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15:52:00 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is here?
15:52:00 <Zakim> sorry, AxelPolleres, I don't know what conference this is
15:52:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, PhilippeB, AxelPolleres, csma, MarkusK, ChrisW, FrancoisBry, PaulaP, holger, mdean, Zakim
15:52:05 <FrancoisBry> FrancoisBry has joined #rif
15:52:26 <AxelPolleres> zakim, list conferences
15:52:31 <Zakim> I see SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM, SW_DAWG()9:30AM, WS_DBWG()10:00AM active
15:52:35 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are T&S_Securit()11:00AM, SYMM_WG()10:00AM, HTML_XHTML(editors)10:00AM, WAI_TIES()10:00AM, I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM, XML_ET TF()11:00AM
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15:53:10 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be SW_RIF
15:53:10 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW, I see SW_RIF()11:00AM already started
15:53:11 <AxelPolleres> this conference is SW_RIF
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15:54:55 <irc> hi, anybody knows how to submit the conference code using skype?
15:55:09 <Zakim> +??P0
15:55:33 <ChrisW> irc, who are you?
15:55:37 <Zakim> +??P8
15:55:44 <Zakim> +??P9
15:55:51 <AxelPolleres> irc is andreas harth, I guess!
15:55:56 <FrancoisBry> zakim, ??P0 is me.
15:55:56 <Zakim> +FrancoisBry; got it
15:56:22 <AxelPolleres> zakim, mute me
15:56:22 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted
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15:56:53 <Zakim> +??P10
15:57:06 <Zakim> +PaulaP
15:57:19 <PhilippeB> Zakim,P10 is me
15:57:19 <Zakim> sorry, PhilippeB, I do not recognize a party named 'P10'
15:57:27 <AxelPolleres> Meeting: RIF telecon 2005-10-01
15:57:29 <PhilippeB> Zakim, ?P10 is me
15:57:29 <Zakim> sorry, PhilippeB, I do not recognize a party named '?P10'
15:57:30 <PaulaP> zakim, mute me
15:57:30 <Zakim> PaulaP should now be muted
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15:57:39 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:57:39 <PhilippeB> Zakim, ??P10 is me
15:57:40 <Zakim> +PhilippeB; got it
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15:57:53 <PhilippeB> Zakim,mute me
15:57:53 <Zakim> PhilippeB should now be muted
15:58:04 <Zakim> +JacekK
15:58:09 <Zakim> -holger
15:58:19 <Zakim> +Jos_de_Bruijn
15:58:37 <Zakim> +??P8
15:58:37 <AxelPolleres> Scribe: Axel Polleres
15:58:42 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
15:58:47 <Zakim> +[Fujitsu]
15:58:51 <AxelPolleres> ScribeNick: AxelPolleres
15:59:03 <Allen> zakim, Allen_Ginsberg is me
15:59:04 <Zakim> +Allen; got it
15:59:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:11 <fgm> Zakim , Fujitsu is me
15:59:14 <Allen> zakim, mute me
15:59:14 <Zakim> Allen should now be muted
15:59:18 <fgm> zakim, mute me
15:59:18 <Zakim> sorry, fgm, I do not see a party named 'fgm'
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15:59:32 <Zakim> MarkusK should now be muted
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15:59:37 <Zakim> +Uli_Sattler
15:59:59 <AxelPolleres> Chair: csma
16:00:06 <Zakim> +??P21
16:00:14 <Zakim> +igor
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16:00:32 <fgm> zakim, [fujitsu] is me
16:00:32 <Zakim> +fgm; got it
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16:00:37 <IgorMozetic> zakim, p21 is me
16:00:37 <Zakim> sorry, IgorMozetic, I do not recognize a party named 'p21'
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16:01:21 <IgorMozetic> zakim, ??p22 is me
16:01:21 <Zakim> I already had ??P22 as Scott_McGlashan, IgorMozetic
16:01:32 <ChrisW> you are p21
16:01:32 <IgorMozetic> zakim, mute me
16:01:32 <Zakim> sorry, IgorMozetic, I do not see a party named 'IgorMozetic'
16:01:36 <Zakim> -igor
16:01:39 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
