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10:54:01 <shadi> zakim, this will be team1
10:54:02 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see Team_(er)11:00Z scheduled to start in 6 minutes
10:54:11 <shadi> meeting: ET TF
10:54:19 <shadi> chair: Shadi
10:54:58 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tools/2005Nov/0001.html
10:55:11 <shadi> agenda+ Introduce ET TF Work Statement
10:55:19 <shadi> agenda+ Introduce development process
10:55:28 <shadi> agenda+ Divide work and assign responsibles
10:55:35 <shadi> agenda+ Find date for next meeting
10:56:27 <Zakim> Team_(er)11:00Z has now started
10:56:34 <Zakim> +??P0
11:02:06 <ChrisR> ChrisR has joined #er
11:02:11 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
11:02:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
11:02:51 <shadi> zakim, ??p0 is really Steve
11:02:51 <Zakim> +Steve; got it
11:03:04 <ChrisR> What is the conference code on Zakim for the call?
11:03:31 <Andrew> Andrew has joined #er
11:03:52 <Andrew> hello all - just arrived home - will dial in real soon
11:04:00 <shadi> zakim, code?
11:04:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 83261 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), shadi
11:04:08 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tools/2005Nov/0001.html
11:04:34 <Zakim> +??P3
11:04:40 <Zakim> +Sandor_Herramhof
11:04:46 <shadi> zakim, ??p3 is really Chris
11:04:46 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
11:05:43 <Sandor> Sandor has joined #er
11:05:53 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
11:05:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi, Chris, Sandor_Herramhof
11:06:13 <Zakim> +??P4
11:06:20 <Andrew> zakim, ??p4 in Andrew
11:06:20 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p4 in Andrew', Andrew
11:06:40 <Andrew>  zakim, ??p4 is Andrew
11:06:40 <Zakim> +Andrew; got it
11:06:58 <shadi> zakim, pick a victim
11:06:59 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Andrew
11:07:25 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
11:07:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Introduce ET TF Work Statement" taken up [from shadi]
11:08:21 <Andrew> Shadi: refer   <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2005/tools-tf> and <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2005Nov/0010>
11:09:01 <Andrew> Shadi: interface is not our task - that is the role of EOWG
11:09:26 <Andrew> Sahdi: our role is to port the information from the static pages to the database
11:09:44 <Andrew> Shadi: phase 1 - is to port the information
11:10:10 <Andrew> Shadi: pahe 2 (optional) is to expand the list with additional tools that might be missing
11:10:29 <Andrew> s/pahe/phase
11:10:57 <Andrew> Shadi: we are looking at a 1 month spurt of activity - finish by Christmas
11:11:23 <Andrew> Zakim, who is on the call?
11:11:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi, Chris, Sandor_Herramhof, Andrew
11:12:28 <Andrew> Present: Steve Faulkner, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi Abou-Zahra, Chris, Sandor_Herramhof, Andrew Arch
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11:13:32 <Andrew> Steve: what if we haven't finished?
11:14:02 <Andrew> Shadi: we will try and finish by then, but the list will remain open for ongoing work as required
11:14:41 <Andrew> Sandor: what if tool developers do not respond?
11:15:13 <Andrew> Shadi: I'm hoping they will respond - if not we will have to judge on a case-by-case basis
11:15:16 <shadi> s/Sandor/Carlos
11:15:37 <Andrew> Present + Yeyha
11:15:53 <Andrew> Present + Carlos Velsco
11:16:12 <Yehya> Yes, but unfortunatly my phone does not work!
