IRC log of swbp on 2006-01-23

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17:46:05 [RalphS]
Meeting: SWBPD WG
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0096.html
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SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
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+Phil_Tetlow
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hi RalphS
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+Ralph
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+[Sophia]
17:59:39 [FabGandon]
zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon
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+FabGandon; got it
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Zakim, mute FabGandon
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FabGandon should now be muted
18:00:03 [FabGandon]
you're welcome
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+??P7
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zakim, ??p7 is Raphael
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+Raphael; got it
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+??P5
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zakim, ??p5 is DBooth
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+DBooth; got it
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+Giorgos_Stamou
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Regrets: ChrisH, BenjaminN
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, ipcaller is Guus
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+Guus; got it
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+Ben_Adida
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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+Libby_Miller
18:02:27 [RalphS]
zakim, Giorgos_Stamou is really Vassilis
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+Vassilis; got it
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+Gary_Ng
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+??P12
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zakim, ??p12 is JeffP
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+JeffP; got it
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+Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:04:34 [guus]
zakim, who is here?
18:04:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, FabGandon (muted), Raphael, DBooth, Vassilis, Guus, Ben_Adida (muted), Libby_Miller, Gary_Ng, JeffP, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:04:38 [Zakim]
On IRC I see JeffP, benadida, dbooth, libby, GaryNg, vassilis, guus, FabGandon, raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS
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+??P14
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zakim, ??p14 is Deb
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+Deb; got it
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida (muted)
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zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
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+??P15
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+Alistair_Miles (was ??P15)
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zakim, alistair is really me
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+aliman; got it
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ScribeNick: benadida
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zakim, mute me
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Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:07:08 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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regrets: ChristianH, Benjamin N
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+[IPcaller]
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take up agenda item 1
18:08:45 [RalphS]
Topic: Admin
18:08:46 [vassilis]
zakim, mute me
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Vassilis should now be muted
18:09:19 [benadida]
Guus: the WG will be extended by 3 months?
18:09:24 [benadida]
RalphS: yes, it is now official
18:09:58 [benadida]
Guus: WG has been extended until May 1st. Coordination Group will draft new charter for semantic web activity
18:09:59 [dbooth]
Chair: Guus
18:10:21 [benadida]
... the chairs hope that participants will hang on for 3 months.
18:10:25 [dbooth]
Meeting: Semantic Web Best Practices
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... thus, propose meeting for February 6
18:10:43 [GiorgosStamou]
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RalphS: poll about a F2F end of feb, beg of March (around TP)
18:11:22 [benadida]
... we have space Thursday March 2 or Friday March 3
18:12:07 [jeremy]
in a formal poll on this, I would have to abstain ...
18:12:21 [benadida]
Guus: there is no requirement to be there (too close to the date)
18:12:36 [benadida]
RalphS: can we poll individually
18:12:47 [RalphS]
zakim, who's on the call?
18:12:48 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, FabGandon (muted), Raphael, DBooth, Vassilis (muted), Guus, Ben_Adida (muted), Libby_Miller, Gary_Ng (muted), JeffP, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:12:50 [aliman]
I was planning to go to tech plenary, think swbp f2f would be useful
18:12:51 [Zakim]
... (muted), Deb, aliman, jeremy (muted)
18:13:02 [vassilis]
zakim, unmute me
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Vassilis should no longer be muted
18:13:02 [RalphS]
Phil: yes, both days
18:13:08 [RalphS]
Ralph: yes, both days
18:13:18 [RalphS]
Fabien: yes, both days
18:13:25 [FabGandon]
Zakim, mute FabGandon
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FabGandon should now be muted
18:13:27 [RalphS]
ack raphael
18:13:28 [Jacco]
zakim, unmute me
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Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
18:13:34 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
18:13:34 [Zakim]
Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:13:40 [RalphS]
Raphael: no, per Jacco
18:13:42 [RalphS]
Jacco: no
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zakim, mute me
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Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
18:13:57 [RalphS]
DBooth: probably both days, prefer Friday
18:15:02 [RalphS]
Vassilis: may stay through Thursday
18:15:10 [RalphS]
Guus: no
18:15:16 [vassilis]
zakim, mute me
18:15:16 [Zakim]
Vassilis should now be muted
18:15:19 [RalphS]
Ben: unlikely
18:15:24 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
18:15:24 [Zakim]
Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:15:28 [RalphS]
Libby: yes, both days
18:15:28 [GaryNg]
zakim, unmute me
18:15:28 [Zakim]
Gary_Ng should no longer be muted
18:15:36 [RalphS]
Gary: no
18:15:57 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
18:16:16 [RalphS]
Jeff: unsure, am planning to attend
18:16:48 [benadida]
RalphS: task forces that have critical mass to meet, let me know
18:17:19 [RalphS]
Deb: no
18:17:28 [RalphS]
Alistair: yes, both days
18:17:39 [RalphS]
Jeremy: likely both days
18:18:01 [GiorgosStamou]
I think it will possible for me to be on Thursday
18:18:02 [Zakim]
+Giorgos_Stamou
18:18:18 [benadida]
RalphS: I'm willing to chair the meeting
18:18:27 [benadida]
Guus: I can help via telecon
18:18:30 [GiorgosStamou]
I cannot speak
18:18:33 [RalphS]
Guus: I may be able to participate through irc but not in person
18:18:35 [GiorgosStamou]
as always...