16:01:41 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:01:42 <Guizhen> zakim, ??p8 is me
16:01:44 <Zakim> I already had ??P8 as DaveReynolds, Guizhen
16:01:46 <Zakim> +??P42
16:01:48 <Zakim> +Michael_Sintek
16:01:52 <Hassan> Zakim, mute me
16:01:53 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
16:01:56 <msintek> Zakim, mute me
16:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, msintek, I do not see a party named 'msintek'
16:02:20 <Zakim> +igor
16:02:30 <IanH> zakim, ??p42 is me
16:02:31 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
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16:02:35 <Zakim> +John_Hall
16:02:42 <Elisa> Elisa has joined #rif
16:02:48 <Harold> zakim, ??P42 is me
16:02:48 <Zakim> I already had ??P42 as IanH, Harold
16:02:48 <msintek> Zakim, mute me
16:02:49 <Zakim> msintek should now be muted
16:02:55 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
16:02:56 <kifer> zakim, +1.631.632.aaaa is kifer
16:02:56 <Zakim> John_Hall should now be muted
16:02:57 <Zakim> +kifer; got it
16:03:20 <Zakim> +??P48
16:03:39 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols
16:03:49 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
16:03:49 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
16:03:51 <Zakim> +David_Hirtle
16:03:51 <kifer> zakim, mute me
16:03:52 <Zakim> kifer should now be muted
16:03:55 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:04:12 <bill> anyone have the conference code?
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16:04:31 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
16:04:44 <Elisa> zakim, mute me
16:04:44 <Zakim> Elisa_Kendall should now be muted
16:04:45 <josb> bill: conference code is: 74394
16:04:51 <IgorMozetic> zakim, mute me
16:04:51 <IanH> zakim, mute me
16:04:52 <Guizhen> zakim, mute me
16:04:53 <bill> hmm... tried that
16:04:53 <aharth> it should be 74394# but it says it's invalid
16:04:59 <AxelPolleres> Topic: ADMIN
16:05:03 <bill> same thing i get
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16:05:09 <Zakim> sorry, IgorMozetic, I do not see a party named 'IgorMozetic'
16:05:10 <Zakim> IanH should now be muted
16:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, Guizhen, I do not see a party named 'Guizhen'
16:05:13 <DanC> DanC has joined #rif
16:05:15 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p48 is Leora_Morgenstern
16:05:15 <Zakim> +Leora_Morgenstern; got it
16:05:16 <josb> try to dial *0
16:05:22 <josb> you should be connected to an operator
16:05:30 <mdean> i'm also having trouble getting in - will try the operator
16:05:40 <igor> igor has joined #rif
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16:05:50 <IanH> I tried talking, and it seems I am muted (as I requested)
16:05:50 <DanC> ChrisW, do you have what you need for this meeting? Is sandro around?
16:06:00 <AxelPolleres> Christian: raminds all to start zakim interaction with /me
16:06:03 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:06:08 <Zakim> +??P49
16:06:21 <ChrisW> sandro is on the call
16:06:22 <Jos_De_Roo> Jos_De_Roo has joined #rif
16:06:25 <AxelPolleres> s/ramin/remin
16:06:29 <bill> ??P49 is me
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16:06:33 <Zakim> +igor
16:06:35 <Zakim> +DanC
16:06:40 <Zakim> +??P59
16:06:42 <bill> Zakim, ??P49 is me
16:06:42 <Zakim> +bill; got it
16:06:51 <igor> zakim, mute me
16:06:51 <Zakim> igor should now be muted
16:06:59 <bill> zakim, mute me
16:06:59 <Zakim> bill should now be muted
16:07:08 <AxelPolleres> Topic: accept minutes with minor modifications
16:07:18 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
16:07:27 <Zakim> + +1.503.525.aabb
16:07:28 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: csma (31%), ChrisW (42%), Deborah_Nichols (20%), ??P59 (21%)
16:07:35 <GaryHallmark> zakim, aabb is me
16:07:36 <Zakim> +GaryHallmark; got it
16:07:40 <FrancoisBry> Who is speaking? 
