IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-02-16

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19:48:01 [ben]: RRSagent, do not start a new log
19:48:08 [ben]: Zakim, list conferences
19:48:08 [Zakim]: I see XML_EXI()1:30PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, SVG_WG()2:00PM active
19:48:09 [Zakim]: also scheduled at this time is XML_XSLWG(FOCR)2:00PM
19:48:15 [ben]: zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:48:15 [Zakim]: ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
19:48:36 [ben]: RRSAgent, make log world
19:48:49 [ben]: Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
19:49:23 [ben]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0313.html
19:49:34 [ben]: Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
19:49:51 [ben]: agenda+ Draft Techniques and proposals for Guideline 3.2 from 02 February
19:49:58 [ben]: agenda+ GL 1.3 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)
19:50:09 [ben]: agenda+ GL 2.4 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)
19:50:17 [ben]: agenda+ GL 3.1 Techniques and Issues (Feb 9)
19:50:27 [ben]: agenda+ Glossary Issues
19:50:36 [ben]: agenda+ Team C Proposals week of February 13 2006
19:50:43 [ben]: agenda+ Guideline 1.1 Techniques (16 February)
19:51:03 [ben]: agenda+ GL 2.4 Issues and Techniques (Feb 16)
19:51:14 [ben]: agenda+ SC 1.3.1 Techniques (Feb 16)
19:51:25 [ben]: RRSAgent, pointer?
19:51:25 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-irc#T19-51-25
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19:53:08 [bengt]: hi everyone
19:53:15 [rscano]: hi bengt
19:53:20 [rscano]: i'm back with dsl now :)
19:53:25 [bengt]: great
19:53:34 [bengt]: what kind ?
19:53:50 [bengt]: I got 10mbit both ways :)
19:54:10 [rscano]: 4mbit :P
19:54:18 [bengt]: zakim, list conferences
19:54:18 [Zakim]: I see XML_EXI()1:30PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, SVG_WG()2:00PM active
19:54:21 [Zakim]: also scheduled at this time are XML_XSLWG(FOCR)2:00PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
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19:54:46 [bengt]: hi yvette
19:54:54 [rscano]: hi Yvette
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19:57:15 [ben]: Regrets: Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Castaldo, Luca_Mascaro
19:58:42 [ben]: zakim, who is on the phone?
19:58:42 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has not yet started, ben
19:58:43 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Makoto, sorcha, Christophe, Yvette, bengt, RRSAgent, Zakim, rscano, judy, ben
19:59:52 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
19:59:59 [Zakim]: +David_MacDonald
20:00:24 [Sofia]: Sofia has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:35 [gregg]: gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:00:40 [Zakim]: +Christophe_Strobbe
20:00:44 [Zakim]: +Yvette_Hoitink
20:00:47 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:00:51 [Zakim]: +??P30
20:00:58 [bengt]: zakim,??P30 is Bengt_Farre
20:00:58 [Zakim]: +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:01:01 [Zakim]: +Alex_Li
20:01:13 [Zakim]: +??P6
20:01:24 [sorcha]: Sorcha Moore segala
20:01:26 [Zakim]: +Sofia_Celic
20:01:33 [Christophe]: zakim, IPCaller is Sorcha_Moore
20:01:33 [Zakim]: +Sorcha_Moore; got it
20:01:45 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:02:01 [rscano]: zakim, [IPcaller] is rscano
20:02:01 [Zakim]: +rscano; got it
20:02:03 [Zakim]: +John_Slatin
20:02:08 [Yvette]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:08 [Zakim]: On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, ??P6, Sofia_Celic (muted), rscano, John_Slatin
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20:02:22 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:02:23 [Zakim]: +??P34
20:02:24 [Makoto]: zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
20:02:24 [Zakim]: +Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:02:25 [rscano]: zakim, I am rscano
20:02:25 [Zakim]: ok, rscano, I now associate you with rscano
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20:02:38 [rscano]: zakim, mute me
20:02:38 [Zakim]: rscano should now be muted
20:02:45 [Yvette]: zakim, ??P6 is Cynthia_Shelley
20:02:45 [Zakim]: +Cynthia_Shelley; got it
20:02:46 [Zakim]: +Tim_Boland
20:03:07 [Zakim]: +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:15 [Yvette]: zakim, who's on the phone?
