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19:56:09 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
19:56:33 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
19:56:41 <ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
19:56:52 <ben> Regrets: Roberto_Scano, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Roberto_Castaldo
19:58:09 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0211.html
19:58:31 <ben> agenda+ Techniques for SC 1.3.1 from 26 January
19:58:32 <Christophe> Christophe has joined #wai-wcag
19:58:42 <ben> agenda+ Draft Techniques and Issues for Guideline 2.4 from 02 February
19:58:51 <ben> agenda+ Draft Techniques and proposals for Guideline 3.2 from 02 February
19:59:01 <ben> agenda+ GL 1.3 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)
19:59:13 <ben> agenda+ GL 2.4 Techniques and issues (Feb 9)
19:59:24 <ben> agenda+ GL 3.1 Techniques and issues
19:59:42 <Yvette> zakim, which conference?
19:59:42 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Yvette.
19:59:51 <ben> zakim, list conferences
19:59:51 <Zakim> I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, XML_EXI()1:30PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, SVG_WG()2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM active and no others scheduled near this time
19:59:58 <ben> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:59:58 <Zakim> ok, ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
20:00:04 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:00:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Alex_Li
20:00:04 <Yvette> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:00:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Alex_Li
20:00:23 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:00:35 <Zakim> +??P31
20:00:53 <Yvette> zakim, ??P31 is Yvette_Hoitink
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20:01:05 <Zakim> +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
20:01:15 <Zakim> +??P1
20:01:28 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
20:01:34 <ben> zakim, ??P1 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:01:34 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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20:01:40 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper (muted), Yvette_Hoitink, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin
20:01:43 <Zakim> +??P2
20:02:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:02:16 <Makoto> zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
20:02:16 <Zakim> +Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:02:21 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
20:02:29 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
20:02:31 <Yvette> zakim, ??P2 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:02:31 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:02:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:03:01 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:03:05 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, [IP is LucaMascaro
20:03:05 <Zakim> +LucaMascaro; got it
20:03:10 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:03:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:03:14 <ben> RRSagent, pointer?
20:03:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/02/09-wai-wcag-irc#T20-03-14
20:03:24 <Makoto> zakim, mute me
20:03:25 <Zakim> Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
20:03:27 <rellero> zakim, [IP is rellero
20:03:27 <Zakim> +rellero; got it
20:03:32 <rellero> zakim, mute me
20:03:32 <Zakim> rellero should now be muted
20:03:38 <LucaMascaro> Zakim, mute me
20:03:38 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:03:51 <Zakim> +??P11
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20:04:28 <ben> zakim, ??P11 is Cynthia_Shelly
20:04:28 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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20:05:27 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
20:06:13 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:06:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Techniques for SC 1.3.1 from 26 January" taken up [from ben]
20:06:17 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:06:18 <ben> scribe: Becky
20:11:57 <Becky> Resolution: adopt all items where acceptance was unanimous except for edits. Items are: 
20:11:57 <Becky> SC2.4.2 Table of contents, General technique for SC 2.4.3: Skip to main content, SC 2.4.8 technique on breadcrumb trails, HTML technique for link element and navigation, Providing a submit button to initiate a change of context, Providing submit buttons in HTML, SC 1.3.1 Common Failure: Failure due to using space characters to format tables in simple text content, SC 1.3.1 Common Failure: Failure due to using space characters to create multiple columns in simp
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20:14:26 <Becky> ack john
20:14:32 <gregg> ack c
20:16:09 <Becky> Topic: Using table, tr, and td elements for tabular information and Using th elements to identify column and row headers in data tables (but not in layout tables)
20:16:28 <Becky> after brief discussion teamb has enough information to rework these examples.
20:17:02 <Becky> Topic: Using caption elements to identify data tables (but not layout tables) (1.3.1 HTML technique)
20:17:38 <Michael> q+
20:18:34 <Becky> ack mich
20:19:23 <Becky> q+
20:19:25 <Christophe> q+ to say "caption also exists outside HTML"
20:20:20 <Becky> ack be
20:20:21 <Yvette> q+ to say "use applicability section of technique"
20:20:51 <Zakim> +Sorcha_Moore
20:21:49 <ben> ack Christophe
20:21:49 <Zakim> Christophe, you wanted to say "caption also exists outside HTML"
20:22:13 <Christophe> ach chr
20:22:19 <Christophe> ack chr
20:22:19 <Yvette> ack john
20:22:26 <ben> ack John
20:24:49 <Yvette> ack y
20:24:49 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "use applicability section of technique"
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20:25:57 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:25:57 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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20:27:02 <Zakim> +??P15
20:27:12 <bengt> zakim, ??P15 is Bengt_Farre
20:27:12 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:34:22 <ben> q?
