likes to keep rq23 from lying about what it is
- 18:24:39 [AndyS]
- It's XHTML strict
- 18:24:46 [ericP]
- i will do a CVS diff of all the fixes and apply it to the WD
- 18:25:12 [AndyS]
- Linkchecking rq23 ...
- 18:25:31 [DanC]
- since I'm doing this publication, indeed, rq23 will not lie about itself.
- 18:26:00 [AndyS]
- 3 patches so far:
- 18:26:14 [AndyS]
- 1/ href="rHEX" => href="#rHEX"
- 18:26:31 [AndyS]
- 2/ href="defn_SPARQLQueryString" => href="#defn_SPARQLQueryString"
- 18:26:56 [AndyS]
- 3/ CVS log at xsd:string/ ==> http://www.w3.org/mid/20051130195040.GB31232@w3.org
- 18:27:29 [ericP]
- .
- 18:27:42 [ericP]
- roger. will try to apply the cvs diffs
- 18:27:46 [AndyS]
- "Broken fragments and their line numbers" - the refs seem to be right - is this a linkcheck effect?
- 18:28:33 [DanC]
- ew... line number mismatches. what a pain
- 18:28:41 [AndyS]
- Seem to refer to valid # refs e.g. http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil
- 18:28:54 [DanC]
- most of the link problems should show up if you run the linkchecker on rq23 itself
- 18:30:31 [AndyS]
- ACL problem : fixed : http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/sparql-defns.html
- 18:30:41 [ericP]
- i recall something funny about #nil from the last pub
- 18:30:59 [ericP]
- s/recall something/recall that there was something/
- 18:31:42 [AndyS]
- checking : defn_BGPequiv ...
- 18:31:58 [AndyS]
- Need to merge the two <a id=> as :
- 18:32:05 [AndyS]
- <p><b>Definition:</b> <a name="defn_BGPequiv">Basic Graph Pattern equivalence</a></p>
- 18:35:06 [AndyS]
- Rechecking ...
- 18:40:31 [AndyS]
- No red in summary. Just "Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!" which I don't understand as it looks right (and does not appear in the table)
- 18:44:10 [AndyS]
- OK - assuming I'm done now.
- 18:44:25 [AndyS]
- Will be online later on
- 18:56:58 [ericP]
- updated. off to buy beer. work on rq23 upon successful completion of that mission
- 19:22:48 [AndyS]
- AndyS has joined #dawg
- 19:24:20 [AndyS]
- Back - how are those #refs from the link checker?
- 19:34:20 [DanC]
- AndyS, I see ericP claimed victory. Hmm... I'm 4 min late for my next telcon. Maybe I'll pass on that one.
- 19:34:55 [ericP]
- claimed victory?
- 19:36:48 [DanC]
- <ericP> updated. off to buy beer. work on rq23 upon successful completion of that mission
- 19:36:58 [DanC]
- oh... I read "successful completion" too quickly
- 19:37:06 [ericP]
- yes, i have beer
- 19:37:15 [DanC]
- I think I'll join you... brb...
- 19:37:19 [ericP]
- and i can prove it
- 19:38:17 [DanC]
- now *there*s a turing test... prove you have beer, over IRC
- 19:38:39 [ericP]
- now jump up and down. what's your stomach feel like?
- 19:39:02 [ericP]
- how intelligent does a person have to be to pass a turing test?
- 19:39:30 [DanC]
- I bet my beer's cheaper than yours.
- 19:39:48 [DanC]
- Milwaukee's best. aka the beast. $5.50/12-pack
- 19:40:25 [ericP]
- but mine has more trappist monk elbow greese in it
- 19:41:28 [ericP]
- any reason not to add a trailing slash to http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-vcard-rdf-20010222 ?
- 19:41:45 [ericP]
- i can't think of any, but wonder if someone had a good reason for leaving it off
- 19:41:45 [DanC]
- because the title page of that note gives a uri with no trailing /
- 19:41:53 [ericP]
- aha. see?
- 19:42:17 [DanC]
- it doesn't matter a whole lot. but I prefer that if a doc says "this is my URI" that we take it at its word
- 19:44:36 [ericP]
- i think the linkchecker gives an error on http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil because it doesn't know how to resolve application/rdf+xml fragments
- 19:45:09 [DanC]
- yeah... why do we link to that?
- 19:45:29 [ericP]
- [[
- 19:45:30 [ericP]
- The form <code>()</code> is an alternative for the IRI <code>rdf:nil</code>
- 19:45:31 [ericP]
- which is <code><a href="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil>">http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil</a></code>.