20:03:15 [Zakim]: On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelley, Sofia_Celic (muted), rscano (muted), John_Slatin,
20:03:18 [Zakim]: ... Makoto_Ueki, ??P34, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:34 [ben]: zakim, ??P34 is probably Gregg_and_Ben
20:03:34 [Zakim]: +Gregg_and_Ben?; got it
20:03:48 [Zakim]: +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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20:05:07 [ben]: scribe: ben
20:05:14 [ben]: agenda?
20:05:26 [ben]: zakim, take up agendum 1
20:05:28 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
20:05:35 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "Draft Techniques and proposals for Guideline 3.2 from 02 February" taken up [from ben]
20:05:38 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:05:52 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
20:05:52 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:06:27 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:06:32 [rellero]: zakim, [IP is rellero
20:06:32 [Zakim]: +rellero; got it
20:06:36 [rellero]: zakim, mute me
20:06:36 [Zakim]: rellero should now be muted
20:06:44 [Yvette]: q+ to ask "hemisphere?"
20:06:59 [ben]: zakim, rellero is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:59 [Zakim]: +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:09:08 [Makoto]: Makoto has left #wai-wcag
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20:09:22 [rscano]: zakim, rscano is Roberto_Scano
20:09:22 [Zakim]: +Roberto_Scano; got it
20:10:25 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:10:26 [Makoto]: zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
20:10:27 [Zakim]: +Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:11:16 [Zakim]: -Roberto_Ellero
20:11:51 [ben]: ack yvette
20:11:51 [Zakim]: Yvette, you wanted to ask "hemisphere?"
20:12:02 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
20:12:03 [rellero]: 04 01zakim, [IP is rellero
20:12:08 [rellero]: 04 01zakim, [IP is rellero
20:12:12 [rscano]: What about Venice? :)))
20:12:23 [rellero]: zakim, mute me
20:12:23 [Zakim]: sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'rellero'
20:12:32 [rellero]: 04 01zakim, [IP is roberto_ellero
20:12:45 [rellero]: 04 01zakim, [IP is _rellero
20:12:47 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
20:12:47 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:13:00 [rellero]: 04 01zakim, [IP is Roberto_Ellero
20:13:29 [rellero]: zakim, rellero is Roberto_Ellero
20:13:29 [Zakim]: sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named 'rellero'
20:14:08 [ben]: zakim, who is on the phone?
20:14:08 [Zakim]: On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelley, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted),
20:14:11 [Zakim]: ... John_Slatin, Makoto_Ueki, Gregg_and_Ben?, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki.a, [IPcaller]
20:14:47 [rellero]: zakim, [IPcaller] is rellero
20:14:47 [Zakim]: +rellero; got it
20:14:55 [rellero]: zakim, mute me
20:14:55 [Zakim]: rellero should now be muted
20:15:45 [ben]: ack tim
20:17:09 [Zakim]: -Makoto_Ueki
20:22:03 [ben]: resolution: accept unanimous and unanimous with comments items - Proposed revisions to SC 3.2.2, Issue 974, Issue 1596, Issue 1847, Issue 717, Issue 1033, Issue 1844, Issue 1572, Issue 386, Using both keyboard and other device-specific functions, Failure due to using script to remove focus when focus is received
20:22:14 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to opening a new window as soon as a new page is loaded
20:22:21 [ben]: q?
20:22:23 [ben]: ack alex
20:23:07 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
20:23:07 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:23:29 [Yvette]: q+ to ask "Gregg, could you speak up?"
20:28:30 [Yvette]: ack y
20:28:30 [Zakim]: Yvette, you wanted to ask "Gregg, could you speak up?"
20:29:04 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
20:29:04 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:38:19 [ben]: ack John
20:40:05 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
20:40:05 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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20:41:06 [David_MacDonald]: q+
20:42:02 [ben]: action 1 = team a to consider new title and description revisions to ensure that it does not cover purposeful (user-initiated) opening of multiple windows.