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I'm home
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Agenda: amendments?
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Guus: none
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ACTION: DBooth to propose TAG clarification questions around httpRange-14
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-Phil_Tetlow
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Alistair: took action to draft questions for the TAG, though this overlaps with DBooth's action
18:20:54 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:21:05 [RalphS]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0076.html [VM] TAG clarification on 302 vs 303, PURLS and more... [Alistair]
18:21:11 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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Agenda: DAWG
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+Phil_Tetlow
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s/DBooth to propose/DBooth to review Alistair's proposed/
18:21:43 [benadida]
Guus: there was a DAWG telecon, moving to proposed REC
18:21:53 [RalphS]
Topic: 2.3 ODM Review
18:22:14 [benadida]
Jeremy: still planning to do a review
18:22:27 [benadida]
... unclear whether this is the appropriate doc to review
18:22:35 [benadida]
... continue the action one more time
18:23:12 [benadida]
Topic: 2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request
18:23:28 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to finish action of 2.4 within 1 week
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Topic: 2.5 Other
18:23:59 [benadida]
ACTION: Elisa to review WSDL 2.0 RDF Mapping:
18:24:03 [benadida]
continues
18:24:46 [dbooth]
s/continues/CONTINUED/
18:24:46 [benadida]
Guus: status of part-whole ontology. Should we make this part of OEP discussion?
18:25:21 [benadida]
... would be good if OEP TF could track this
18:26:05 [benadida]
RalphS: can Deb take an action to respond to Jacek?
18:26:30 [Zakim]
+??P18
18:26:32 [benadida]
Guus: there is a response already
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+Tom_Baker (was ??P18)
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18:27:11 [RalphS]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0090.html evidence for Jacek that Alan did reply
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(Alan's reply not in WG mail archive)
18:28:09 [benadida]
(discussion between Deb and Guus as to whether this action item is finalized)
18:28:58 [benadida]
RalphS: another email shows a window of opportunity: there's move to last call beginning of March.
18:29:17 [benadida]
... but no further action seems necessary except to bring conversation back to mail archive
18:29:39 [benadida]
Topic: 3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair)
18:30:07 [benadida]
Alistair: no progress to report at this point.
18:30:26 [benadida]
Guus: the next phase (after May 1) will have a SKOS component
18:30:38 [benadida]
Alistair: we want to determine need for 3rd WD
18:30:53 [benadida]
Topic: 3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris)
18:31:02 [benadida]
Deb: all action items continued
18:31:05 [RalphS]
Alistair: TF is considering whether it wants to do a 3rd round of SKOS WDs
18:31:15 [benadida]
ACTION: Deb to report the plan of OEP [recorded in
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continued
18:31:31 [benadida]
ACTION: chris to get revised draft of QCR off alan,
18:31:37 [benadida]
continued
18:31:39 [raphael]
I have an action with others to review Semantic
18:31:39 [raphael]
Integration note
18:31:45 [benadida]
ACTION: Chris to move QCR note to W3C pace
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continued
18:32:01 [raphael]
is the Semantic Inegration Note ready to review ?
18:32:16 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to incorporate Alistair's comments into revised
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continued
18:33:04 [benadida]
Guus: some actions in the draft are dependent on one another.