- 19:45:34 [ericP]
- ]]
- 19:46:08 [DanC]
- seems like just mentioning that URI would have been enough, but OK
- 19:46:17 [ericP]
- it's a rendered (in your face) URL in the text
- 19:46:39 [DanC]
- yes, the in-your-face-ness is necessary. the link... is ok, I guess
- 19:48:26 [DanC]
- $ patch Overview.html <~/w3ccvs/WWW/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/,link-fixes
- 19:48:31 [DanC]
- Hunk #6 FAILED at 6270.
- 19:49:12 [DanC]
- ah... that's the CVS log
- 19:49:56 [ericP]
- i just commited 1.651 . is that in your patch set?
- 19:50:07 [DanC]
- hmm... if we were using one of the modern version control systems (hg in particular), this would be easier.
- 19:50:44 [DanC]
- no, I'm only up to 1.650 so far...
- 19:51:49 [ericP]
- oops, 651 includes http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-vcard-rdf-20010222/ , which i had written down before you noted that they elide the trailing link in the spec
- 19:51:59 [ericP]
- worth another pass?
- 19:52:12 [DanC]
- saw that trailing / ; applied it.
- 19:52:39 [ericP]
- other than that, it's set to go (once we convince that http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil is a valid uriref)
- 19:53:02 [DanC]
- I'll note #nil in mail to webreq
- 19:53:14 [DanC]
- can you stand by while I note issues#rdfSemantics in SOTD?
- 19:54:06 [ericP]
- sure
- 19:54:16 [ericP]
- i noted #nil in the last go-round, btw
- 19:56:05 [DanC]
- so... if somebody stopped you in the hall and asked you why we're doing this WD, what would you say?
- 19:58:30 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/ v v 1.8 2006/02/21 19:57:49
- 19:58:33 [DanC]
- pls review SOTD
- 19:58:51 [DanC]
- oh... say... what did you guys do about an index.html for /parsers/ ?
- 19:58:55 [DanC]
- anything?
- 19:59:24 [DanC]
- hmm... no changes in rq23/parsers/
- 19:59:44 [LeeF]
- It looks good to me, DanC
- 19:59:58 [DanC]
- v1.8 that is, Leef?
- 20:00:01 [DanC]
- LeeF
- 20:00:24 [LeeF]
- double checking
- 20:00:33 [LeeF]
- yes
- 20:01:23 [ericP]
- i see no index.html
- 20:01:41 [DanC]
- $ (echo <ul>; for i in *.* do; echo "<li><a href='$i'>$i</a></li>"; done)
- 20:01:53 [DanC]
- why am I getting: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
- 20:02:25 [DanC]
- aha...
- 20:03:01 [LeeF]
- quote the first <ul>?
- 20:03:24 [LeeF]
- also, you're missing a </ul> :-)
- 20:03:35 [DanC]
- I'm gonna pipe it into tidy
- 20:03:48 [DanC]
- $ (echo "<ul>"; for i in *.* do; echo "<li><a href='$i'>$i</a></li>"; done)
- 20:03:48 [DanC]
- bash: syntax error near unexpected token `echo'
- 20:03:50 [DanC]
- hmm
- 20:04:43 [DanC]
- $ (echo "<ul>"; for i in *.*; do echo "<li><a href="$i">$i</a></li>"; done;)
- 20:04:45 [ericP]
- s/do;/; do/
- 20:04:51 [ericP]
- beat me
- 20:05:07 [DanC]
- I use to sit next to tchrist. "csh considered harmful" is not just an essay; it's a way of life ;-)
- 20:05:34 [LeeF]
- ah well, i've just never broken the habit... and i do my shell scripting in perl anyway :)
- 20:06:06 [DanC]
- perl is better indeed... I wonder why my sh muscle flexed before my perl muscle in this case
- 20:06:45 [AndyS]
- Bourne shell is the true shell - csh is the road to ... well - Berkeley actually.
- 20:07:16 [DanC]
- chuckle
- 20:07:26 [DanC]
- DataAccess/rq23/parsers/index.html,v <-- index.html
- 20:07:26 [DanC]
- initial revision: 1.1
- 20:08:05 [DanC]
- TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/parsers/index.html,v <-- index.html
- 20:08:05 [DanC]
- initial revision: 1.1
- 20:08:19 [LeeF]
- I can think of worse places to end up than Berkeley. (*stares out the window at Winter.*)
- 20:08:40 [DanC]
- still getting error in defns... Lines
- 20:08:40 [DanC]
- defn_BGPequivlines 236, 238
- 20:08:51 [ericP]
- LeeF, you're in Berkeley CA?
- 20:08:53 [DanC]
- i.e. in http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/sparql-defns.html
- 20:08:59 [LeeF]
- no, i'm in Cambridge, MA
- 20:09:07 [LeeF]
- I long for the "winters" of Berkeley
- 20:09:15 [AndyS]
- It's just up the road from here. It has a castle.
