IRC log of ws-addr on 2006-02-06

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20:35:16 [bob]
zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:35:16 [Zakim]
ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
20:35:51 [bob]
Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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Chair: Bob Freund
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0021.html
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+Bob_Freund
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+Hugo
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+[Sun]
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-Hugo
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+Hugo
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+Mark_Little
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zakim ipcaller is blin
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+[IBM]
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Blin
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+Blin; got it
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+Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr
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Zakim, [IBM] is paco
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+paco; got it
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mute Katy
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+Pete_Wenzel
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+??P17
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+??P18
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zakim, mute Katy
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sorry, Katy, I do not see a party named 'Katy'
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+Anish
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zakim, ??p18 is uyalcina
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+uyalcina; got it
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Scribe: Gil
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+Paul_Knight
21:08:17 [Gil]
Bob: agenda bashing
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Bob: F2F planning around Cannes
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RRSAgent, make log public
21:09:14 [anish]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0021.html
21:09:52 [bob]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/6/01/30-ws-addr-minutes.html>
21:10:13 [Gil]
TOPIC: review and accept last minutes (no objections)
21:10:28 [Gil]
TOPIC: Review action items <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/admin#actionitems>
21:11:35 [Gil]
Johnathan: would like to keep "2005-11-28: i059" open
21:12:11 [Gil]
TOPIC: Proposed and New Issues
21:12:13 [anish]
q+
21:12:33 [Gil]
Mark Hadley raised a concern with side effects of resoulution to cr17
21:12:42 [Gil]
Mark is not on the call
21:12:49 [agupta]
q+
21:13:18 [Gil]
Anish: wonders if David Orchard will be presenting a re-worded issue?
21:13:48 [Gil]
Bob: I haven't seen the revised proposal. I will contact David about that.
21:14:01 [Jonathan]
ack agupta
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+Dave_Hull
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ack anish
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+??P21
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q?
21:14:31 [pauld]
zakim, ??P21 is me
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+pauld; got it
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ok
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q+
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ack trutt
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q?
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ack tr
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+??P22
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zakim, ??P22 is me
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+yinleng; got it
21:19:23 [agupta]
I see it correctly though
21:19:36 [Gil]
All: Agreed that we should defer this discussion until Mark is on the call.
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s/Mark/Marc/
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+GlenD
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TOPIC: does Mark's issue impact our ability to take the WSDL Binding document to last call?
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q+
21:22:43 [Gil]
Kay, Umit, and Jonathan speak in favor of taking WSDL Binding doc to last call
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q?
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q?
21:22:51 [anish]
+1 to getting to LC quickly
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s/Kay/Katy/
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s/Mark/Marc/
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ack trutt
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Tom doesn't mind going to LC if this issue doesn't effect markup
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RESOLUTION: take the WSDL Binding document to LC
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-Mark_Little
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TOPIC: cr18
21:26:22 [anish]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/cr-issues/#cr18
21:26:57 [dhull]
q+
21:27:06 [bob]
q?
21:27:11 [anish]
we have 2 proposed resolutions: one from DavidH and one from Paco
21:27:50 [Paco]
q+
21:28:30 [bob]
d hull's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0024.html
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q+
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ack dhull
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q+ to ask a clarification on dhull's proposal
21:29:41 [uyalcina]
q+
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q+
21:30:30 [bob]
Paco's proposals: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0025.html
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q?
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ack paco
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q+
21:32:00 [anish]
q-
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ack trutt
21:32:43 [Jonathan]
q+
21:33:16 [anish]
so, immediatedestination talks about the next hop, whereas wsa:To talks about the 'final destination'
21:33:42 [anish]
if this is correct, then saying that anon means immediatedestination would not be right.
21:33:56 [bob]
q?
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ack uy
21:35:04 [dhull]
q+ to say that anonymous won't work for multi-hop
21:36:25 [bob]
ack paul
21:36:56 [anish]
david, I *think* i understand what you mean (about anon and multi-hop)
21:37:30 [bob]
q?
21:37:34 [anish]
since anon is defined by the binding, and bindings address MEPs which define what immediatedestination is, we are ok
21:37:37 [anish]
is that roughly right
21:37:47 [bob]
ack dhull
21:37:47 [Zakim]
dhull, you wanted to say that anonymous won't work for multi-hop
21:37:57 [Katy]
q+
21:38:27 [bob]
q?
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ack j
21:39:11 [anish]
q+ to see if there was any support to make [destination] optional
21:40:50 [bob]
zakim, who is here?