16:07:54 <GaryHallmark> zakim, mute me
16:07:54 <Zakim> GaryHallmark should now be muted
16:08:11 <PaulV> PaulV has joined #rif
16:08:19 <ChrisW> +1
16:08:37 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: RIF WG 10Jan. agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jan/0026.html
16:09:03 <Zakim> +Jos_De_Roo
16:09:08 <Zakim> +Andreas_Harth
16:09:16 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: RIF WG 10Jan. scribe: Axel Polleres agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jan/0026.html
16:09:38 <AxelPolleres> chris: replace standard bodies with organisations
16:09:51 <josb> +1
16:09:53 <igor> +1
16:09:58 <FrancoisBry> +1
16:09:58 <PaulaP> +1
16:10:02 <AxelPolleres> ... remove NIST from list.
16:10:31 <sandro> sandro has joined #rif
16:10:45 <AxelPolleres> ... change systems to rule systems in Benajmins action item
16:10:50 <AxelPolleres> s/chris/csma
16:10:56 <Guizhen> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:10:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres (muted), FrancoisBry (muted), csma, PhilippeB (muted), PaulaP (muted), ChrisW, JacekK, josb (muted), DaveReynolds (muted), Allen (muted), fgm,
16:10:59 <Zakim> ... MarkusK (muted), Uli_Sattler, holger (muted), Ugo_Corda, kifer (muted), [NRCC], IanH (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), msintek (muted), John_Hall (muted), Leora_Morgenstern,
16:11:08 <Zakim> ... Deborah_Nichols, DavidHirtle, Sandro, Elisa_Kendall (muted), Mike_Dean, bill (muted), igor (muted), DanC, MinsuJang, GaryHallmark (muted), Jos_De_Roo, Andreas_Harth
16:11:08 <Zakim> DaveReynolds has DaveReynolds, JeremyCarroll
16:11:13 <AxelPolleres> csma: minutes accepted, no further agenda items.
16:11:32 <ChrisW> q?
16:11:37 <Zakim> -DanC
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16:12:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ??? [continued]
16:13:27 <JeremyCarroll> +1 to Sandro; WG is public, technical discussion is public
16:14:00 <Zakim> +josb
16:14:25 <AxelPolleres> csma: For member-list is to use only for issues which are member confidential.
16:14:32 <AxelPolleres> s/??? Wiki-usage
16:14:37 <AxelPolleres> s/???/Wiki-usage
16:15:20 <aharth> aharth has joined #rif
16:15:29 <PaulV> Zakim, ??P25 is me
16:15:29 <Zakim> +PaulV; got it
16:15:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued]
16:15:51 <AxelPolleres> Topic: Liaison
16:15:59 <Guizhen> zakim, who is on the phone
16:15:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Guizhen
16:16:10 <ChrisW> ACTION: sandro update main web page re: meetings
16:16:15 <ChrisW> DONE.
16:16:19 <Guizhen> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:16:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres (muted), FrancoisBry (muted), csma, PhilippeB (muted), PaulaP (muted), ChrisW, JacekK, DaveReynolds (muted), Allen (muted), fgm, MarkusK (muted),
16:16:22 <Zakim> ... Uli_Sattler, holger (muted), Ugo_Corda, kifer (muted), [NRCC], IanH (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), msintek (muted), John_Hall (muted), leoram, Deborah_Nichols, DavidHirtle,
16:16:26 <Zakim> ... Sandro, Elisa_Kendall (muted), Mike_Dean, bill (muted), igor (muted), MinsuJang (muted), GaryHallmark (muted), Jos_De_Roo, Andreas_Harth, PaulV, josb
16:16:28 <ChrisW> ACTION: sandro add link about wiki usage
16:16:30 <ChrisW> DONE
16:16:31 <Zakim> DaveReynolds has DaveReynolds, JeremyCarroll
16:16:48 <ChrisW> q?