18:33:44 [benadida]
... need some clarification on this action
18:33:53 [benadida]
... not sure what the current draft is
18:34:40 [benadida]
ACTION: Deb to contact Chris and get status
18:34:52 [benadida]
Guus: an OEP telecon would be very good
18:34:55 [benadida]
Deb: trying to schedule that
18:35:07 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:35:28 [benadida]
ACTION: Chris to move todo's to the changes section
18:35:30 [benadida]
continued
18:35:36 [GiorgosStamou]
What about the Semantic Integration?
18:35:38 [benadida]
ACTION: Raphael Georgios S, Fabien, Phil to review Semantic
18:35:55 [GiorgosStamou]
Is there any document ready for review?
18:36:11 [benadida]
Fabien: still waiting for the version to review
18:36:17 [benadida]
continued
18:36:21 [FabGandon]
Zakim, mute FabGandon
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FabGandon should now be muted
18:36:29 [benadida]
ACTION: Chris and Alan to work with Ralph to make [recorded
18:36:29 [RalphS]
Fabien: we exchanged email with Mike Uschold and are awaiting the final version of the Semantic Integration note to review
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continued
18:36:45 [benadida]
ACTION: Evan to send note to Feng on discussion of semantics
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continued
18:37:16 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in [recorded
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continued
18:37:25 [benadida]
Topic: 3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
18:37:31 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to bring issue wrt URI space for ontologies
18:37:36 [benadida]
(missed some comments from Guus here)
18:37:46 [benadida]
Guus: making some progress
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continued
18:37:55 [benadida]
ACTION: mark van assem to produce revised draft of wordnet
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continued
18:38:08 [benadida]
Topic: 3.4 XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes (Jeremy)
18:38:44 [benadida]
Jeremy: had our call, talked about the issue
18:38:54 [jeremy]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw
18:38:59 [benadida]
... current document reflects agreement
18:39:21 [benadida]
... change is very limited
18:39:29 [jeremy]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw/#sec-use-amapping
18:39:56 [jeremy]
Given that [SPARQL] is still in development, the exact relationship between SPARQL semantics and RDF Semantics is unclear. In particular, in one reading of the current [SPARQL] working draft, the mapping from the typed literal, as a syntactic object, to its corresponding value, is done as part of the operation of the = operator in the above query, rather than as part of say a D-interpretation from [RDF Semantics].
18:40:43 [benadida]
ACTION: [PENDING] jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the
18:41:08 [benadida]
Jeremy: one more day with editors, then move to WG Note
18:41:16 [benadida]
... changes are very limited
18:41:42 [benadida]
... do we need another round of review?
18:42:27 [benadida]
RalphS: Jeremy was summarizing the discussion he had with Jeff
18:42:34 [benadida]
... raising a question - what happens next?
18:42:40 [jeremy]
then ^move to^editors are ready to propose WG Note
18:43:35 [benadida]
Guus: if we have consensus on this last issue (presented at F2F), then there is consensus within WG to publish
18:43:55 [benadida]
RalphS: we'll have to check back with reviewers
18:44:10 [benadida]
Guus: yes, but if that problem is resolved, then I'm confident that it's ready to go.
18:44:39 [benadida]
ACTION: Jeremy to email WG on agreement
18:45:01 [benadida]
Jeremy: I'll provide adequate technical details
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zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:45:29 [RalphS]
s/agreement/agreement he and JeffP reached in XSCH/
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ACTION: [PENDING] jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the
18:45:41 [benadida]
done
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:45:50 [benadida]
Topic: 3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB)
18:45:50 [TBaker]
zakim, please unmute me
18:45:50 [Zakim]
sorry, TBaker, I do not see a party named 'TBaker'
18:46:01 [TBaker]
zakim, unmute me
18:46:01 [Zakim]
sorry, TBaker, I do not see a party named 'TBaker'
18:46:30 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:46:42 [RalphS]
zakim, nick tbaker is Tom_Baker
18:46:42 [Zakim]
ok, RalphS, I now associate TBaker with Tom_Baker
18:46:44 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:47:01 [benadida]
Alistair: what do we do about purls? purl.org recipe? Do we take them out?
18:47:06 [benadida]
... do we put them in an appendix
18:47:21 [benadida]
... during telecon, agreement on moving it to appendix, not sure whether 302's are okay yet.