21:40:50 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bob_Freund, Gilbert_Pilz, David_Illsley, [Sun], Hugo, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted), Vikas_Deolaliker, Nilo (muted), Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, Blin,
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... Prasad_Yendluri, paco, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, Pete_Wenzel, TonyR, uyalcina, Anish, Paul_Knight, Dave_Hull, pauld, yinleng, GlenD
21:40:56 [Zakim]
On IRC I see GlenD, yinleng, PaulKnight, uyalcina, anish, TonyR, Bozhong, andreas, Paco, Katy, prasad, vikas, TRutt, Nilo, Jonathan, agupta, David_Illsley, Gil, pauld, RRSAgent,
21:40:58 [Zakim]
... Zakim, bob, dhull, hugo
21:41:01 [pauld]
i made the appoint that option#3 clarifies the status quo, adding semantics to an anonymous To will impact at least one implementation good enough to participate in CR testing and would therefore be a "substantive change"
21:41:19 [bob]
ack kat
21:41:28 [pauld]
s/appoint/point/
21:41:59 [bob]
ack ani
21:41:59 [Zakim]
anish, you wanted to see if there was any support to make [destination] optional
21:42:46 [GlenD]
+1 to making it optional
21:43:32 [dhull]
FWIW: Option 4 is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0026.html, option 4' is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0028.html
21:43:45 [bob]
q?
21:43:45 [Jonathan]
-1
21:45:09 [dhull]
q+
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q+
21:45:38 [GlenD]
Destination is tricky, because that gets into dispatch ideas. Don't make assumptions.
21:46:14 [GlenD]
i.e some bindings/implementations don't need a WSAddressing [destination] property, just done by the transport
21:46:55 [uyalcina]
my concern is if it is not mandatory, we would have to define when we need it. I have a problem with that.
21:46:58 [bob]
ack dh
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q+
21:47:28 [uyalcina]
I hate contextual semantics.
21:47:35 [GlenD]
Why would you need to define when you need it? You have an EPR, either from a WSDL or from another message. If that EPR tells you to put in a <to>, you do it. If not, don't.
21:48:09 [GlenD]
If the <soap:address> is sufficient, then you don't need <wsa:To>, right?
21:48:09 [vikas]
anonymous destination could mean "Hey DNS find me the nearest Gateway"
21:48:16 [anish]
another discomfort I have is that we define the default in the core (which is anon) and don't say what it means
21:48:28 [bob]
ack uy
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q?
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ack bob
21:48:48 [GlenD]
ah, I guess there's always an <Address> in an EPR, eh?
21:48:49 [dhull]
+1 to discomfort over undefined defaults
21:49:42 [anish]
q+
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q?
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ack ani
21:54:03 [dhull]
q+
21:54:38 [bob]
4' http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0028.html
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21:55:08 [dhull]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Feb/0026.html
21:55:51 [bob]
opt 33. Middle of the road approach: retain the defaulting of the To header to
21:55:51 [bob]
> anonymous, but re-state that its use is actually dependent on the
21:55:51 [bob]
> interpretation that the transport binding gives to the anonymous URI. Add a
21:55:51 [bob]
> note indicating that for the SOAP/HTTP case the anonymous URI is only used
21:55:51 [bob]
> to indicate the use of the HTTP back channel so it can only be used in
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> reply messages.
21:56:06 [pauld]
s/opt 33/opt 3/
21:56:31 [pauld]
chad, question approaches for finality of this issue
21:57:07 [pauld]
chad, question: options for CR18
21:57:36 [pauld]
chad, question: options for CR18 and CR20
21:57:54 [pauld]
chad, option 1: option 1
21:58:00 [pauld]
chad, option 2: option 2
21:58:05 [pauld]
chad, option 3: option 3
21:58:37 [Jonathan]
chad, option 3: Paco's option 3:
21:58:46 [anish]
option 4': make [destination] optional and remove defaulting to anon
21:59:29 [Jonathan]
chad, option 3': Paco's option 3 but limited to SOAP 1.1
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chad, list options
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option 4: use ImmediateDestination where defined (request at the least), InboundMessage for response. Special case SOAP1.1/HTTP as per Paco's 3.
22:00:31 [bob]
opt 3: Middle of the road approach: retain the defaulting of the To header to
22:00:31 [bob]
> anonymous, but re-state that its use is actually dependent on the
22:00:31 [bob]
> interpretation that the transport binding gives to the anonymous URI. Add a
22:00:31 [bob]
> note indicating that for the SOAP/HTTP case the anonymous URI is only used
22:00:31 [bob]
> to indicate the use of the HTTP back channel so it can only be used in
22:00:32 [bob]
> reply messages.
22:00:38 [Jonathan]
chad, option 3: Paco's option 3:
22:00:55 [Jonathan]
chad option 3a: Paco's option 3 but for SOAP 1.1 only.
