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14:23:24 <ericP> meeting: Data Access Working Group
14:23:34 <ericP> Scribe: KendallC
14:23:40 <ericP> Chair: DanC
14:23:57 <ericP> andy, want to start up early and chat a bit?
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14:26:22 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617.2
14:26:22 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:26:23 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:26:24 <Zakim> +EricP
14:28:17 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
14:28:17 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:28:29 <DanC> agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
14:28:32 <Zakim> +??P3
14:28:38 <DanC> agenda + QL Conformance
14:28:46 <DanC> agenda + issues#punctuationSyntax (decimal/double)
14:28:48 <Zakim> -??P3
14:28:53 <DanC> agenda + toward SPARQL QL updated WD
14:29:01 <DanC> agenda + issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol
14:29:08 <DanC> agenda + Security Considerations
14:29:16 <DanC> agenda + issues#rdfSemantics
14:29:25 <DanC> agenda + comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables
14:29:32 <DanC> agenda + Toward CR
14:29:40 <Zakim> +Elias_Torres
14:29:40 <DanC> agenda + protocol testing update
14:29:48 <DanC> agenda + test suite maintenance
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14:30:05 <Zakim> +Andy_Seaborne
14:30:42 <DanC> Regrets+ Souripriya Das
14:30:55 <Zakim> +DanC
14:31:35 <DanC> the 4 level headings are a pain, IMO. how about promoting some stuff so there are only 4 levels, ericp?
14:32:02 <AndyS> Partial regrets: AndyS here until 15:00Z only
14:32:12 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
14:32:23 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andy_Seaborne (66%), EricP (42%)
14:32:35 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
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14:33:11 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
14:33:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda" taken up [from DanC]
14:33:42 <DanC> agenda + plain literals and xsd:strings
14:33:48 <Zakim> +PatH
14:33:52 <JanneS> I'm trying to call in - problems with skype (again). I'll be muted most of the time due to baby-sitting I have to do in parallel.
14:33:55 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005OctDec/0229.html minutes 15 Nov
14:34:12 <DanC> ammendment: Souripriya Das was there
14:34:21 <Zakim> -EricP
14:34:33 <ericP> hey!
14:34:38 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-617.2
14:34:38 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:34:40 <Zakim> +EricP
14:34:48 <ericP> i was using that phone...
14:36:01 <DanC> RESOLVED to approve minutes 15 Nov, noting older actions might be missing
14:36:21 <DanC> regrets: Jeen Broekstra, Steve Harris, Lee Feigenbaum, Libby Miller, Enrico Franconi
14:36:30 <kendallclark> FWIW, I would have sent regrets if not for scribing. :>
14:36:30 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:36:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, Elias_Torres, Andy_Seaborne, DanC, Kendall_Clark, PatH
14:36:42 <kendallclark> not feeling well
14:37:41 <DanC> "29 Nov conflicts with a W3C staff meeting where DanC and EricP are expected; cancel?"
14:38:02 <DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel 29 Nov.
14:38:14 <DanC> 6 Dec conflicts with a TAG meeting; EricP to chair? scribe volunteer?
14:38:16 <kendallclark> 6 Dec conflicts with TAG meeting
14:38:21 <kendallclark> EricP chairing
14:38:52 <kendallclark> EliasT to scribe (with KC backing)
14:38:57 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet next 6 Dec; ericp to chair; regrets DanC; Elias to scribe (or find scribe)
14:39:18 <DanC> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
14:39:24 <DanC> (hmm... should archive a text copy)
14:39:28 <DanC> Zakim, next item
14:39:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "QL Conformance" taken up [from DanC]
14:39:46 <DanC> . http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#conformance
14:40:01 <DanC> . http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#conformanceB with "successful"
14:40:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:40:24 <JanneS> Zakim, IPcaller is JanneS
14:40:24 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:42:52 <kendallclark> I'm happy leaving that to various language communities, say.