- 20:09:19 [DanC]
- ericp, I just finished my beer. I don't like to drink alone. will you join me in another?
- 20:09:29 [ericP]
- good. no missed geeking opportunity (i was in CA last week)
- 20:09:45 [ericP]
- DanC, .5 way into 2nd, but hugo helping me
- 20:09:46 [DanC]
- do you have that PathCross demo working yet, LeeF ? ;-)
- 20:09:51 [ericP]
- so hard to calibrate
- 20:10:06 [DanC]
- somebody fix sparql-defns.html for me? Andy?
- 20:10:15 [LeeF]
- If I answer "yes", are you going to ask to see it?
- 20:10:19 [LeeF]
- :)
- 20:10:25 [ericP]
- but please, join us in a fine trappist ale or whatever you have on hand
- 20:10:32 [LeeF]
- We're starting less ambitious.
- 20:10:49 [LeeF]
- Integrating data from upcoming.org with ical-2-rdf data and maybe throwing in some FOAF for good measure
- 20:11:40 [AndyS]
- Looking at sparql-defs ...
- 20:11:55 [ericP]
- DanC, make defns.html did somehting on my box, but i presume that's not helpful
- 20:12:42 [DanC]
- see andy's reply to my publication request
- 20:13:46 [DanC]
- (for those following at home, it's copied to w3c-archive)
- 20:15:13 [AndyS]
- fixing ...
- 20:16:08 [AndyS]
- .. fixed
- 20:16:34 [SteveH]
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- 20:17:01 [AndyS]
- Will it check in - it was a temp tidy that I had to use for those that wanted defns all in one place.
- 20:17:30 [DanC]
- at your earliest convenience, AndyS
- 20:17:38 [DanC]
- we just need the output, for now
- 20:17:50 [AndyS]
- Tomorrow - its' at work and I'm not.
- 20:18:12 [AndyS]
- I just hand edited the file by taking the correct bit from rq23
- 20:18:18 [AndyS]
- Hi Steve
- 20:18:27 [SteveH]
- Hi Andy
- 20:18:39 [DanC]
- ah... this is a dup anchor. I have it in an emacs buffer, but I'll stand by for Andy's commit for a bit
- 20:19:15 [DanC]
- SteveH, have I thanked you for editing the SPARQL test suite to date? Thanks! (again, perhaps)
- 20:19:26 [AndyS]
- Is done.
- 20:19:27 [DanC]
- I'm curious about your interest in doing so going forward.
- 20:19:39 [DanC]
- P sparql-defns.html
- 20:20:08 [SteveH]
- DanC, my pleasure, not that I've really done much
- 20:20:34 [SteveH]
- DanC, on the subject, I probably need to get someone else to take over, ive taken a new job recently and i'm very short of time
- 20:20:43 [DanC]
- eek!
- 20:20:54 [SteveH]
- I should mail the list with my (pending) change of affilition too
- 20:21:21 [DanC]
- you've got me curious. Where are you headed?
- 20:21:24 [libby]
- steveH, where to?
- 20:22:09 [SteveH]
- DanC, I'm working for a startup, thier not W3C members yet, cos I havent done the paperwork, but will be ASAP
- 20:22:24 [DanC]
- hmm... what is examples.html ? are we publishing that? the link checker is complaining
- 20:22:47 [DanC]
- ooh... bitten by the start-up bug. Whee!
- 20:23:35 [DanC]
- Revision 1.592 2005/12/16 23:05:15 eric + added examples.css for <a href="examples.html">examples document</a> <- I propose to strike that link
- 20:25:00 [DanC]
- struck in v 1.9 2006/02/21 20:24:46
- 20:25:31 [DanC]
- round N+1 with the link checker... http://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20060220/&recursive=on
- 20:26:38 [DanC]
- re not done much... well, SteveH , as far as I can remember, you did everything you said you would do. entirely reliable.
- 20:27:41 [SteveH]
- I hope I did what I said, I hate letting people down, but I have a terrible memory
- 20:27:43 [DanC]
- ok, all thumbs up from the link checker, save http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#nil , which is not our fault. sending again...
- 20:30:29 [DanC]
- webreq sent, again.
- 20:37:41 [AndyS]
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- 20:42:19 [SteveH]
- whats the URL for the Mar 2-3 all hands stuff? I can remember if I registered
- 20:43:51 [DanC]
- registration is http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TP2006/ ; ericp hasn't made an ftf page, though he emailed an agenda update today
- 20:44:20 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TP2006/registrants#dawg does *not* show you registered to attend
- 20:47:36 [SteveH]
- thanks, just registering
- 21:19:01 [SteveH]
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- 21:43:16 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: SPARQL QL 20 Feb released; joins SPARQL Protocol at last call. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/
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