16:17:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued]
16:17:44 <ChrisW> Enrico Franconi to be SPARQL liason
16:18:09 <FrancoisBry> Massimo Marchiori would be a good liaison for XQuery/XPath, I think.
16:18:25 <ChrisW> +1
16:18:39 <ChrisW> Paul Vincent to liason for PRR
16:19:05 <Harold> q+
16:19:23 <Elisa> zakim, unmute me
16:19:23 <Zakim> Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted
16:19:30 <Elisa> q+
16:20:19 <AxelPolleres> Chris: Liaison only required for formal standards bodies activities
16:20:50 <AxelPolleres> q?
16:21:41 <ChrisW> ack Elisa
16:21:48 <ChrisW> ack harold
16:22:07 <AxelPolleres> Elisa: ISO joint task force 1 ??? workinggroup might be interesting
16:22:58 <AxelPolleres> ... for liaison. Contact Ed Barkmeyer.
16:23:17 <Zakim> -JacekK
16:23:21 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: csma to ask them whether liaison is worthwhile and why
16:23:34 <ChrisW> he is not
16:24:03 <ChrisW> harry delugach is the formal ISO member for CL
16:24:04 <AxelPolleres> s/them/ISO
16:24:27 <Zakim> +josb.a
16:24:38 <AxelPolleres> csma: further liaisons to be proposed by mail
16:24:41 <ChrisW> Agendum: 3. Use Case & Requirements (35 min)
16:24:45 <ChrisW> q?
16:24:47 <AxelPolleres> topic: use cases and requirements
16:25:10 <Allen> +q
16:25:14 <Allen> q
16:25:18 <sandro> you mean q+
16:25:23 <Zakim> -Allen
16:25:31 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Use case editors publish first draft by Jan 17
16:25:31 <AxelPolleres>  CONTINUED.
16:25:44 <Allen> Oops dropped the call be right back
16:26:29 <Zakim> +Allen
16:26:31 <AxelPolleres> David: Allen sent out a classification this morning per mail.
16:26:48 <AxelPolleres> ... to be discussed.
16:26:52 <Allen> +zakim, unmute me
16:27:23 <AxelPolleres> csma: to be discussed together with the editors' draft.
16:27:49 <AxelPolleres> Allen: will add classification to the Wiki.
16:28:05 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/General_Use_Case_Categories
16:28:07 <Elisa> For Liaison potential:  ISO IEC  Joint Task Force 1, SC 32, Working Group 2: Metadata Standards
16:28:30 <Elisa> US national body is ANSI L8
16:28:56 <Elisa> Web site for this organization is http://metadata-standards.org/
16:28:58 <AxelPolleres> ... contains sort of in spirit of OWL-use case doc a list of categories of requirements and a classification
16:29:38 <AxelPolleres> s/ISO joint task force 1 ??? workinggroup/ISO IEC  Joint Task Force 1, SC 32, Working Group 2: Metadata Standards
16:29:39 <sandro> +1     great idea
16:29:51 <PaulaP> +1 good idea
16:29:51 <Elisa> Current work includes standards for metadata registration (including ontology and potentially rules related
16:30:32 <Elisa> metadata registration), model registration, metadata interoperability, and Common Logic
16:30:49 <AxelPolleres> csma: main objective is of this document is to check whether all requirements are covered or whether we missed anything.
16:30:52 <ChrisW> q?
16:31:00 <AxelPolleres> +1
16:31:09 <igor> q?
16:31:40 <FrancoisBry> Allen/David use case classification is focused on application fields. Is this enough? 
16:31:46 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: Agreement on grouping use cases in more abstract categories.
16:31:53 <DavidHirtle> thanks for the wiki fix, Markusk :)
16:33:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is speaking?
16:33:32 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Allen (17%), Sandro (4%), DavidHirtle (33%)
16:34:09 <AxelPolleres> David,Allen: summarize their classification.
16:34:47 <fgm> are we permited to suggest new use cases?
16:35:16 <ChrisW> ack hassan
16:35:17 <GaryHallmark> Enterprise Information Integration is under Decision Support rather than Information Integration
16:35:50 <MarkusK> Yes, I wondered too, why this is the case.