22:01:19 [Jonathan]
chad, option 3a: Paco's option 3 but for SOAP 1.1 only.
22:01:23 [pauld]
chad, options?
22:01:31 [Jonathan]
chad, drop option 1
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chad, drop option 2
22:02:09 [dhull]
chad, options?
22:02:15 [Jonathan]
chad, option 4a: make [destionation] optional and remove defaulting to anon
22:02:31 [Jonathan]
chad, option 4: DaveH's
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chad, option 4: Use SOAP 1.2 ImmediateDestination property
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chad, options?
22:02:53 [anish]
chad, list options
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"use SOAP f&p"
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chad, options?
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vote: 3
22:03:37 [GlenD]
vote: 4a, 4, 3a
22:03:37 [dhull]
vote: 4
22:03:46 [uyalcina]
vote: 3
22:03:46 [Jonathan]
vote: 3
22:03:48 [David_Illsley]
vote: 3
22:03:48 [Paco]
vote: 3
22:03:48 [vikas]
vote: 4
22:03:53 [anish]
vote: 4a
22:03:55 [TRutt]
vote: 3, 4a
22:03:56 [Gil]
vote: 4a, 4, 3a
22:03:58 [Katy]
vote: 3
22:04:02 [bob]
vote 3
22:04:06 [TonyR]
vote: 4a, 3
22:04:07 [dhull]
vote: 4, 3a
22:04:11 [agupta]
vote: 4a
22:04:17 [Nilo]
4a, 3a, 3
22:04:21 [hugo]
vote: 4, 4a, 3, 3a
22:04:23 [PaulKnight]
3, 4a
22:04:35 [PaulKnight]
vote: 3. 4a
22:04:58 [PaulKnight]
vote: 3,4a
22:05:06 [pauld]
chad, count
22:05:06 [chad]
Question: options for CR18 and CR20
22:05:06 [chad]
Option 3: Paco's option 3: (8)
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Option 3a: Paco's option 3 but for SOAP 1.1 only. (0)
22:05:06 [chad]
Option 4: Use SOAP 1.2 ImmediateDestination property (3)
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Option 4a: make [destionation] optional and remove defaulting to anon (5)
22:05:07 [chad]
16 voters: agupta (4a) , anish (4a) , David_Illsley (3) , dhull (4, 3a) , Gil (4a, 4, 3a) , GlenD (4a, 4, 3a) , hugo (4, 4a, 3, 3a) , Jonathan (3) , Katy (3) , Paco (3) , pauld (3) , PaulKnight (3, 4a) , TonyR (4a, 3) , TRutt (3, 4a) , uyalcina (3) , vikas (4)
22:05:11 [chad]
Round 1: Count of first place rankings.
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Round 2: First elimination round.
22:05:16 [chad]
Eliminating candidadates without any votes.
22:05:17 [Nilo]
4a, 3a, 3
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Eliminating candidate 3a.
22:05:19 [chad]
Round 3: Eliminating candidate 4.
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Round 4: Eliminating candidate 4a.
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Candidate 3 is elected.
22:05:25 [chad]
Winner is option 3 - Paco's option 3:
22:05:46 [Nilo]
vote: 4a, 3a, 3
22:05:46 [anish]
vote: nilo: 4a, 3a, 3
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chad, count
22:05:57 [chad]
Question: options for CR18 and CR20
22:05:57 [chad]
Option 3: Paco's option 3: (8)
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Option 3a: Paco's option 3 but for SOAP 1.1 only. (0)
22:05:57 [chad]
Option 4: Use SOAP 1.2 ImmediateDestination property (3)
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Option 4a: make [destionation] optional and remove defaulting to anon (7)
22:05:58 [chad]
18 voters: agupta (4a) , anish (4a) , David_Illsley (3) , dhull (4, 3a) , Gil (4a, 4, 3a) , GlenD (4a, 4, 3a) , hugo (4, 4a, 3, 3a) , Jonathan (3) , Katy (3) , Nilo (4a, 3a, 3) , nilo (4a, 3a, 3) , Paco (3) , pauld (3) , PaulKnight (3, 4a) , TonyR (4a, 3) , TRutt (3, 4a) , uyalcina (3) , vikas (4)
22:06:02 [chad]
Round 1: Count of first place rankings.
22:06:04 [chad]
Round 2: First elimination round.
22:06:07 [chad]
Eliminating candidadates without any votes.
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Eliminating candidate 3a.
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Round 3: Eliminating candidate 4.
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Round 4: Tie when choosing candidate to eliminate.
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Tie at round 3 between 3, 4a.
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Candidate 4a has the fewest votes at round 2.