11:16:20 <Andrew> Present - Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
11:18:51 <Andrew> Steve: why can't we publish the public info (from the current list or from their site) even if they don't say "yes"
11:19:07 <Andrew> Shadi: we may misrepresent them
11:19:59 <Andrew> Shadi: mostly it is straight forward
11:21:04 <Andrew> Discussion: we don't relay need them permission, but give them an opportunity to respond. If no response, then publish or not depending on each case
11:22:07 <Andrew> Shadi: I don't want to hold anything up because a developer does not respond - as long as we don't "make it up" then it should be ok
11:23:04 <Andrew> Sandor: who should we approach the companies? If they get a random email from Sandor Herramhof, then it likely to be ignored
11:23:13 <Andrew> s/who/how
11:23:48 <Andrew> Shadi: lets see what we have as an email - should be ok with a good email and a good subject
11:25:02 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
11:25:02 <Zakim> agendum 1, Introduce ET TF Work Statement, closed
11:25:03 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
11:25:04 <Zakim> 2. Introduce development process [from shadi]
11:25:06 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
11:25:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introduce development process" taken up [from shadi]
11:25:28 <Andrew> Shadi: see <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/entry.php>
11:26:57 <Andrew> Shadi: normally your regular W3C UserName & Password will give you access
11:27:40 <Andrew> Shadi: it is  a form that will generate an email to send to the tool developer, or an RDF entry that can be plugged into the database
11:28:16 <Andrew> Shadi: uploads the form to a new location ...
11:28:25 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/entry-temp.php
11:28:39 <Andrew> Shadi: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/entry-temp.php
11:29:29 <Andrew> Yeyha, can you see the form?
11:30:28 <Andrew> hadi: two parts - vendor & tool details AND tool features
11:30:37 <Andrew> s/hadi/shadi
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11:31:28 <Yehya> yes, I can
11:31:43 <Andrew> Shadi: if anything is missing from the checkbox choices, then add to Other and it will be added
11:32:13 <Andrew> Shadi: if any categories are missing, then send me a note (and CC the list) and I'll see what I can do
11:32:15 <Yehya> It looks very detailed, I will check it further
11:33:06 <Andrew> Carlos: should each version be a separate entry?
11:33:38 <Andrew> Shadi: it depends - often thye are two quite different version, eg a desktop version and an online version
11:33:57 <Andrew> Stave: where do we put the fact that it is an online version?
11:34:14 <Andrew> Shadi: under "user interface" - needs to be addedd
11:34:26 <shadi> action: add online services as types of tools (possible in UI)
11:36:55 <Andrew> Carlos: what about CMS tools under Authoring Tool Compatibility
11:39:19 <Andrew> Action: Change the term "compatibility" to "integration"
11:39:22 <shadi> action: feedback for EOWG, change "compatibility" to "integration"
11:39:58 <shadi> zakim, drop action 3
11:39:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drop action 3', shadi
11:40:02 <Andrew> Steve: we also need "tool version"
11:40:11 <shadi> action: add tool version
11:40:22 <shadi> rrsagent, drop action 3
11:40:53 <shadi> action: add HTML to export formats
11:41:25 <shadi> action: add CSV to export formats
11:43:01 <Andrew> Carlos: what about indicating the target audience? Developers vs Managers, etc
11:43:25 <Andrew> Shadi: this is scope creep - lets refer this back to EOWG
11:46:47 <shadi> action: feedback for EOWG, consider target audience and target customers
11:47:20 <Andrew> Shadi: other information can always go into the "description" field
11:48:17 <Andrew> Shadi: at the end of the form, you can generate an email (to copy and paste) and send to the vendor/developer OR generate an entry
11:49:00 <Andrew> Steve: headers are required to make the data understandable
11:49:14 <Andrew> Shadi: I'm working on that
11:51:58 <Andrew> Carlos: the third sentence needs to mention the data source
11:52:12 <Andrew> Andrew: what about the "subject" for the email?
11:53:08 <Andrew> Steve: need to select a subject that will get filtered as SPAM
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11:54:19 <Andrew> Andrew: what about just "w3c accessibility tool list updates"?
11:54:25 <shadi> proposed topic: W3C List of Evaluation Tools
11:54:54 <Andrew> Shadi: proposed subject "W3C List of Evaluation Tools"
11:55:25 <Andrew> Steve: the current wording implies that a non-response will lead to no list
11:56:22 <shadi> suggested text: "Please review this information, complete any missing fields or provide changes"
11:57:15 <Andrew> Shadi: suggested text: "Please review this information, complete any missing fields or provide changes"
11:57:35 <Andrew> Steve: what about offering an option to not be listed?