18:47:31 [benadida]
... I took an action to ask TAG about 302's for classes and properties
18:47:57 [benadida]
... other issues regarding readability of the cookbook
18:48:09 [benadida]
... made some superficial changes (diagrams, small text changes)
18:48:17 [benadida]
Guus: seems to me this doc is ready to go for public review
18:48:35 [benadida]
Alistair: yes, except for one thing
18:48:44 [benadida]
... there's a bug in the recipes recently discovered
18:49:11 [benadida]
... default content during content negotiation is RDF
18:49:38 [benadida]
... thus, if you click on the ontology in a browser, browser requests HTML, and all is well
18:49:46 [benadida]
... however, IE does not request HTML content
18:49:55 [benadida]
... thus, clickability doesn't work in IE
18:50:03 [jeremy]
is that a bug or a feature?
18:50:13 [benadida]
... 2 options: 1) change default content type to HTML
18:50:27 [benadida]
... consequence, every RDF toolkit must request RDF content
18:50:43 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:50:59 [jeremy]
q+ to comment on alistair's question
18:51:15 [benadida]
Alistair: 2) leave recipes as they are, and don't get clickability in IE
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zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
18:51:37 [benadida]
Alistair: it's a problem with the recipe, not sure if it's an IE bug or not
18:51:46 [Zakim]
jeremy, you wanted to comment on alistair's question
18:51:50 [Zakim]
-FabGandon
18:52:09 [benadida]
Jeremy: it seems it is good practice to send Accept headers. Question is not whether IE should change (it probably should)
18:52:39 [benadida]
... no good pointing finger at MS in this instance, because this "bug" is shared by semantic web applications, which don't send Accept headers either.
18:52:48 [benadida]
... it's more realistic to expect semweb apps to do the right thing
18:52:58 [dbooth]
+1 to Jeremy's comment
18:52:59 [RalphS]
q+ to comment about default behavior
18:53:37 [benadida]
Alistair: if there's consensus around Jeremy's suggestion, we can move forward with that.
18:54:02 [benadida]
RalphS: agree with Jeremy that all clients should send Accept headers
18:54:14 [benadida]
... but for purposes of the cookbook, should we suggest a default behavior?
18:54:29 [dbooth]
q+ to second Jeremy's position: HTML is more appropriate for naive users/behavior than RDF
18:54:50 [benadida]
... TF can debate this, whether there should be a recommendation, or whether each ontology owner can decide
18:55:04 [benadida]
Guus: you can also wait for public comments on this
18:55:46 [benadida]
... I would be strongly in favor of publishing this in the next month
18:56:01 [benadida]
Alistair: it is our plan to publish within a month, given resolution on this issue
18:56:07 [RalphS]
Alistair: I /me ack me
18:56:09 [benadida]
... so 1 month is realistic
18:56:12 [Zakim]
RalphS, you wanted to comment about default behavior
18:56:24 [jeremy]
q+ to ask if publishing soon would allow response to public feedback?
18:56:36 [Zakim]
dbooth, you wanted to second Jeremy's position: HTML is more appropriate for naive users/behavior than RDF
18:57:01 [benadida]
DBooth: Jeremy gave a rationale of installed base for HTML by default. I would also add that HTML is a good response for a naive dereference
18:57:16 [jeremy]
+1 to dbooth
18:57:26 [benadida]
... A semweb is much more likely to knonw what it's doing, thus it is more likely to be able to send the right accept headers
18:57:43 [benadida]
... it is in line with the previous comment, just a different rationale for the same recommendation
18:57:48 [Zakim]
jeremy, you wanted to ask if publishing soon would allow response to public feedback?
18:57:59 [benadida]
Jeremy: is the plan to publish soon and republish if we get feedback?
18:58:13 [benadida]
... I would be happy to vote on this now
18:58:34 [benadida]
RalphS: I would take the same position
18:58:59 [benadida]
Guus: I would prefer to have this be on the agenda, so next meeting?