16:35:52 <FrancoisBry> q+
16:35:53 <AxelPolleres> Hassan: As for use cases classification, hassan sees two axes: language issues or certain application situations.
16:36:01 <FrancoisBry> zakim, unmute me
16:36:01 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should no longer be muted
16:36:13 <AxelPolleres> ... discrimination should be done on these criteria.
16:36:30 <Allen> zakim, queue me
16:36:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'queue me', Allen
16:36:42 <IanH> q+
16:36:42 <Allen> +q
16:36:45 <Allen> q
16:37:06 <AxelPolleres> Francois: Classification by David and Allen is driven by applications, but classification by types of rules and data accessed should be considered. 
16:37:14 <sandro> q+ to say what FrancoisBry is saying sounds like Requirements
16:37:19 <AxelPolleres> ... also relationships to query languages.
16:37:37 <FrancoisBry> zakim, mute me
16:37:37 <Zakim> FrancoisBry should now be muted
16:38:43 <AxelPolleres> Allen: classification is more like functionality than applications.
16:39:23 <DavidHirtle> here's the OWL UC&R document we refer to: http://www.w3.org/TR/webont-req/
16:39:38 <DavidHirtle> (recommendation)
16:39:44 <FrancoisBry> The same functionality can be achieved either by active rules or deductive rule. 
16:40:30 <FrancoisBry> Starting somewhere: +1
16:40:52 <AxelPolleres> csma: We have to start somewhere, and Allen's/David's classification will help to progress. Any list of categories can be discussed.
16:42:41 <AxelPolleres> Ian: Use cases which aare asking for certain features to increase language expressivity should be considered.
16:43:16 <AxelPolleres> ... although general and maybe not specific to one use concrete usage scenario.
16:43:44 <AxelPolleres> s/use//
16:44:04 <josb> csma: +1
16:44:25 <josb> q+
16:45:47 <AxelPolleres> csma: put more expressive KR into rule language/engine classification
16:46:26 <DavidHirtle> the email-to-wiki transfer is done: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/General_Use_Case_Categories
16:46:30 <AxelPolleres> Allen: Can add a category "Rich Knowledge Representation features".
16:47:19 <sandro> ack sandro
16:47:19 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to say what FrancoisBry is saying sounds like Requirements
16:47:42 <msintek> msintek has left #rif
16:47:46 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: what FrancoisBry is saying sounds more like Requirements
16:47:50 <Zakim> -msintek
16:47:55 <Zakim> -kifer
16:48:06 <AxelPolleres> ... Use cases should be more marketing, i.e. WHY RIF is to be used.
16:48:17 <csma> +1
16:48:35 <johnhall> I volunteer Said Tabet and me for regulation/constraint compliance
16:48:36 <FrancoisBry> +1
16:48:57 <IanH> yes
16:48:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Ian writes up a new category in the use cases
16:49:33 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Sandro to take over  Interoperability Across Rule Engines and Tools
16:49:45 <sandro> s/Sandro/CSMA
16:49:56 <johnhall> q+
16:50:00 <DaveReynolds> I could do #6 (publication) - should be relatively short since there's only two entries at present :-)
16:50:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: allen to  take over Third Party Rule-Interchange-Enabling Service Providers
16:51:04 <csma> You can volunteer for a category on IRC...
16:51:26 <johnhall> q-
16:51:31 <Allen> new page for general rule cases is http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/General_Use_Case_Categories
16:52:08 <Harold> Hi DaveReynolds, fine with me (having entered the other entry in #6)
16:52:49 <PaulaP> I volunteer for Policy-based transaction authorization and access control
16:53:13 <AxelPolleres> Hassan: Classification should reflect the issues in the use case template. categorisation more explicit on interchange.
16:53:32 <Zakim> +kifer
16:53:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Paula to take over Policy-based transaction authorization and access control
16:54:28 <AxelPolleres> Allen: some use cases still unclassified/incomplete.
16:55:24 <AxelPolleres> David: feel free to add more information to use cases.
