18:57:15 RRSAgent has joined #ua 18:57:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ua-irc 18:57:33 Scribe: JR 18:57:35 scribe has joined #ua 18:57:57 Meeting: WAI UA 18:58:19 Chair: Jim Allan 19:01:12 Al has joined #ua 19:01:25 hi Al 19:02:21 Hi All, I am on the phone 19:02:57 cklaws has joined #ua 19:03:44 * al how do I not be scribe? 19:03:51 this is jim 19:10:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cdf/2006Jan/0068.html 19:11:28 WAI last call comments on CDF, WICD, WICD Full, WICD Mobile, WICD Core 19:11:45 Topic: WAI last call comments on CDF, WICD, WICD Full, WICD Mobile, WICD Core 19:12:17 JA: Now seems to read MathML 19:12:26 DP: Because Jaws now reads unicode 19:13:16 CL: IBM has done an internal WindowEyes and Firefox report 19:15:04 DP: Firefox now behaving much more like IE with Jaws. 19:16:48 JA: Waiting for Al to join. 19:17:05 JA: Al wants our input on Accesskey doc 19:18:04 JA: UA Comments on Compound Docs combined with PF comments and submitted. 19:18:36 JA: We'll need some compound doc test cases: SVG, MathMl etc. 19:19:39 JR: Opera 8 has native SVG support 19:19:57 Topic: Other business from CG 19:20:35 dpoehlman has joined #ua 19:21:23 JA: Networking opportunities with other groups. 19:21:56 Topic: Screen Readers and Firefox 19:22:13 Aaron: Jaws not ready for FF 19:22:36 Aaron: no official support for several months 19:24:54 Aaron: We have done WindowEyes and FF, but with bugs filed for FF 19:25:24 Aaron: Check out bug 24413 in bugzilla for FF (have uaag in title) 19:26:08 Aaron: Some other bugs - look for "uaag" 19:26:33 Aaron: FF on Mac is not very accessible - because Mac readers son't use DOM? 19:27:28 Aaron: 2 probs - (1) uses Carbon instead of Coco (2) nobody has signed up for Mac access. 19:27:35 for FF 19:27:47 Because Safari is so big on Mac 19:29:00 JA: SVG? 19:29:15 Aaron: Yes there is some native support for SVG in FF? 19:29:21 rem ? 19:30:59 JA: In compound docs there was questions about passing focus into and out of different types of content ALSO sub links 19:32:00 Zakim, code? 19:32:00 sorry, Al, I don't know what conference this is 19:32:09 Zakim, this is WAI_U 19:32:09 ok, Al; that matches WAI_UAWG()2:00PM 19:32:20 Zakim, call AlGilman-home, please 19:32:20 ok, Al; the call is being made 19:32:21 +AlGilman 19:33:23 Aaron: Using depth first search on layout object tree. 19:33:48 Aaron: Some things are focussable, but not tabable (e.g. items in a drop down list) 19:34:08 Topic: Accesskeys with Al 19:34:24 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006JanMar/0016.html 19:35:22 Al: The HCG recognizes Accesskeys are problematic but desirable... 19:35:39 XHTML2 is coming up with a replacement. 19:36:06 Al: we're supposed to bring use case to them next Friday. 19:36:28 Al: Mobile phone people also interested in accesskeys. 19:37:57 Al: Latest statement - there has to be a label - needs to be discoverable 19:39:10 Al: Users would prefer to set their own mnemonics but MUST be able to access it somehow. 19:40:08 Al: Overall, we're not taking a strong position. 19:40:56 Al: But there are "firm requirements" 19:41:32 JA: On user side the user simply needs to be able to found out what the keys are and what they do. 19:42:09 Al: but in larger scheme, to capture mode apps to the web shortcut capability should be increased. 19:42:50 Aaron: Can we give weight to pros and cons in "debatable" area 19:44:43 JA: "Discoverable" requirement should be dug out and put at the top 19:46:01 Al: Label is an operational model - must work like a label on a form control 19:47:21 DP: Might feel better about author assignment if two paths - author specifies method of activation vs. generic method of activation 19:49:09 AL: I need to add in authoring guidance that there is a preference for binding keys to roles when there is a relevant role already. 19:50:27 Al: Use rel=home to identify a link that goes home---then browser is smart enough to interpret "h" keypress as meaning user wants to go home (ie.e. press that link) 19:51:23 DP: Author trying to come up with way to activate non-standard things.. 19:51:59 maybe easier to provide trigger and let user agent handle putting keys to triggers. 19:52:18 Al: Loses all mnemonics 19:53:02 Al: It's a tugofwar 19:53:51 CL: Problem: HTML accesskeys --combines mnemonics with sahortcuts - these should be different. 19:54:19 MMnemonics need to appear in label, shortcuts are different. 19:56:16 CL: e.g. in chrome menu items, an underlined character is the mnemonic 19:58:24 Al: In reqs it must be somehow discoverable. 19:59:20 AL: IG - why not just mark the letter eg. with tag wrapping a key ---but T2speech chokes on that 20:00:30 JA: What about negotiation... 20:01:49 Al: Onscreen keyboards can process accesskeys, so can screen readers, could be a browser feature 20:03:15 JA: What about authors who put the key in the title? 20:03:56 Al: The UA's need to start showing access keys somehow - e.g. on mouseover, tabbing, etc. 20:06:03 Action Al: Will modify reqs to add "discoverable" and author should bind access keys to available roles. 20:07:24 JA: on this timeslot next week will be a special meeting on the Mobile Web Berst Practices 20:07:39 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060113/ 20:07:58 -Aaron_Leventhal 20:08:54 Action JR: Review for AU and send to JA. 20:09:03 Action JA: Review for UA 20:09:09 -[IBM] 20:10:00 -DPoehlman 20:10:02 -Jan_Richards 20:10:06 -Jim_Allan 20:10:18 -AlGilman 20:10:18 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 20:10:18 Attendees were Jim_Allan, [IBM], Jan_Richards, DPoehlman, Aaron_Leventhal, AlGilman 20:11:23 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 20:11:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 20:11:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ua-minutes.html jallan 20:13:52 Al has left #ua 21:30:05 dpoehlman has left #ua 21:46:32 Zakim has left #ua 22:13:12 jallan has left #ua