18:59:14 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
18:59:14 [Zakim]
Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
18:59:15 [RalphS]
s/same position/position to publish soon and expect to update before 1 May/
18:59:48 [aliman]
+1 on ralph's schedule
18:59:51 [benadida]
Guus: this should be on the VM TF telecon to move the issue to WG telecon
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19:00:03 [benadida]
RalphS concurs
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q|
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I would like the VMTF to plan to be ready to ask for publication approval on 6 Feb
19:00:45 [RalphS]
Topic: 3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben)
19:00:59 [Zakim]
-Tom_Baker
19:01:00 [RalphS]
Ben: we received comment from GaryNG, DBooth, and Pat Hayes
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... we've responded to all substantive points
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... haven't yet made all edits to the document but have agreed on how we will do those eidts
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s/eidts/edits/
19:01:49 [RalphS]
PRPOSED to publish the revised version of the RDF/A Primer as Working Draft
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-15-rdfa-primer
19:02:22 [RalphS]
q+ to add contingency
19:02:38 [RalphS]
Ben: the only editorial changes we need are to make it conform to WG format
19:03:00 [GaryNg]
zakim, unmute me
19:03:00 [Zakim]
Gary_Ng should no longer be muted
19:03:09 [RalphS]
... may need to add a link to Gary and David's comments
19:03:30 [RalphS]
Gary: happy with proposed resolutions to comments and to proceed with publishing
19:03:41 [RalphS]
DBooth: also happy to proceed to publication
19:04:01 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
19:04:11 [RalphS]
PROPOSED to publish the revised version of the RDF/A Primer as Working Draft with minor editorial changes
19:04:21 [Jacco]
second
19:04:36 [RalphS]
PROPOSED to publish the revised version of the RDF/A Primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-15-rdfa-primer as Working Draft with minor editorial changes
19:04:42 [RalphS]
RESOVED to publish the revised version of the RDF/A Primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-15-rdfa-primer as Working Draft with minor editorial changes
19:04:47 [RalphS]
RESOlVED to publish the revised version of the RDF/A Primer http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-01-15-rdfa-primer as Working Draft with minor editorial changes
19:05:28 [RalphS]
[CONTINUES] ACTION: ben to contact alistair on use of frag id's [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action28]
19:06:11 [RalphS]
PROPOSE to withdraw ACTION: jeremy to contact rdf/html task force re dbooth's position on httpRange-14 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
19:06:14 [RalphS]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: jeremy to contact rdf/html task force re dbooth's position on httpRange-14 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
19:06:22 [aliman]
q+ to ask quickly what the frag id question is?
19:06:33 [RalphS]
[DONE] ACTION: DanBri to ask TF for sign-off on putting the draft xhtml vocab to the WG for review. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action26]
19:06:54 [RalphS]
Ben: task of completing the draft vocab for publishing is still on-going
19:07:07 [RalphS]
Topic: 3.7 ADTF - Applications and Demos (Libby)
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0104.html
19:07:24 [Zakim]
aliman, you wanted to ask quickly what the frag id question is?
19:07:30 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
19:08:14 [benadida]
RalphS: the path from the WG homepage to the data collected by the TF goes to the wiki
19:08:34 [benadida]
... is that still the best place for it to go? At what point will the other DB be the right place to end up?
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... what's the relationship between that wiki and swordfish.rdfweb.org/
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Libby: it would be good to move this off the wiki into another document
19:09:48 [benadida]
Topic: 3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve)
19:09:54 [benadida]
ACTION: Ralph check with Valentina on whether there are
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done
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RalphS: I have an action to get that document published
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Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page
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ACTION: benjamin to provide ineractive web page for
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continued
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ACTION: Ralph cite relevant CG meeting records
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continued
19:12:13 [benadida]
Topic: 3.10 SE - Software Engineering
19:12:40 [benadida]
Phil: Jeremy looked at the note one final time, his comments have been incorporated.
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... we're looking for last comments to go to fully-fledged note
19:13:06 [jeremy]
I confirm
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RalphS: I think we did that last meeting, so if Jeremy confirms that his comments have been taken into account, then it's done
19:13:29 [benadida]
... so this is the final draft?
19:13:39 [benadida]
ACTION: RalphS will make a publication request for the SE Primer
19:13:53 [benadida]
Topic: 3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation
19:14:06 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to review Image annotation editor's draft
19:14:19 [RalphS]
Phil: the SE editor's draft has all intended edits
19:14:29 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
19:14:29 [Zakim]
Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
19:14:35 [Jacco]
zakim, unmute me
19:14:35 [Zakim]
Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
19:14:38 [benadida]
Guus: what is the timeline for a publication request
19:14:47 [raphael]
Guus comments addressed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0106.html
19:14:55 [GiorgosStamou]
Fine
19:15:13 [Jacco]
will do
19:15:14 [benadida]
Guus: send to the WG an update on state of document with explicit request for vote, it will be on agenda
19:15:22 [Zakim]
-Phil_Tetlow
19:16:09 [benadida]
Guus: we should discuss forming of an incubator group on these issues. (missing some comments here)
19:16:20 [GiorgosStamou]
OK thanks
19:16:53 [benadida]
RalphS: I believe that Giorgos and EricM have discussed this a bit. There is an inclination for an incubator group for continuing that work.
