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14:49:34 <JibberJim> Hi shadi, I've got a phone problem, I may not be on the call
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14:49:43 <shadi> :(
14:49:53 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
14:49:53 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:50:09 <JibberJim> I'm on a client-site and VOIP isn't working and I've not got a regular phone, I'm trying to find out if I can use one of their phones.
14:51:05 <shadi> persuade them with a beer maybe?
14:51:13 <JibberJim> :-)
14:51:14 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
14:51:24 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Nov/0020.html
14:51:44 <shadi> agenda+ Debrief from face to face meeting
14:51:56 <shadi> agenda+ Update from the Evaluation Tools Task Force (ET TF)
14:52:05 <shadi> agenda+ extending the experimental HTTP namespace
14:52:13 <shadi> agenda+ using locations with XPath
14:52:24 <shadi> agenda+ Robust metadata revisited
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15:00:11 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
15:00:13 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:00:26 <Zakim> +Thomas
15:01:19 <shadi> zakim, thomas is really johannes, carlos
15:01:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'thomas is really johannes, carlos', shadi
15:01:24 <shadi> zakim, thomas is really johannes carlos
15:01:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'thomas is really johannes carlos', shadi
15:01:30 <shadi> zakim, thomas is really johannes
15:01:30 <Zakim> +johannes; got it
15:01:43 <shadi> zakim, johannes has carlos
15:01:43 <Zakim> +carlos; got it
15:02:10 <Zakim> +??P10
15:02:55 <shadi> zakim, ??p10 is really chris
15:02:55 <Zakim> +chris; got it
15:05:08 <ChrisR> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Debrief from face to face meeting" taken up [from shadi]
15:07:16 <ChrisR> everyone to complete action items from FTF
15:08:09 <Zakim> +Jim_Ley
15:08:15 <ChrisR> we should be working on schema and update soon
15:09:35 <ChrisR> Shadi will update soon with resolutions from FTF
15:09:50 <ChrisR> zakim, close item 1
15:09:50 <Zakim> agendum 1, Debrief from face to face meeting, closed
15:09:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:09:52 <Zakim> 2. Update from the Evaluation Tools Task Force (ET TF) [from shadi]
15:10:00 <ChrisR> zakim, take up item 2
15:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update from the Evaluation Tools Task Force (ET TF)" taken up [from shadi]
15:10:42 <ChrisR> ET TF has started!
15:11:13 <ChrisR> all tool info will be entered in structured form in database
15:11:59 <ChrisR> SAZ: what to do about some tools that could be deleted? We'll bring up at tomorrow's ETTF meeting.
15:12:55 <ChrisR> SAZ: will contact Jim re his ER tools.
15:13:49 <ChrisR> zakim, close item 2
15:13:49 <Zakim> agendum 2, Update from the Evaluation Tools Task Force (ET TF), closed
15:13:51 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:13:52 <Zakim> 3. extending the experimental HTTP namespace [from shadi]
15:13:59 <ChrisR> zakim, take up item 3
15:13:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "extending the experimental HTTP namespace" taken up [from shadi]
15:14:37 <ChrisR> SAZ: Eric P suggested we extend schema to describe delivery unit. JK has drafted something...
15:15:18 <ChrisR> JK: Has reviewed HTTP protocol. Created classes for each method.
15:16:28 <ChrisR> JK: Content type and length property names are upper case, would like lower case.
15:17:32 <ChrisR> SAZ: How classes and properties chosen?
15:18:54 <ChrisR> JK: description of logic - seemed straightforward.
15:20:28 <ChrisR> (discussion of delivery unit)
15:23:02 <ChrisR> (should we call it delivery unit or web resource?)
15:24:42 <ChrisR> JL: we should make properties lower case
15:25:41 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:25:52 <shadi> oops
15:25:55 <shadi> redialing
15:26:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:27:06 <ChrisR> SAZ: From FTF we decided that EARL can have multiple HTTP requests/respones that define what we're testing. Should not be a single resource.
15:27:58 <ChrisR> JK: Glossary seems to be out of date with real usage.
15:29:23 <ChrisR> SZ: A delivery unit is a series of requests/responses. This seems to be different from glossary.
15:31:26 <JohannesK> thread on www-di about DUs starting with <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-di/2005Aug/0001.html>
15:31:58 <ChrisR> SAZ: We should not confine our definition of delivery unit to single HTTP request.
15:33:21 <ChrisR> SAZ: Can use Dublin Core "has part".
15:36:28 <ChrisR> SAZ: question - use namespaces to differentiate?
15:39:56 <ChrisR> JL: We need a way to capture headers.
15:41:47 <ChrisR> SAZ: We should remove the EARL HTTP request/response because just wrappers.
15:44:02 <ChrisR> action: JK will research issue of request/response and delivery unit and send to list.
15:48:56 <ChrisR> zakim, close item 3
15:48:56 <Zakim> agendum 3, extending the experimental HTTP namespace, closed
15:48:57 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:48:59 <Zakim> 4. using locations with XPath [from shadi]
15:49:42 <shadi> zakim, take up item 4
15:49:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "using locations with XPath" taken up [from shadi]
15:51:04 <ChrisR> JK: description of namespace difficulties
15:58:19 <ChrisR> SAZ: we need more discussion - bring up on next call
15:58:48 <ChrisR> zakim, close item 4
15:58:48 <Zakim> agendum 4, using locations with XPath, closed
15:58:49 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:58:50 <Zakim> 5. Robust metadata revisited [from shadi]
16:00:42 <Zakim> -Jim_Ley
16:00:45 <Zakim> -johannes
16:00:47 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:00:53 <Zakim> -chris
16:00:54 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:00:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, carlos, chris, Jim_Ley
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16:01:14 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes world
16:01:14 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:01:27 <JibberJim> why doesn't Zakim know about Johannes?
16:01:27 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:01:48 <shadi> jim, jhannes and carlos were sharing a phone
16:02:00 <shadi> johannes in not in stealth mode :)
16:02:13 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/23-er-minutes.html shadi
16:02:55 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:03:04 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:03:04 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/23-er-actions.rdf :
16:03:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JK will research issue of request/response and delivery unit and send to list. [1]
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