20:42:11 [David_MacDonald]: q-
20:42:34 [ben]: Topic: Presenting navigational components in the same relative order each time they appear
20:47:24 [ben]: resolved, remove technique, "Presenting navigational components in the same relative order each time they appear" and combine with more general technique about repeated components
20:47:53 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to using different text alternatives for components with identical functions
20:48:14 [Zakim]: +Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:49:00 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages
20:52:14 [ben]: ack John
20:53:07 [Yvette]: q+
20:53:12 [Zakim]: -Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:53:23 [Yvette]: q-
20:53:27 [Zakim]: +Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:53:43 [ben]: action: alex to send gregg example regarding print invoice vs. print receipt, gregg to include in draft, "Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages"
20:54:04 [ben]: resolution: accept propsoed technique, "Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages"
20:54:21 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to using different text alternatives for components with identical functions
20:57:46 [ben]: action: team A to combine "Failure due to using different text alternatives for components with identical functions" and "Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages" as "Failure due to using different labels or text alternatives for components with identical functions"
20:58:33 [ben]: Topic: Providing a mechanism to request an update of the content instead of updating automatically
20:59:13 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
20:59:13 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
21:00:58 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
21:00:58 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:03:23 [ben]: resolution: accept proposed technique, "Providing a mechanism to request an update of the content instead of updating automatically" with edits.
21:03:36 [ben]: Topic: Implementing automatic redirects on the server side instead of on the client side
21:03:55 [Zakim]: +Judy
21:04:38 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
21:04:38 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:04:41 [Christophe]: q+
21:06:46 [rscano]: it easy to test: if in the page there are meta elements that made redirect, the page don't pass the SC
21:08:17 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
21:08:17 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:08:34 [rscano]: yes good :)
21:12:46 [ben]: resolution: accept proposed technique, "Implementing automatic redirects on the server side instead of on the client side" with the revisions to test as follows, "06 For each link or programmatic reference to a URL in the set of develivery units being evaluated, check if the referenced delivery unit contains code (e.g. meta element or script) that causes a client-side redirect.01"
21:13:21 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to unrequested removal of controls of user agent
21:14:41 [Christophe]: q-
21:14:45 [ben]: ack John
21:15:29 [ben]: ack cynthia
21:15:30 [Andi]: q+
21:17:05 [Andi]: q-
21:17:11 [ben]: ack loretta
21:20:25 [ben]: ack Lor
21:21:24 [ben]: ack cynthia
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21:22:40 [ben]: resolution: move "Failure due to unrequested removal of controls of user agent" to the boneyard since the failure is not currently covered in this SC.
21:23:03 [ben]: action: david to explore whether Failure due to unrequested removal of controls of user agent fits someplace else in the guidelines
21:23:14 [ben]: Topic: Using an instant client-side redirect
21:23:58 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
21:23:58 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
21:25:07 [ben]: ack Cynthia
21:25:08 [rscano]: <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://www.example.com/newpage" />
21:27:17 [ben]: resolution: accept proposed technique, "Using an instant client-side redirect" with edits.
21:28:58 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to opening a new window or a pop-up after a click on content that does not perform a function
21:29:24 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
21:29:24 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:29:26 [ben]: ack Alex
21:30:18 [Zakim]: +??P12
21:30:20 [Zakim]: -Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:31:52 [ben]: back to team A for additional revisions
21:31:55 [ben]: Topic:
21:32:11 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to using meta refresh with a timeout
21:32:49 [ben]: q+
21:32:53 [Yvette]: q+
21:33:37 [ben]: q-
21:34:25 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
21:34:25 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:35:15 [Yvette]: q-
21:35:26 [Yvette]: ack lo
21:35:26 [ben]: ack Loretta
21:35:36 [ben]: resolution: accept technique, "Failure due to using meta refresh with a timeout" with edits
21:35:44 [ben]: zakim, close this item
21:35:44 [Zakim]: agendum 1 closed
21:35:45 [Zakim]: I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:35:46 [Zakim]: 2. GL 1.3 Techniques and issues (Feb 9) [from ben]
21:36:15 [ben]: zakim, take up agendum 2
21:36:15 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "GL 1.3 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)" taken up [from ben]
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21:37:23 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to using th elements, and
21:37:23 [ben]: summary attributes in layout tables
21:40:01 [rscano]: in WCAG 1.0 was for *all* the table: 5.5 Provide summaries for tables. [Priority 3]. But we really need to have summary for simple layout table?