19:17:34 [GiorgosStamou]
Excellent
19:17:43 [GiorgosStamou]
this week
19:17:53 [GiorgosStamou]
when is it possible for you?
19:17:57 [raphael]
Next MM TF telecon, this thursday, at 17h00 Amsterdam time
19:18:06 [benadida]
ACTION: Guus to review Image annotation editor's draft
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done
19:18:15 [benadida]
ACTION: MN editors to work with Ralph on publication
19:18:17 [benadida]
withdrawn
19:18:35 [Jacco]
zakim, mute me
19:18:35 [Zakim]
Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
19:18:48 [RalphS]
ack me
19:19:19 [benadida]
Meeting Adjourned
19:19:25 [libby]
cheers! bye
19:19:26 [Zakim]
-Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
19:19:27 [Zakim]
-Vassilis
19:19:28 [Zakim]
-JeffP
19:19:29 [GaryNg]
bye!
19:19:29 [Zakim]
-jeremy
19:19:30 [Zakim]
-aliman
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-Libby_Miller
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-Raphael
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-Guus
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-Gary_Ng
19:19:38 [RalphS]
rrsagent, please make logs public
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html RalphS
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-Giorgos_Stamou
19:20:12 [Zakim]
-Deb
19:20:22 [RalphS]
zakim, list attendees
19:20:23 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, FabGandon, Raphael, DBooth, Guus, Ben_Adida, Libby_Miller, Vassilis, Gary_Ng, JeffP, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, Deb,
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... Alistair_Miles, aliman, jeremy, Giorgos_Stamou, Tom_Baker
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html RalphS
19:25:24 [Zakim]
-Ralph
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-Ben_Adida
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-DBooth
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SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, FabGandon, Raphael, DBooth, Guus, Ben_Adida, Libby_Miller, Vassilis, Gary_Ng, JeffP, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, Deb, Alistair_Miles, aliman, jeremy,
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... Giorgos_Stamou, Tom_Baker
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zakim, bye
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Zakim has left #swbp
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 25 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: DBooth to propose TAG clarification questions around httpRange-14 [1]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-19-48
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus to finish action of 2.4 within 1 week [2]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-23-28
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ACTION: Elisa to review WSDL 2.0 RDF Mapping: [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-23-59
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Deb to report the plan of OEP [recorded in [4]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-31-15
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: chris to get revised draft of QCR off alan, [5]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-31-31
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ACTION: Chris to move QCR note to W3C pace [6]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-31-45
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ACTION: Guus to incorporate Alistair's comments into revised [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-32-16
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ACTION: Deb to contact Chris and get status [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-34-40
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ACTION: Chris to move todo's to the changes section [9]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-35-28
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Raphael Georgios S, Fabien, Phil to review Semantic [10]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-35-38
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ACTION: Chris and Alan to work with Ralph to make [recorded [11]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-36-29
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Evan to send note to Feng on discussion of semantics [12]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-36-45
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in [recorded [13]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-37-16
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ACTION: Guus to bring issue wrt URI space for ontologies [14]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-37-31
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mark van assem to produce revised draft of wordnet [15]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-37-55
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ACTION: [PENDING] jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the [16]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-40-43
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jeremy to email WG on agreement [17]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-44-39
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ACTION: [PENDING] jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the [18]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T18-45-40
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ACTION: Ralph check with Valentina on whether there are [19]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-09-54
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: benjamin to provide ineractive web page for [20]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-10-36
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Ralph cite relevant CG meeting records [21]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-10-55
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ACTION: RalphS will make a publication request for the SE Primer [22]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-13-39
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ACTION: Guus to review Image annotation editor's draft [23]
19:25:47 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-14-06
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ACTION: Guus to review Image annotation editor's draft [24]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-18-06
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ACTION: MN editors to work with Ralph on publication [25]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-irc#T19-18-15
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