14:43:17 <kendallclark> EricP prefers to mention APIs (in the protocol spec, presumably)
14:43:46 <kendallclark> Not mentioning API conformance doesn't help anyone, according to EricP
14:43:48 <Zakim> +Jos_De_Roo
14:44:14 <DanC> perhaps: Note that the SPARQL protocol describes an abstract interface as well as a network protocol, and the abstract interface may apply to APIs as well as network interfaces.
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14:50:53 <AndyS> Conformance for SPARQL/Q = all of the doc ?  DanC's text just moves that to via the protocol.  Eric's use of "successful" really applies to a query *request* because it says "processed"
14:52:44 <kendallclark> can we move past what Eric wrote?
14:58:00 <DanC> replay:
14:58:01 <DanC> perhaps: Note that the SPARQL protocol describes an abstract interface as well as a network protocol, and the abstract interface may apply to APIs as well as network interfaces.
14:59:34 <kendallclark> (Late arriving regrets from YoshioF)
15:02:20 <DanC> ... apply to APIs or software modules ...
15:02:26 <Zakim> -Andy_Seaborne
15:02:34 <DanC> hasta, AndyS
15:02:59 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:02:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "issues#punctuationSyntax (decimal/double)" taken up [from DanC]
15:04:33 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to ask DaveB about turtle (in progress; almost done) [CONTINUES].
15:05:09 <DanC> ACTION: AndyS to update rq23 to reflect double => decimal progress/done. test impact? [continues]
15:05:27 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:05:37 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:05:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "toward SPARQL QL updated WD" taken up [from DanC]
15:07:53 <kendallclark> Going to webmaster today or tomorrow
15:08:58 <DanC> ACTION EricP: solicit review of SPARQL mime type(s) in ietf-types, esp after next QL pub
15:09:06 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype
15:09:28 <ericP> [[
15:09:29 <ericP> When doing the W3C Last Call announcement: Send an email to the mailing list ietf-types@iana.org asking for comments on the Media Type section of your specification:
15:09:32 <ericP> ]]
15:09:55 <DanC> ugh... should say "at or before"
15:10:08 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:10:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "issues#wsdlAbstractProtocol" taken up [from DanC]
15:10:34 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Nov/0041 Double binding of a WSDL 2.0 operation
15:11:20 <DanC> [[
15:11:32 <DanC> The suggested work-round is to provide two separate HTTP bindings,
15:11:32 <DanC> and therefore two separate endpoints, one for each HTTP method.]
15:11:32 <DanC> ]]
15:15:38 <DanC> (don't expect The Director to do technical review, btw; The Director's job is to assess consensus once the community has done technical review.)
15:16:18 <DanC> DONE: ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments.
15:16:36 <DanC> ACTION: KendallC to propose revised WSDL descripton of SPARQL protocol [CONTINUES]
15:16:51 <DanC> ACTION KC: review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints [CONTINUES]
15:17:10 <DanC> ACTION: KendallC to remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec
15:17:15 <DanC> -- continues
15:18:06 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:18:06 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Security Considerations" taken up [from DanC]
15:18:22 <DanC> ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself [continues]
15:19:28 <DanC> ACTION EricP: coordinate W3C staff input on privacy section
15:20:29 <DanC> ACTION: PatH to review The Semantics of SPARQL [done]
15:20:39 <DanC> ACTION: PatH to sketch tests that characterize impact of semantics work
15:21:54 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#rdfSemantics
15:22:02 <kendallclark> Which is super helpful of him, ;>
15:22:18 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Sep/0036 pfps's comment, including test case sketch
15:22:56 <DanC> PatH will tell us how that test works
15:23:40 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:23:40 <Zakim> agendum 8. "comment: SPARQL Results Format and Unbound Variables" taken up [from DanC]
15:24:15 <kendallclark> there's no normal xml!
15:26:12 <Zakim> -Elias_Torres
15:32:05 <kendallclark> i think it's in 3 weeks, dan :>
15:32:40 <DanC> ADJOURN.