11:59:06 <Andrew> Andrew: we shouild tell them we will publish this information unless we recceive corrections or ammendments
11:59:19 <Andrew> s/shouild/should
12:00:48 <shadi> This information will be published unless we receive correction or ammendments. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact
12:00:48 <shadi>   <shadi@w3.org>
12:00:48 <shadi>   <ET TF MEMBER>
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12:02:16 <Andrew> Action: shadi to amend form accounting from the previous discussion points
12:02:32 <Andrew> s/from/for
12:03:34 <Andrew> Shadi: WRT generating an entry - just copy and paste into an email and send to Shadi PLUS list
12:04:31 <Andrew> Shadi: When info is received back from vendor/developer, then re-enter and send entry to Shadi & list
12:04:49 <Andrew> Carlos: but means we have to enter twice?
12:05:11 <Andrew> Shadi: means it will be correct from the vendor/developer
12:05:39 <Andrew> Shadi: and just a short term use - so can we live with this?
12:06:55 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
12:06:55 <Zakim> agendum 2, Introduce development process, closed
12:06:56 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:06:57 <Zakim> 3. Divide work and assign responsibles [from shadi]
12:07:02 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
12:07:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Divide work and assign responsibles" taken up [from shadi]
12:07:12 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2005/tools
12:07:34 <Andrew> Shadi: see - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2005/tools>
12:12:43 <Andrew> Andrew: Shadi should just assign, say, 5 each to those of us already participating - leaves some for others who are not on the call, or still have to be approved
12:13:19 <Andrew> Action: Shadi to assign 5 tools to each participant - starting from the top
12:14:14 <Andrew> Sandor: offering to take extra, say 10
12:14:39 <Andrew> Steve: we can all ask for extras when we finish the ones assigned
12:15:50 <Andrew> Yehya, are you happy to get assigned 5 tools?
12:15:53 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
12:15:53 <Zakim> agendum 3, Divide work and assign responsibles, closed
12:15:54 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
12:15:55 <Zakim> 4. Find date for next meeting [from shadi]
12:15:56 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
12:15:56 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Find date for next meeting" taken up [from shadi]
12:17:40 <Andrew> Shadi: Thursday 24th at the same time
12:17:57 <Yehya> 5 are ok., when finished I could ask for other
12:18:09 <shadi> yes, please! :)
12:18:44 <Zakim> -Chris
12:18:46 <shadi> scribe: andrew
12:18:48 <ChrisR> ChrisR has left #er
12:18:50 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
12:18:52 <Zakim> -Sandor_Herramhof
12:18:54 <Andrew> Shadi: and then, tentatively, Wednesday 30th November
12:19:10 <Zakim> -Steve
12:19:27 <Zakim> -Shadi
12:19:28 <Zakim> Team_(er)11:00Z has ended
12:19:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Shadi, Steve, Sandor_Herramhof, Chris, Andrew
12:19:34 <shadi> regrets: Johannes
12:19:48 <shadi> scibenick: andrew
12:19:55 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
12:20:04 <Andrew> scribenick: Andrew
12:20:05 <shadi> zakim, bye
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12:20:12 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
12:20:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-minutes.html shadi
12:21:01 <Andrew> shadi - have you heard from Shawn lately?
12:21:26 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-actions.rdf :
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add online services as types of tools (possible in UI) [1]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-34-26
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Change the term "compatibility" to "integration" [2]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-39-19
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add tool version [4]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-40-11
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add HTML to export formats [5]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-40-53
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add CSV to export formats [6]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-41-25
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: feedback for EOWG, consider target audience and target customers [7]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T11-46-47
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to amend form accounting from the previous discussion points [8]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T12-02-16
12:21:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi to assign 5 tools to each participant - starting from the top [9]
12:21:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/14-er-irc#T12-13-19
12:21:35 <shadi> about what?
12:21:48 <Andrew> she wanted to talk to me last week about the Melb meeting, but I never heard from her (not this week yet), though I sent her times I wouold be around
12:22:26 <shadi> hmmm, she is usually quite good at responding