21:42:38 [ben]: Regrets+ Marco_Bertoni
21:43:43 [David_MacDonald]: q+
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21:44:21 [David_MacDonald]: q-
21:44:22 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
21:44:35 [Becky]: zakim, [IBM] is becky_gibson
21:44:35 [Zakim]: +becky_gibson; got it
21:46:19 [Andi]: q+
21:47:12 [Yvette]: q+ to say "if the summary attribute is used on layout tables, it should be null"
21:47:28 [Yvette]: q-
21:47:45 [ben]: ack andi
21:47:55 [rscano]: why should be used as null? it is no required by specifications.
21:48:20 [ben]: ack John
21:49:50 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
21:49:51 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
21:51:23 [ben]: no resolution
21:51:36 [ben]: Topic: Failure due to providing text alternatives that include words that appear in a text image, but fail to include information that is conveyed by the color of certain words in the image
21:51:45 [bengt]: zakim, who is making noise ?
21:51:56 [Zakim]: bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (38%), Yvette_Hoitink (23%), Sorcha_Moore (9%), John_Slatin (48%), Gregg_and_Ben? (33%), Tim_Boland (4%),
21:51:59 [Zakim]: ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid (9%)
21:53:55 [ben]: ack lor
21:53:57 [Yvette]: q+
21:54:40 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
21:54:40 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:55:58 [Yvette]: q?
21:55:58 [ben]: q+ to suggest, "Failure due to omitting information conveyed by color in non-text content from text alternatives."
21:56:14 [Yvette]: ack y
21:57:57 [Andi]: /me Yvette's proposal ""Failure due to having a text alternative that does not include information that is conveyed by color in the image"
21:58:50 [Andi]: /me ""Failure due to having a text alternative that does not include information that is conveyed by color in the image"
21:59:06 [rellero]: sorry, I have to go, bye
21:59:18 [Zakim]: -rellero
21:59:42 [Yvette]: zakim, mute me
21:59:42 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:01:35 [ben]: resolution: accept technique with edits and retitle as, "Failure due to having a text alternative that does not include information that is conveyed by color in the image"
22:01:40 [Andi]: scribe: Andi
22:02:00 [Andi]: Topic: Failure due to using CSS to create variations in presentation of text that conveys information without also using structure
22:02:01 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
22:02:01 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:05:18 [Becky]: q+
22:05:31 [ben]: q-
22:07:23 [ben]: ack Beck
22:07:30 [Andi]: resolution: Accept technique with edit - create a new example using color or bold and move the heading example to 1.3.1
22:07:56 [Andi]: Topic: Failure due to identifying content only by its shape or location
22:09:05 [Andi]: resolution: accept with suggested edits
22:09:19 [ben]: zakim, close this item
22:09:22 [Zakim]: agendum 2 closed
22:09:25 [ben]: zakim, take up agendum 3
22:09:26 [Zakim]: I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:09:32 [Zakim]: 3. GL 2.4 Techniques and issues (Feb 9) [from ben]
22:09:36 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "GL 2.4 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)" taken up [from ben]
22:11:47 [David_MacDonald]: zakim, who's making noise
22:11:47 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who's making noise', David_MacDonald
22:12:27 [bengt]: zakim, who is making noise ?
22:12:38 [Zakim]: bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (62%), Sorcha_Moore (9%), John_Slatin (39%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (38%)
22:14:33 [Andi]: Topic: Rewording 2.4.3 and moving it up to Level 1
22:16:27 [Christophe]: q+ to say "last week we said that the nl element in XHTML 2 would meet the SC without the author having to add a skiplink"
22:16:49 [ben]: ack Christophe
22:16:49 [Zakim]: Christophe, you wanted to say "last week we said that the nl element in XHTML 2 would meet the SC without the author having to add a skiplink"
22:18:05 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
22:18:05 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
22:19:33 [Zakim]: -Tim_Boland
22:19:43 [Becky]: q
22:19:48 [Becky]: q+
22:22:01 [ben]: ack Becky
22:22:11 [ben]: q+
22:22:13 [ben]: ack John
22:22:20 [Andi]: q+
22:23:15 [sorcha]: apologies, have gotten cut off skype - am rejoining
22:23:16 [Zakim]: -Sorcha_Moore
22:23:30 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
22:24:25 [Christophe]: zakim, IPCaller is Sorcha_Moore
22:24:25 [Zakim]: +Sorcha_Moore; got it
22:25:24 [ben]: ack Ben
22:25:30 [Andi]: q-
22:25:31 [ben]: ack Cyn
22:31:45 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
22:31:45 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
22:32:50 [sorcha]: Apologies, but must exit call early.
