IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-12-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-irc
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
- 21:08:29 [David]
- proposal to close all issues that have unanimity
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- agenda+ WCAG SC that contain "programmatically determined"
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.1
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 3.1
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 2.2
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- agenda+ Issues for Guideline 1.2
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- agenda+ Planning and next steps
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- resolution: close issues 959, 1101, 1406, 1407, 1435, 1567. 813, 1460. 1656. 1655. 880. 943. 987. 1385. survey results showed everyone accepting
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- Agenda?
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- RRSAgent, take up agendum 1
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up agendum 1', ben_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- RRSAgent, take up agendum 1
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up agendum 1', ben_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 21:12:00 [gregg]
- ack k
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- ack j
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "WCAG SC that contain "programmatically determined"" taken up [from ben_]
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- ack y
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- ack Tim
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- ack l
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- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- ack rell
- 21:17:35 [rellero]
- Not am I
- 21:17:52 [ben_]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:17:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Yvette_Hoitink, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Judy,
- 21:17:56 [Zakim]
- ... Gian_Sampson-Wild?, rellero, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- zakim, rellero is Gian
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- +Gian; got it
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- zakim, Gian_Sampson-Wild is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- zakim, Gian is Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
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- q?
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- ack Alex
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- Michael has joined #wai-wcag
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- ack Yve
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- q+
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- +Wendy
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- ack Dav
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- q+
- 21:22:41 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:22:52 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (29%), Tim_Boland (9%), Gregg_and_Ben (59%), Gian_Sampson-Wild (20%)
- 21:23:09 [ben_]
- ack Gian
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- ack gregg
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- +??P26
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- zakim, ??P26 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
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- ack Lor
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- ack John
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- ack Alex
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- zakim, ack Gregg
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- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 21:45:12 [ben_]
- open issues related to programmatically determined definition: http://tinyurl.com/e2r2w
- 21:45:25 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, drop action 1
- 21:45:28 [David]
- resolution : there are several open issues, we don't have consensus to swap out the definition of Programatically determined. We will leave it open...
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- Action:Gian and David to cover issues around programmatically determined, to work on the term and the definition
- 21:45:46 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
- 21:45:48 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Issues for Guideline 1.1 [from ben_]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Issues for Guideline 1.1" taken up [from ben_]
- 21:47:34 [David]
- RRSAgent, drop action 3
- 21:52:10 [wendy]
- proposed defn is very in sync w/wikipedia defn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video
- 21:57:43 [David]
- resolution: adopt the definition ofvideo as proposed "the technology of moving pictures or images. Video can be made up of animated or photographic images, or both."
- 21:59:56 [bengt]
- wikipedia describes it as live instead of realtime
- 22:01:16 [David]
- resolution: Issue 952, Issue 1428, and Issue 1600 closed as addressed by current edits and wording
- 22:03:18 [David]
- action: John will do what he has listed in the comment will write up something based on his comments "But end-users who are not aware of distinctions made by WCAG might be helped by some sort of notice for silent video-- maybe not in every case, but sometimes, e.g., in a clip from an early Charlie Chaplin film. "How to Meet..." doc could suggest that authors consider when such notice might be appropriate. This might actually belong under GL 1.1.2 (01 Dece
- 22:08:05 [David]
- resolution: reject option one and reject option 2 in issue 1599 keep the current wording and do the second item "Clarify this in the how to meet document by revising the intent section and adding examples to How to meet 1.1.2 as follows: "
- 22:09:32 [David]
- s/reject option one and reject option 2/reject option one and accept option 2
- 22:10:50 [ben_]
- ack Katie
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- ack John
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- q+
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- ack ben
- 22:15:52 [David]
- resolution: close 1626 revise benefit to read, "People who are deaf, are hard of hearing, or who are having trouble understanding audio information for any reason can read the text presentation or (in the future) have it translated and presented as sign language by assistive technology."