16:55:45 <ChrisW> q+
16:55:54 <Zakim> -Uli_Sattler
16:56:33 <AxelPolleres> Chris: could allen and david check use cases which are not template-compliant.
16:56:55 <FrancoisBry> Sorry, I must leave now. Bye! 
16:56:58 <FrancoisBry> quit
16:57:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Allen and David to check use cases for template-compliance and list them on the mailinglist.
16:57:53 <Zakim> +Uli_Sattler
16:58:08 <DavidHirtle> q+
16:58:34 <ChrisW> q-
16:58:45 <Zakim> -FrancoisBry
16:58:51 <AxelPolleres> csma: this will e.g. help to identify where proper systemsa are already available or not yet.
16:59:23 <DavidHirtle> q-
17:00:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Frank to take over Information Integration
17:00:51 <johnhall> q+
17:01:16 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Said to take over Regulation/Constraint Compliance Monitoring
17:01:17 <DaveReynolds> I volunteered for #6 and Harold said he was happy with that
17:01:49 <johnhall> q-
17:02:18 <johnhall> I already volunteered Said and me for reg compliance
17:02:19 <DaveReynolds> #6 = publication
17:03:12 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Dave to take over Publication 
17:03:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chrisW to find somebody for Decision Support
17:03:51 <AxelPolleres> s/Dave/Dave Reynolds/
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'actions'
17:04:22 <Hassan> who's beeping?
17:04:50 <Zakim> -kifer
17:05:01 <AxelPolleres> Allen: Deadline for update 48h from now.
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> I see 16 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-actions.rdf :
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ??? [continued] [1]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-12-45
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued] [2]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-15-33
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page re: meetings [3]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-16-10
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro add link about wiki usage [4]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-16-28
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued] [5]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-17-37
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: csma to ask them whether liaison is worthwhile and why [6]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-23-21
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Use case editors publish first draft by Jan 17 [7]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-25-31
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian writes up a new category in the use cases [8]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-48-58
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to take over  Interoperability Across Rule Engines and Tools [9]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-49-33
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: allen to  take over Third Party Rule-Interchange-Enabling Service Providers [10]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-50-02
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paula to take over Policy-based transaction authorization and access control [11]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-53-37
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Allen and David to check use cases for template-compliance and list them on the mailinglist. [12]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-57-24
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Frank to take over Information Integration [13]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-00-32
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Said to take over Regulation/Constraint Compliance Monitoring [14]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-01-16
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dave to take over Publication  [15]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-03-12
17:07:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chrisW to find somebody for Decision Support [16]
17:07:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-03-41
17:09:14 <PaulaP> +1
17:09:15 <AxelPolleres> +1
17:09:15 <sandro> +1
17:09:45 <Allen> zakim, mute me
17:09:45 <Zakim> Allen should now be muted
17:09:58 <AxelPolleres> Topic: OWL & RDF Compatibility
17:10:21 <josb> There was hardly any change on the wiki
17:10:27 <ChrisW> q+ to talk about email
17:10:31 <AxelPolleres> Sandro: not much change on the wiki recently.
17:11:02 <PieroB> PieroB has joined #rif
17:11:02 <ChrisW> q-
17:11:34 <josb> it was started by Michael Sintek
17:11:38 <AxelPolleres> ChrisW: let's talk about email-thread.
17:11:49 <AxelPolleres> ... Relationship to SPARQL.
17:12:18 <josb> q+
17:12:22 <AxelPolleres> ... Do we commit to be compatible with SPARQL? Does this give us RDF compatibility?
17:12:24 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to answer
17:12:28 <AxelPolleres> q+
17:12:46 <IanH> q+
17:13:13 <ChrisW> ack josb
17:13:16 <AxelPolleres> csma: what than about OWL?
17:13:47 <Zakim> +??P4
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17:14:07 <AxelPolleres> Jos: depends on what we mean by "compatibility".
17:14:39 <AxelPolleres> q-
17:14:52 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to answer
17:15:36 <AxelPolleres> Jeremy: Compatibility with SPARQL, boils down to compatibility with RDF Semantics.