15:32:40 <kendallclark> ADJOURNED
15:32:48 <Zakim> -Jos_De_Roo
15:32:55 <DanC> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/22-dawg-minutes.html DanC
15:33:06 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:33:33 <Zakim> -PatH
15:33:37 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
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15:38:00 <LeeF> Good day, gentlemen.
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15:38:14 <patH> Bye, all.
15:44:55 <AndyS> Re: Decimal/Double - what was concluded about the tests? Were they approved? Can I change them?
15:57:23 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/XQueryTour/
15:58:30 <ericP> Each item in the atomic sequence that is of type xdt:untypedAtomic is cast to the expected atomic type. For built-in functions where the expected type is specified as numeric, arguments of type xdt:untypedAtomic are cast to xs:double.
15:59:41 <ericP> [[ Arithmetic Expressions
15:59:42 <ericP> #
15:59:42 <ericP> If the atomized operand is of type xdt:untypedAtomic, it is cast to xs:double. If the cast fails, a dynamic error is raised. [err:FORG0001]
15:59:45 <ericP> ]]
16:00:28 <ericP> [[ 3.5.1 Value Comparisons
16:00:41 <ericP> 4. If the atomized operand is of type xdt:untypedAtomic, it is cast to xs:string.
16:00:42 <ericP> ]]
16:01:52 <ericP> [[ 3.5.2 General Comparisons
16:02:39 <ericP> ... lots...
16:02:40 <ericP> ]]
16:09:18 <AndyS> Re: RIF and CONSTRUCt * opt 3:
16:09:43 <AndyS> I don't see RIF doing a dataset serialization format so I didn't understand the argument.
16:10:19 <AndyS> Opt 3 actaully requires quite a lot of tinkering with CONSTRUCT templates - yuk.
16:11:35 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/XQueryTour/
16:13:39 <AndyS> xdt:untypedAtomic != xsd:string  RDf core decided plain literals were strings and added the D-entailment.
16:16:28 <ericP> oof, interesting point
16:22:52 <AndyS> Re; CONSTRUCT
16:23:16 <AndyS> YOu say "if we include a graph ..." - don't grok - we already include a graph.
16:23:58 <ericP> 2005-10-11T15:48:08Z <DanC> POLL: on return from datatype("abc"): (a) type error (b) either type error or xsd:string (c) sparql:pla\
16:24:01 <ericP> in (d) "" (e) always xsd:string
16:26:36 <DanC>  <li>clarified that "abc" is not in the domain of datatype("abc")</li>
16:26:45 <DanC>  <li>clarified that "abc" is not in the domain of datatype()</li>
16:27:56 <DanC> revised Query Term Syntax details regarding redefined namespace prefixes (@@change or clarification? relevant tests?)
16:32:20 <ericP> A prefix binding applies to any QNames in the query with that prefix; a prefix may be defined only once.
16:34:29 <DanC>   <p class="issue">@@note constraint on prefix redeclaration</p>
16:34:47 <ericP> QTSynIRI
16:35:29 <ericP> <a href="#QTSynIRI">prefix redeclaration</a>
16:36:02 <DanC>   <p class="issue">@@note constraint on prefix redeclaration from <a href="#QTSynIRI">Syntax of IRI Terms</a></p>
16:41:34 <Zakim> -DanC
16:41:37 <Zakim> -EricP
16:41:38 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
16:41:40 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, Elias_Torres, Andy_Seaborne, DanC, Kendall_Clark, PatH, JanneS, Jos_De_Roo
16:43:16 <DanC> oh, eric, you copied my poor-man's hypertext rather literally:
16:43:18 <DanC> See appendix A grammar regarding conformance of _SPARQL Query strings_
16:43:33 <DanC> feel free to make those into real hyperlinks before publication
16:53:14 <ericP> DanC, roger
16:53:37 <ericP> i got one link op, i think, but was distracted when composing
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