22:33:09 [sorcha]: sorcha has left #wai-wcag
22:33:23 [Zakim]: -Sorcha_Moore
22:36:29 [Becky]: q-
22:36:33 [Becky]: q-
22:37:51 [Zakim]: -Roberto_Scano
22:40:47 [Andi]: 2 proposals: change 2.4.3 to require only an invisible mechanism and move it to Level 1 and add a Level 2 SC for a visible mechanism.
22:44:34 [ben]: ack Cynthia
22:44:41 [judy]: q+
22:46:43 [judy]: q-
22:47:56 [Andi]: resolution: adopt proposal to have a Level 1 SC for an invisible mechanism - structure that can be used to navigate would be sufficient
22:48:14 [Andi]: resolution: reject proposal to add a Level 2 SC for a visible mechanism
22:49:02 [Andi]: topic: The title element
22:51:26 [Andi]: topic: Using the title attribute of the frame element
22:51:56 [Andi]: resolution: accept as a technique for 2.4.6 with a proviso that it makes sense there.
22:52:30 [Andi]: topic: Providing descriptive headings
22:53:02 [Andi]: resolution: accept technique with suggested edits
22:54:36 [ben]: zakim, close this item
22:54:36 [Zakim]: agendum 3 closed
22:54:37 [Zakim]: I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:54:39 [Zakim]: 4. GL 3.1 Techniques and Issues (Feb 9) [from ben]
22:54:41 [ben]: zakim, take up next agendum
22:54:41 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "GL 3.1 Techniques and Issues (Feb 9)" taken up [from ben]
22:57:34 [Andi]: q+
22:58:11 [ben]: ack John
22:58:18 [ben]: ack Andi
23:00:27 [Zakim]: -Yvette_Hoitink
23:00:53 [Zakim]: +Yvette_Hoitink
23:01:11 [ben]: ack Alex
23:02:59 [Andi]: topic: proposal to change the wording of 3.1.2
23:06:46 [Andi]: resolution: reject proposal to change wording of 3.1.2. Remove the word "foreign" in the current wording of 3.1.2.
23:07:23 [Andi]: resolution: reword Note on 3.1.2 - "...apply to individual words or phrases that have become..."
23:07:59 [Andi]: topic: How to meet 3.1.4
23:11:01 [ben]: q+ to ask, "is there and And/or relationship between the two lists"?
23:11:06 [ben]: ack lor
23:12:05 [Andi]: resolution: accepted with edits
23:12:15 [ben]: q-
23:12:27 [Andi]: topic: Providing the expansion or explanation of an abbreviation
23:13:30 [Yvette]: zakim, unmute me
23:13:30 [Zakim]: Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
23:14:36 [Christophe]: q+
23:14:59 [Christophe]: q-
23:15:35 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits and approval from people who have concerns - team to decide if needs another WG review
23:16:00 [Andi]: topic: Providing the abbreviation immediately following the first use of the expanded form within the delivery unit
23:17:01 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits (understanding that "delivery unit" is still under discussion in the group)
23:17:44 [Andi]: topic: Linking to definitions
23:17:50 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:18:02 [Andi]: topic:
23:18:05 [Andi]: topic: Using a Glossary
23:18:13 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:18:28 [Andi]: topic: Abbreviations
23:19:39 [Andi]: resolution: accept this as one technique with edits
23:20:26 [Andi]: topic: Supplemental Meaning Cues
23:23:20 [Andi]: resolution: accept as advisory technique, not a sufficient technique, as revised
23:24:08 [Andi]: resolution: change title to "Using the link element to link to a glossary"
23:24:30 [Andi]: topic: Glossary Page
23:24:38 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:25:28 [Andi]: topic: Issue 1753
23:26:21 [Andi]: resolution: "Using the link element to link to a glossary" is the new title for "Glossary Page"
23:27:30 [Andi]: resolution: issue 1753 proposal accepted with Gregg's alternative closing comment
23:27:52 [Andi]: topic: 3.1.5 success criteria rewording
23:27:57 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:28:22 [Andi]: topic: Measuring the readability of text content
23:28:29 [Andi]: resolution: refer back to committee
23:28:45 [Andi]: topic: Providing a text summary that requires reading ability less advanced than lower secondary education level
23:28:51 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:29:07 [Andi]: topic: Providing visual illustrations of complex ideas, events, and processes
23:29:14 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:29:37 [Andi]: topic: Providing a spoken version of the text
23:29:43 [Andi]: resolution: accept with edits
23:30:00 [Andi]: topic: delivery unit
23:31:22 [ben]: zakim, who is on the phone?