17:15:40 <Zakim> -??P4
17:15:58 <AxelPolleres> ... not considered in SPARQL primarily.
17:16:37 <AxelPolleres> Ian: Propose query language and language for expressing conditions
17:16:38 <Zakim> + +39.0.aacc
17:16:47 <JeremyCarroll> Jeremy: said SPARQL is primarily about RDF graph not about RDF semantics
17:16:49 <josb> +1
17:16:55 <PieroB> Zakim, aacc is me
17:16:55 <Zakim> +PieroB; got it
17:17:09 <AxelPolleres> i/Propose/SPARQL/
17:17:16 <josb> +++++1
17:17:20 <JeremyCarroll> -1
17:18:05 <DaveReynolds> -1
17:18:29 <ChrisW> -1
17:18:40 <AxelPolleres> csma: move the discussion to email.
17:19:37 <AxelPolleres> chris,jeremy,daveReynolds: disagree with Ian and stress importance of RDF semantics.
17:20:08 <AxelPolleres> Topic: Classification
17:20:12 <Zakim> -bill
17:20:16 <Harold> q+
17:20:19 <josb> q+
17:20:41 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: benjamin to start a wiki page with initial list of systems [continued]
17:21:17 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Harold to add fine classification [done]
17:21:20 <Harold> q-
17:21:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chris to clarify desiderata for list of classifications [continued]
17:21:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chris to provide classifications draft Jan 31
17:21:49 <AxelPolleres>  CONTINUED.
17:22:30 <Zakim> -MinsuJang
17:22:34 <Harold> q+
17:23:15 <AxelPolleres> Harold: somehow resolved Banjamin's action already with respect to languages, but not systems.
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17:23:58 <PhilippeB> q+
17:24:20 <AxelPolleres> jos: Is the classification about rule languages or implementations? 
17:24:48 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:25:23 <PhilippeB> q-
17:25:33 <AxelPolleres> Chris: current classification by harold does not cover implemented systems.
17:25:58 <AxelPolleres> ... people should add their implemented systems.
17:26:23 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: csma to open a page for collecting systems.
17:27:20 <AxelPolleres> hassan: dont't know where in the classification to add implemented languages which spread over harolds classification.
17:27:39 <AxelPolleres> csma: please continue discussion on the mailinglist.
17:27:45 <Hassan> Zakim, mute me
17:27:45 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
17:28:19 <AxelPolleres> csma: nothing to add for classification
17:28:26 <AxelPolleres> topic: AOB
17:28:31 <AxelPolleres> csma: no issues
17:28:58 <Zakim> -John_Hall
17:29:00 <Zakim> -GaryHallmark
17:29:01 <ugo> ugo has left #rif
17:29:01 <AxelPolleres> csma: All check action items and discuss on the list!!!
17:29:03 <Zakim> -holger.a
17:29:04 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
17:29:05 <Zakim> -igor
17:29:07 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
17:29:08 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
17:29:09 <Zakim> -MarkusK
17:29:10 <Zakim> -PaulV
17:29:11 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:29:12 <Zakim> -Ugo_Corda
17:29:13 <Zakim> -Allen
17:29:14 <Zakim> -PieroB
17:29:16 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
17:29:18 <Zakim> -Jos_De_Roo
17:29:20 <Zakim> -fgm
17:29:22 <Zakim> -Andreas_Harth
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17:29:30 <Zakim> -DavidHirtle
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17:29:32 <Zakim> -Guizhen?