20:34:30 <ben> ack Lor
20:34:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:35:01 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:35:04 <ben> ack Alex
20:35:06 <Zakim> -Sorcha_Moore
20:35:26 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:35:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Yvette_Hoitink, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Makoto_Ueki (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted),
20:35:29 <Zakim> ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, LucaMascaro (muted), rellero (muted), Christophe_Strobbe (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre, [IPcaller],
20:35:31 <Zakim> ... Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:35:51 <sorcha> apologies - am having trouble with my telephone connection so have changed to skype
20:36:12 <ben> zakim, [IPcaller] is Sorcha_Moore
20:36:12 <Zakim> +Sorcha_Moore; got it
20:36:38 <ben> q?
20:37:42 <Zakim> +Judy
20:38:56 <Becky> ack kat
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20:39:52 <Becky> after discussion: keep caption and summary techniques separate but to cross reference them. Team b will rework.
20:41:18 <Becky> Topic: Using id and headers attributes to associate data cells with header cells in data tables (but not in layout tables)
20:41:25 <Becky> Team b will rework based on comments
20:42:07 <ben> ack Lor
20:42:40 <Becky> Topic: HTML Tech - Using label elements to associate text labels with form fields
20:43:26 <Becky> Resolution: Adopt HTML technique, Using label elements to associate text labels with form fields, with the suggested edits. 
20:43:53 <Becky> Topic: Tech - Using title attributes to label form controls that can't be individually labeled
20:44:32 <Becky> Resolution: Adopt HTML technique, Using title attributes to label form controls that can't be individually labeled, with suggested edits. 
20:44:53 <Becky> Topic: HTML tech - Using ol, ul and dl for lists
20:46:09 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:46:09 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:47:47 <ben> ack Cynth
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20:48:52 <ben> ack John
20:48:56 <gregg> q+
20:49:00 <Yvette> q+ to say "sufficient but not necessary"
20:50:25 <ben> ack Gregg
20:50:48 <ben> ack Yve
20:50:48 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to say "sufficient but not necessary"
20:51:28 <ben> ack Lor
20:53:25 <ben> ack Kers
20:55:22 <Becky> Resolution: Adopt HTML technique, Using ol, ul and dl for lists, with suggested edits. 
20:55:58 <Becky> Topic: HTML Technique, Using headings
20:56:58 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:56:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Yvette_Hoitink, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Makoto_Ueki (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted),
20:57:02 <Zakim> ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, LucaMascaro (muted), rellero (muted), Christophe_Strobbe, Cynthia_Shelly, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre, Sorcha_Moore, Kerstin_Goldsmith,
20:57:04 <Zakim> ... Judy
20:59:19 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:00:09 <ben> ack John
21:01:16 <ben> ack Katie
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21:02:35 <ben> ack John
21:03:28 <David> q+
21:04:23 <Christophe> q+
21:06:12 <ben> ack David
21:06:39 <ben> ack Christophe
21:12:28 <Christophe> q+
21:13:18 <Christophe> q-
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21:15:41 <Yvette> q?
21:18:39 <Christophe> q+ to say "remove reference to XHTML 2 because that spec will require a separate techniques document?"
21:19:51 <Yvette> ack yve
21:22:16 <rellero> Sorry I have to leave, bye
21:22:25 <Zakim> -rellero
21:23:24 <ben> ack Christophe
21:23:24 <Zakim> Christophe, you wanted to say "remove reference to XHTML 2 because that spec will require a separate techniques document?"
21:23:29 <David> q+
21:23:34 <Christophe> ack Christophe
21:24:17 <ben> ack Lor
21:24:44 <ben> ack david
21:26:44 <Zakim> +??P8
21:26:54 <Becky> Resolution: Send HTML Technique, Using Headings, back to team b: In addition to edits on survey: suggest new title "Using h for headings", suggested  Update description that is best practice is to not skip numbers rather than requirement. Will remove any mention of hierarchy from the tests for this technique. 
21:27:06 <Becky> Topic: Using standard text formatting conventions for paragraphs
21:28:43 <ben> ack Cynth
21:34:58 <jslatin> 9brb 
21:35:22 <Becky> Topic (cont): Using standard text formatting conventions for lists and Using standard text formatting conventions for headings
21:35:47 <Becky> Resolution: accept 3 plain text techniques with suggested edits and the following ammendment: For plain text list technique. List items are paragraphs which begin with a asterisk or number. 
21:35:58 <ben> zakim, close this item
21:35:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
21:35:59 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:36:00 <Zakim> 2. Draft Techniques and Issues for Guideline 2.4 from 02 February [from ben]
21:36:03 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
21:36:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Draft Techniques and Issues for Guideline 2.4 from 02 February" taken up [from ben]
21:37:36 <Becky> Topic: Proposal to delete 2.4.1
21:38:20 <Becky> Subcommittee has been appointed to dicuss further. 