23:31:22 [Zakim]: On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelley, Sofia_Celic (muted), John_Slatin, Gregg_and_Ben?, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
23:31:26 [Zakim]: ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki.a, Judy, ??P12, becky_gibson, Yvette_Hoitink
23:32:36 [Andi]: problem with using delivery unit because each jpg within a page would be a delivery unit and would have to include a title
23:32:42 [ben]
23:32:42 [ben]: Present: David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelley, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Scano, John_Slatin, Makoto_Ueki, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Becky_Gibson
23:34:29 [Yvette]: q+ to ask "how long are we going to continue?"
23:34:33 [Yvette]: q-
23:34:38 [Zakim]: -Sofia_Celic
23:34:39 [Zakim]: -Alex_Li
23:34:41 [Zakim]: -Christophe_Strobbe
23:34:42 [Zakim]: -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:34:43 [Zakim]: -Judy
23:34:44 [Zakim]: -David_MacDonald
23:34:45 [Zakim]: -Bengt_Farre
23:34:47 [Zakim]: -John_Slatin
23:34:48 [Zakim]: -Cynthia_Shelley
23:34:49 [Zakim]: -Yvette_Hoitink
23:34:50 [Zakim]: -Makoto_Ueki.a
23:34:52 [Zakim]: -becky_gibson
23:34:53 [Zakim]: -Gregg_and_Ben?
23:34:55 [Andi]: think about it, read and contribute to the mailing list on the "BIG ISSUE" topic - will discuss again next week
23:35:01 [Zakim]: -Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:35:02 [ben]: Present: David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Sorcha_Moore, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Cynthia_Shelley, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Scano, John_Slatin, Makoto_Ueki, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Roberto_Ellero, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Becky_Gibson
23:35:39 [bengt]: zakim, who is on the phone ?
23:35:39 [Zakim]: On the phone I see ??P12
23:36:37 [ben]: yep, got it
23:38:25 [ben]: zakim, drop ??P12
23:38:25 [Zakim]: ??P12 is being disconnected
23:38:26 [Zakim]: WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
23:38:27 [Zakim]: Attendees were David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Sofia_Celic, Sorcha_Moore, John_Slatin, Makoto_Ueki, Cynthia_Shelley, Tim_Boland,
23:38:32 [Zakim]: ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben?, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Roberto_Scano, rellero, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Judy, becky_gibson
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03:10:54 [ben]: Zakim, bye
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03:10:58 [ben]: RRSAgent, bye
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: team a to consider new title and description revisions to ensure that it does not cover purposeful (user-initiated) opening of multiple windows. [1]
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-irc#T20-40-10
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: alex to send gregg example regarding print invoice vs. print receipt, gregg to include in draft, "Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages" [2]
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-irc#T20-53-43
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: team A to combine "Failure due to using different text alternatives for components with identical functions" and "Failure due to using two different labels for same function on different pages" as "Failure due to using different labels or text alternatives for components with identical functions" [3]
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-irc#T20-57-46
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: david to explore whether Failure due to unrequested removal of controls of user agent fits someplace else in the guidelines [4]
03:10:58 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/16-wai-wcag-irc#T21-23-03