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15:50:39 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core working group
15:50:42 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
15:50:45 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
15:50:52 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0004.html
15:51:19 <fsasaki> previous meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0140.html
15:51:30 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
16:01:23 <fsasaki> zakim, dial Keio-617
16:01:23 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
16:01:24 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
16:01:25 <Zakim> +Keio
16:02:57 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:03:14 <fsasaki> zakim, [IBM] is Mary
16:03:14 <Zakim> +Mary; got it
16:03:28 <fsasaki> zakim, who is here?
16:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Keio, Mary
16:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
16:03:35 <fsasaki> zakim, Keio has Felix
16:03:37 <Zakim> +Felix; got it
16:03:42 <fyergeau> fyergeau has joined #i18ncore
16:04:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:04:23 <fyergeau> akim, [ is fyergeau
16:04:32 <fyergeau> zakim, [ is fyergeau
16:04:33 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
16:04:44 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0004.html
16:05:25 <fsasaki> regrets: Richard
16:06:22 <fsasaki> topic: action items
16:06:33 <fsasaki> action:  Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in css (ONGOING)
16:06:52 <fsasaki> action: Felix to give back our feedback to CSS and CDF WG (DONE)
16:07:13 <fsasaki> action: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with  ws folks at tech plenary (ONGOING)
16:07:55 <fsasaki> action: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP (ONGOING)
16:08:28 <fsasaki> action: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments of QT people etc. (ONGOING)
16:09:13 <fsasaki> topic: technical plenary agenda
16:09:34 <fsasaki> felix: meeting with css: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-cg/2006JanMar/0059.html
16:11:43 <fsasaki> felix: proposal from Bert: Fri, 14:00-15:30, at CSS WG
16:13:10 <fsasaki> Francois: Special meeting on 2D navigation. Thu, 11:00-12:00, at WAI PF
16:14:17 <fsasaki> felix: meeting with Philippe Le Hegaret?
16:14:26 <fsasaki> Francois: Thursday or Friday
16:15:57 <fsasaki> Francois: meeting with web services folks, would it be useful?
16:16:17 <fsasaki> Mary: Addison asked some people, but I don't know who?
16:17:19 <fsasaki> action: Felix to ask w3c ws "team" members about who to approach about ws i18n
16:17:26 <fsasaki> francois: topics:
16:17:31 <fsasaki> .. charmod norm
16:18:14 <fsasaki> felix: language and locale identifiers (just a short time)
16:18:36 <fsasaki> mary: I would like to go through the whole document
16:19:00 <fsasaki> .. if you just look at the document before the meeting and say "here is s.t. which is missing" etc.
16:19:20 <fsasaki> .. the usage scenarios, for example, had a lot of stuff, which is not in the current draft
16:19:43 <fsasaki> action: all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary to be able to give comments
16:20:27 <fsasaki> francois: we should discuss IRI test suite
16:20:43 <fsasaki> action: Francois to ping Martin whether we could put IRI test suite on the agenda
16:21:27 <fsasaki> topic: comments on CSS selectors
16:22:16 <fsasaki> closed comments: 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22
16:23:01 <fsasaki> comment 5
16:23:04 <fsasaki> s/5/6
16:23:05 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0168.html
16:24:36 <fsasaki> francois: This clarifies a lot
16:24:46 <fsasaki> .. but there is still an conformance issue
16:29:07 <fsasaki> francois: we are happy about comment 6
16:30:55 <fsasaki> comment 20
16:31:13 <fsasaki> francois: it seems not many people are calling for this
16:31:26 <fsasaki> .. at the minimum, it needs to be default clusters
16:32:50 <fsasaki> comment 21
16:32:51 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0139.html
16:33:40 <fsasaki> francois: maybe they accept it
16:33:53 <fsasaki> comment 23
16:33:54 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0108.html
16:35:15 <fsasaki> francois: we will be satisfied with no 3, so we don't have to keep this comment. The selector syntax seems to be self supportive
16:36:15 <fsasaki> topic: comments on cdr 1.0
16:36:21 <fsasaki> comment 2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0170.html
16:37:59 <fsasaki> francois: they should clarify the scenario
16:38:11 <fsasaki> .. e.g. the image internal versus the image external
16:38:22 <fsasaki> .. that should not happen, and their spec should say that
16:39:58 <fsasaki> .. they say:
16:39:58 <fsasaki> But if you mean a document with an xml:lang CDR-referencing
16:39:59 <fsasaki> > another document without an xml:lang or other authoritative indication
16:39:59 <fsasaki> > of language, then I think you're left with heuristics as Bjoern
16:39:59 <fsasaki> > pointed out.
16:40:44 <fsasaki> francois: You should rely on the main document
16:40:56 <fsasaki> .. you have several sources of information, and they have priorities
16:41:11 <fsasaki> felix: let's go back to them in that sense
16:42:23 <fsasaki> topic: ltru: dependency between matching draft and the other parts of RFC 3066bis, see thread at http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg04361.html
16:44:04 <fsasaki> francois: We have to wait for the publication of the other RFCs until we give advice to other working groups
16:45:43 <fsasaki> felix: I wrote a mail to Addison and Mark about this, and the CSS relation
16:46:12 <fsasaki> .. we have to wait until the issue is resolved or all 3 RFC drafts are "RFCs"
16:46:34 <fsasaki> topic: MWI review
16:46:35 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060113/
16:47:20 <fsasaki> felix: I will take a look at this until next meeting
16:47:44 <fsasaki> topic: review of http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newman-i18n-comparator-06.txt
16:48:40 <fsasaki> francois: we had long discussions about this in the context of XQuery
16:48:53 <fsasaki> .. there was no satisfactory resolution
16:49:07 <fsasaki> .. in XQuery, they just use URIs to specify collations
16:49:20 <fsasaki> .. this draft wants to create a collation registry
16:49:26 <fsasaki> .. we should have a look at this
16:49:41 <fsasaki> felix: put it into review table
16:50:29 <fsasaki> topic: review of http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-idn-nextsteps-02.txt
16:54:19 <fsasaki> francois: if we would have enough bandwith
16:54:40 <fsasaki> .. we would review it, but without the bandwith, we should not put it on the radar
16:55:00 <fsasaki> topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0171.html
16:57:24 <fsasaki> francois: You have to know the language to do this
16:58:30 <fsasaki> .. transliterating to latin letters depends on the language
16:58:48 <fsasaki> .. there is no universal transliteration scheme
16:59:02 <fsasaki> .. we will just review their draft as they come forward with it
16:59:50 <Zakim> -fyergeau
16:59:51 <Zakim> -Mary
16:59:53 <Zakim> -Keio
16:59:54 <Zakim> I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has ended
16:59:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Mary, Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau
16:59:59 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:59:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
17:00:57 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
17:02:49 <fsasaki> zakim, make log public
17:02:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', fsasaki
17:03:09 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
17:03:17 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
17:03:34 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
17:06:07 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-actions.rdf :
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in css (ONGOING) [1]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-06-33
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to give back our feedback to CSS and CDF WG (DONE) [2]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-06-52
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with  ws folks at tech plenary (ONGOING) [3]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-07-13
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP (ONGOING) [4]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-07-55
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments of QT people etc. (ONGOING) [5]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-08-28
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to ask w3c ws "team" members about who to approach about ws i18n [6]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-17-19
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary to be able to give comments [7]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-19-43
17:06:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to ping Martin whether we could put IRI test suite on the agenda [8]
17:06:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-20-43
17:06:11 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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