- 22:16:14 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Issues for Guideline 3.1 [from ben_]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Issues for Guideline 3.1" taken up [from ben_]
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- ack John
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- ack John
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- ack Gian
- 22:22:48 [Judy]
- q+
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- ack Judy
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- ack Gian
- 22:26:27 [wendy]
- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack Kesh
- 22:29:09 [David]
- q+
- 22:33:07 [ben_]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:33:08 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:33:19 [Zakim]
- ben_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (70%), John_Slatin (37%), Yvette_Hoitink (94%)
- 22:33:26 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Yvette
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 22:33:28 [wendy]
- oops
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- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (11%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (16%), Gregg_and_Ben (55%)
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- ack Yve
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- -Yvette_Hoitink
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- zakim, mute katie
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- Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted
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- ack david
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- ack Dav
- 22:36:06 [rellero]
- sorry I have to leave
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- ack Gian
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- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:38:52 [ben_]
- q+ to say, "time check? there are still 2.5 surveys on the agenda to get through"
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- ack Gian
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- ack ben
- 22:40:47 [Zakim]
- ben_, you wanted to say, "time check? there are still 2.5 surveys on the agenda to get through"
- 22:40:47 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:40:57 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (39%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (14%), Tim_Boland (21%), Gregg_and_Ben (39%), John_Slatin (4%),
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- ... Alex_Li (14%), Judy (20%), Gian_Sampson-Wild (4%)
- 22:41:25 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:41:36 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (20%), Tim_Boland (51%), Gregg_and_Ben (65%), Judy (4%)
- 22:41:41 [wendy]
- zakim, close tim
- 22:41:41 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close tim', wendy
- 22:41:49 [wendy]
- zakim, mute tim
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 22:44:15 [David]
- resolution: close issue#1134 change " at level 1" to " in wcag 2" change gl 3.1.5 to sc 3.1.5 and add to end "3.1.5 at level 3 because it is a new and untested approach and there is not widespread experieince with it. The WG is concerned that the requirement would put to much constraint on authors of general purpose web sites.
- 22:45:52 [Tim]
- Tim has left #wai-wcag
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- -Tim_Boland
- 22:50:17 [David]
- resolution: close Issue 1127 - "Provide a clear representational image on the site's home page" and put it as an advisory technique in the section 3.15 technology independent. And include an example in the technique
- 22:50:18 [ben_]
- ack Katie
- 22:56:53 [David]
- resolution: close Issue 1129 as proposed- Add an advisory technology-independent technique for 3.1.5 for "providing content summaries via metadata." An additional advisory technique would be, "Making metadata human-viewable" (for example, the National Library of Medicine Web site includes a link in the navbar to view metadata--- not sure it's on all pages but it's on some of them and very useful).
- 22:57:19 [Judy]
- q+
- 22:57:21 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 22:57:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Judy, Gian_Sampson-Wild,
- 22:57:24 [Zakim]
- ... Michael_Cooper, Wendy
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- q-
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- q+
- 23:00:26 [ben_]
- ack Judy
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- ack John
- 23:07:49 [David]
- resolution: close Issue 1711 - use and description of dyslexia in benefits sections, The Benefits section for 3.1.1 is similar to (but shorter than) the material quoted from 3.1.5 but uses the term "learning disabilities" instead of "reading disabilities.", change to "reading and intellectual disabilities"
- 23:08:03 [ben_]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:08:06 [Zakim]
- 4. Issues for Guideline 2.2 [from ben_]
- 23:08:43 [wendy]
- q+ part of review process of monthly publications - ppl can pick up and submit concerns/edits
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- q+
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 23:15:17 [David]
- group thank you to Michael for all the work converting the format of the techniques.
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Gian_Sampson-Wild
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Wendy
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Judy
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, +31.17.24.aaaa, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
- 23:16:06 [Zakim]
- ... Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild?, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy
- 23:20:39 [bengt]
- bengt has left #wai-wcag
- 23:21:46 [ben_]
- RRSAgent, please generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
- 23:34:52 [gregg]
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- chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
- 23:37:33 [ben_]
- Regrets: Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_
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- Regrets: Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Castaldo, Becky_Gibson, Don_Evans, Luca_Mascaro, Diane Stottlemyer, Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:38:42 [ben_]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
- 23:41:14 [ben_]
- David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy
- 23:41:20 [ben_]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 23:41:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
- 23:45:31 [ben_]
- Present: David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, John_Slatin, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Gregg_and_Ben, Bengt_Farre, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Yvette_Hoitink, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Roberto_Ellero, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Wendy
- 23:45:37 [ben_]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 23:45:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_