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Eliminating candidate 4a.
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Candidate 3 is elected.
22:06:22 [chad]
Winner is option 3 - Paco's option 3:
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chad, details?
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vote: Nilo: abstain
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q+
22:15:23 [bob]
ack dh
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ack tr
22:16:09 [uyalcina]
q+
22:16:13 [dhull]
q+
22:16:25 [dhull]
q-
22:16:37 [anish]
q+
22:17:45 [bob]
ack uy
22:18:02 [bob]
ack an
22:18:03 [dhull]
q+
22:20:07 [bob]
ack dh
22:20:11 [Paco]
q+
22:21:13 [anish]
q+
22:21:50 [uyalcina]
+1 to JM
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q+
22:23:09 [bob]
q?
22:24:09 [bob]
ack pac
22:25:11 [pauld]
want's to clarify, there are no longer any anonymous, or missing To's in the test suite
22:25:31 [Zakim]
-Gilbert_Pilz
22:25:55 [bob]
q?
22:26:01 [Zakim]
+Gilbert_Pilz
22:26:04 [dhull]
q+
22:26:10 [GlenD]
I think 4a solves the problem in a better way, and I'd prefer that <To> still be allowed to be missing. Not all implementations need deal with that, of course.
22:27:25 [uyalcina]
q+
22:27:27 [GlenD]
We don't actually have to say what anonymous means in <To> at all, just like we don't say what foo:something/or/other means as a <To>
22:27:50 [bob]
ack ani
22:28:01 [uyalcina]
i disagree Glen. With 4a, you still need to allow/disallow wsa:To anonymous for a request message for SOAP/HTTP
22:28:10 [bob]
ack tr
22:28:10 [GlenD]
Why?
22:28:17 [uyalcina]
you have not solved the problem at all with 4a
22:29:19 [GlenD]
Anonymous has special meaning for a response EPR (ReplyTo, FaultTo). Outside that context, we don't have to say anything, just like we don't say anything in particular about OTHER URIs.
22:30:03 [GlenD]
i.e. if your implementation asks for a <To> with a particular URI, it's up to you to understand it.
22:30:36 [uyalcina]
i am sorry, undefined stuff do not do it for me. The reason we have cr18 is because we have an undefined situation
22:30:55 [Gil]
ACTION: Anish to put 4a into "crisp text"
22:31:01 [TRutt]
yes
22:31:22 [Gil]
Bob: intent is to clarify differences between 3 and 4a and vote next week
22:31:28 [dhull]
q?
22:31:33 [uyalcina]
q-
22:31:43 [bob]
q?
22:32:04 [bob]
ack dhull
22:36:30 [pauld]
dispatching can happen on whatever you want
22:37:11 [TRutt]
Some implementations do not make the http post url available at the soap level
22:37:17 [pauld]
action, GED, if it's raining, which advert you prefered in the superbowl .. whatever
22:38:00 [TRutt]
q=
22:38:02 [GlenD]
+1 pauld
22:38:03 [TRutt]
Q+
22:38:09 [TRutt]
q+
22:38:33 [Gil]
TOPIC: administrivia - next F2F after Cannes
22:38:49 [anish]
i agree too that dispatching can happen on whatever you want
22:39:43 [Gil]
Bob: last week in April or first week in May
22:39:52 [Gil]
Tom Rutt: would prefer first week in May
22:39:59 [Gil]
jinx
22:41:05 [anish]
oasis symp. is in San Fran
22:42:28 [Zakim]
-Vikas_Deolaliker
22:42:30 [Zakim]
-Jonathan_Marsh
22:42:31 [Zakim]
-paco
22:42:31 [Gil]
ADJORN
22:42:32 [Zakim]
-Paul_Knight
22:42:33 [Zakim]
-Hugo
22:42:34 [Zakim]
-Anish
22:42:35 [Zakim]
-GlenD
22:42:36 [Zakim]
-David_Illsley
22:42:37 [Zakim]
-uyalcina
22:42:38 [Zakim]
-Tom_Rutt
22:42:39 [Zakim]
-yinleng
22:42:41 [Zakim]
-Bob_Freund
22:42:42 [TonyR]
s/ADJORN/ADJOURN/
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-Prasad_Yendluri
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-TonyR
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-Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr
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22:43:46 [bob]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
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-[Sun]
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bob_Freund, Gilbert_Pilz, David_Illsley, Hugo, [Sun], Mark_Little, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Vikas_Deolaliker, Nilo, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, Prasad_Yendluri, Blin,
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... Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, paco, Pete_Wenzel, TonyR, Anish, uyalcina, Paul_Knight, Dave_Hull, pauld, yinleng, GlenD
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