21:39:25 <Becky> Topic: General technique for Using a Site Map
21:41:10 <Becky> Resolution: accept general technique, Using a Site Map, with edit process.
21:42:42 <Becky> Topic: Proposal to change SC 2.4.3 wording
21:43:29 <bengt> q+ to say in another survey
21:45:19 <ben> ack bengt
21:45:19 <Zakim> bengt, you wanted to say in another survey
21:45:25 <Yvette> zakim, unmute me
21:45:25 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
21:45:31 <Yvette> zakim, mute me
21:45:31 <Zakim> Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:47:08 <Becky> A mechanism is available to bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple perceivable units."
21:48:08 <Becky> resolution: change 2.4.3 wording to, "A mechanism is available to bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple perceivable units."
21:48:43 <ben> ack Cyn
21:49:19 <Becky> Topic: discuss requiring skip links to be visible as sufficient to meet 2.4.3
21:49:44 <Becky> Will discuss when reach the Feb 9 2.4 survey
21:50:05 <Becky> Topic: Proposal for SC 2.4.5 wording
21:56:29 <ben> ack Lor
21:56:33 <ben> ack John
21:57:09 <Andi> q
21:57:15 <Andi> q+
21:58:14 <David> q+
21:58:33 <ben> ack Andi
22:00:10 <ben> ack John
22:00:59 <ben> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
22:01:56 <Zakim> -LucaMascaro
22:07:08 <ben> ack David
22:07:13 <ben> ack Cynthia
22:14:17 <Sofia> q
22:19:06 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
22:19:08 <Becky> resolution: reject proposal to change the wording of 2.4.5. 
22:19:40 <ben> zakim, close this item
22:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
22:19:41 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:19:42 <Zakim> 3. Draft Techniques and proposals for Guideline 3.2 from 02 February [from ben]
22:19:50 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
22:19:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Draft Techniques and proposals for Guideline 3.2 from 02 February" taken up [from ben]
22:19:56 <Andi> scribe: Andi
22:20:23 <Zakim> +??P6
22:20:55 <ben> zakim, ??P6 is Cynthia_Shelly
22:20:55 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
22:26:56 <gregg> q?
22:27:52 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
22:27:52 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
22:32:35 <Becky> q+
22:34:39 <gregg> q+
22:34:50 <gregg> ack j
22:34:52 <gregg> ack b
22:35:33 <ben> ack gregg
22:35:34 <gregg> ack g
22:41:35 <ben> ack John
22:44:07 <David> q+
22:44:17 <ben> ack Lor
22:44:19 <ben> ack John
22:45:19 <ben> ack David
22:46:43 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:51:34 <Andi> resolution: 3.2.2 Changing the setting of any form control or field does not automatically cause a change of context unless the delivery unit contains instructions before the control that describe the behavior.
22:57:23 <Becky> q
22:57:28 <Becky> q+
22:57:35 <Andi> ack lor
22:58:14 <judy> q+
22:58:20 <judy> q-
23:00:22 <gregg> q?
23:00:24 <Zakim> -Yvette_Hoitink
23:00:34 <gregg> q?
23:01:05 <Zakim> +??P7
23:01:11 <Yvette> zakim, ??P7 is Yvette_Hoitink
23:01:11 <Zakim> +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
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23:01:42 <Andi> q+
23:01:45 <Zakim> -??P8
23:01:53 <gregg> ack b
23:01:54 <Becky> ack b
23:05:33 <Andi> ack a
23:08:17 <Andi> resolution: Changing the setting of any form control or field does not automatically cause a change of context (beyond moving to the next field in tab order) unless the delivery unit contains instructions before the control that describe the behavior.
23:08:56 <Andi> rationale: concern that putting the exception in the definition would allow moving the focus to the next field when a field receives focus (3.2.1)
23:10:22 <Yvette> q+
23:10:49 <Yvette> ack y
23:10:49 <Zakim> Yvette, you wanted to ask "how long are we going to continue? I need to sleep soon"
23:11:17 <Zakim> -Yvette_Hoitink
23:20:35 <Andi> resolution: 3.2.2 moves to Level 1
23:21:51 <Andi> resolution: keep failure technique with slight modification "Failure due to automatically submitting a form and presenting new content when the last field in the form is given a value without prior warning." 
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23:30:04 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
23:30:10 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
23:30:14 <Zakim> -Makoto_Ueki
23:30:18 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
23:30:24 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
23:30:26 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
23:30:27 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:30:28 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:30:30 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:30:32 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
23:30:33 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:30:34 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
23:30:35 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:30:39 <ben> zakim, bye
23:30:39 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Yvette_Hoitink, John_Slatin, Gregg_and_Ben, Makoto_Ueki, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
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