17:29:33 <CGI747> exit
17:29:34 <Zakim> -josb
17:29:36 <Zakim> -[NRCC]
17:29:38 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
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17:29:44 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
17:29:47 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:29:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, PhilippeB (muted), ChrisW, holger (muted), Deborah_Nichols
17:30:00 <Zakim> -Deborah_Nichols
17:30:08 <csma> csma has left #rif
17:30:10 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:30:27 <PieroB> exit
17:30:30 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list attendees
17:30:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, FrancoisBry, csma, PaulaP, holger, PhilippeB, ChrisW, JacekK, josb, DaveReynolds, Allen, MarkusK, igor, fgm, Ugo_Corda,
17:30:34 <Zakim> ... [NRCC], Hassan_Ait-Kaci, IanH, msintek, John_Hall, kifer, Deborah_Nichols, Sandro, DavidHirtle, Elisa_Kendall, Mike_Dean, DanC, bill, JeremyCarroll, +1.503.525.aabb, MinsuJang,
17:30:36 <Zakim> ... GaryHallmark, Jos_De_Roo, Andreas_Harth, leoram, PaulV, Guizhen?, +39.0.aacc, PieroB, Evan_Wallace
17:30:38 <Zakim> -csma
17:30:43 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, list participants
17:30:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, FrancoisBry, csma, PaulaP, holger, PhilippeB, ChrisW, JacekK, josb, DaveReynolds, Allen, MarkusK, igor, fgm, Ugo_Corda,
17:30:44 <PieroB> -PieroB
17:30:46 <Zakim> ... [NRCC], Hassan_Ait-Kaci, IanH, msintek, John_Hall, kifer, Deborah_Nichols, Sandro, DavidHirtle, Elisa_Kendall, Mike_Dean, DanC, bill, JeremyCarroll, +1.503.525.aabb, MinsuJang,
17:30:48 <Zakim> ... GaryHallmark, Jos_De_Roo, Andreas_Harth, leoram, PaulV, Guizhen?, +39.0.aacc, PieroB, Evan_Wallace
17:31:13 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:31:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-minutes.html AxelPolleres
17:31:29 <ChrisW> excellent!  Nice job Axel, and thanks!
17:31:50 <AxelPolleres> thanks, hope I didn't miss too much.
17:31:51 <ChrisW> zakim, bye
17:31:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were AxelPolleres, FrancoisBry, csma, PaulaP, holger, PhilippeB, ChrisW, JacekK, josb, DaveReynolds, Allen, MarkusK, igor, fgm, Ugo_Corda,
17:31:51 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rif
17:31:54 <ChrisW> rrsagent, bye
17:31:54 <RRSAgent> I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-actions.rdf :
17:31:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ??? [continued] [1]
17:31:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-12-45
17:31:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued] [2]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-15-33
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page re: meetings [3]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-16-10
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro add link about wiki usage [4]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-16-28
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro update main web page [continued] [5]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-17-37
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: csma to ask them whether liaison is worthwhile and why [6]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-23-21
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Use case editors publish first draft by Jan 17 [7]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-25-31
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian writes up a new category in the use cases [8]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-48-58
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to take over  Interoperability Across Rule Engines and Tools [9]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-49-33
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: allen to  take over Third Party Rule-Interchange-Enabling Service Providers [10]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-50-02
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paula to take over Policy-based transaction authorization and access control [11]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-53-37
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Allen and David to check use cases for template-compliance and list them on the mailinglist. [12]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T16-57-24
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Frank to take over Information Integration [13]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-00-32
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Said to take over Regulation/Constraint Compliance Monitoring [14]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-01-16
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dave to take over Publication  [15]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-03-12
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chrisW to find somebody for Decision Support [16]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-03-41
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: benjamin to start a wiki page with initial list of systems [continued] [17]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-20-41
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Harold to add fine classification [done] [18]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-21-17
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chris to clarify desiderata for list of classifications [continued] [19]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-21-36
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: chris to provide classifications draft Jan 31 [20]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-21-49
17:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: csma to open a page for collecting systems. [21]
17:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-rif-irc#T17-26-23
17:31:56 <Zakim> ... [NRCC], Hassan_Ait-Kaci, IanH, msintek, John_Hall, kifer, Deborah_Nichols, Sandro, DavidHirtle, Elisa_Kendall, Mike_Dean, DanC, bill, JeremyCarroll, +1.503.525.aabb, MinsuJang,
17:31:58 <Zakim> ... GaryHallmark, Jos_De_Roo, Andreas_Harth, leoram, PaulV, Guizhen?, +39.0.aacc, PieroB, Evan_Wallace