ISSUE-60: BP 5.5.6 Valid or conformant markup

BP 5.5.6 Valid or conformant markup

State:

CLOSED

Product:

Best Practices Document

Raised by:

Greg Aaron

Opened on:

2005-11-11

Description:

-----Original Message-----
From: member-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:member-bpwg-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Giles Payne(NTT DoCoMo)
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 12:34 AM
To: member-bpwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Proposed Issue ref 5.5.6 Valid Markup



All,

As I understand it:

\"well-formed-ness\" covers things like \"a start tag must have a
corresponding end tag\"
\"valid-ness\" covers things like \"a TR element may only occur inside a
TABLE element\"

Both of these seem like no brainers. Since valid-ness implies
well-formed-ness I don\'t think you need to explicitly mention
\"well-formed-ness\" unless you feel like it.

My proposed text:

Create documents that are valid (i.e. conform to published
formal grammars.)

Giles


On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:11:06 -0000
\"Jo Rabin\" <jo@linguafranca.org> wrote:

> Kai
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> I\'m sorry of I did not make it clear but my question was, should we replace
> the recommendation to be valid with a recommendation to be well-formed.
> Validity checking being more onerous, of course. In my opinion, we should
> not - however we should consider this.
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> Jo
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> _____
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> From: member-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:member-bpwg-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Scheppe, Kai-Dietrich
> Sent: 10 November 2005 13:32
> To: member-bpwg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Proposed Issue ref 5.5.6 Valid Markup
>
>
>
> Hi Jo,
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> Technically speaking validity and wellformedness are two different things.
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> Valid content has correct grammar, meaning elements have on the allowed and
> correctly formatted attributes, all elements are allowed etc.
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> Wellformedness refers to the structure of the markup, for example in the
> case of nested elements.
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> As such a proposal for a reformulation:
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> 5.5.6 Valid Markup
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> Current: Create documents that validate to published formal grammars.
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> Proposal: Create documents which are valid and wellformed
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> 5.5.6.1 What it means
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> Current: If the page markup is invalid this will result in unpredictable and
> possibly incomplete presentation.
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> Proposal: If a page is invalid or not wellformed, browsers and rendering
> engines may misinterpret the intentions of the author.
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>
> --Kai
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> _____
>
>
> From: member-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:member-bpwg-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Jo Rabin
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:15 PM
> To: member-bpwg@w3.org
> Subject: Proposed Issue ref 5.5.6 Valid Markup
>
> When we say \"validate\" to published formal grammars do we really mean
> validate or do we merely mean \"be well-formed\"?
>
>
>
> Jo

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