00:00:48 Topic: GL 2.2 L1 SC1 00:05:29 ack G 00:07:41 In response to becky's question about whether HTTP Refresh techniques are needed, I'd suggest that we generalize these to say something like "using server-side techniques to automatically redirect pages after a timeout." (not sure, but I think ASP can be used create this same issue) 00:09:32 Resolution: adopt Ben's comment to generalize HTTP refresh techniques to say something like, "using server-side techniques to automatically redirect pages after a timeout." 00:14:55 -Michael_Cooper 00:15:19 Resolution: add the following editorial note to GL 2.2 L1 SC1: The Working Group is considering adding techniques and/or modifying the success criterion to ensure addtional accessibility features are employed for events where no alternative to a timeout is possible or where timing is essential. 00:16:02 Resolution: Accept GL 2.2 L1 SC1 and its Guide doc with the editorial note resolved upon above. 00:16:40 Topic: Consider Promotion of Guideline 2.2 Level 3 Success Criterion 3 to Level 2 00:20:01 q+ 00:22:51 ack D 00:23:29 ack G 00:24:27 q+ 00:27:36 ack D 00:27:53 zakim, +1.415.440.aabb is Alex_Li 00:27:53 +Alex_Li; got it 00:28:03 -Bengt_Farre 00:28:22 +??P9 00:28:31 zakim, ??P9 is Bengt_Farre 00:28:31 +Bengt_Farre; got it 00:29:20 ack +1 00:29:36 q+ 00:31:28 q- 00:34:07 Action: Gian continue action item to find techniques that do not require specific technologies not commonly in the baseline to implement. 00:38:33 Resolution: accept GL 2.2 L3 SC3 and its Guide Doc 00:40:12 zakim, close this item 00:40:12 agendum 3 closed 00:40:13 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 00:40:14 4. Guideline 1.2 and 2.1 [from ben] 00:40:15 +Alex_Li.a 00:40:23 zakim, take up next item 00:40:23 agendum 4. "Guideline 1.2 and 2.1" taken up [from ben] 00:40:28 -Alex_Li 00:40:42 David has joined #wai-wcag 00:40:49 test 00:41:10 RylaDog has joined #wai-wcag 00:43:13 Topic: Proposal to change Success Criteria for GL 1.2 00:43:26 agenda? 00:43:33 zakim, close this item 00:43:33 agendum 4 closed 00:43:35 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 00:43:36 5. Guideline 1.3 and 2.4 issues. [from ben] 00:43:40 zakim, take up agendum 4 00:43:40 agendum 4. "Guideline 1.2 and 2.1" taken up [from ben] 00:49:05 zakim, mute me 00:49:05 Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted 00:50:21 q+ 00:51:32 ack Gian 00:53:50 ack D 00:55:11 ack l 00:56:14 zakim, unmute me 00:56:14 Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted 01:04:55 Replace current editorial note with new text: "Working group is seeking comment on the following proposal for GL 1.2 (paste proposal from survey)" 01:05:04 Resolution: Replace current editorial note with new text: "Working group is seeking comment on the following proposal for GL 1.2 (paste proposal from survey)" 01:10:07 Resolution: Accept Guide doc for GL 1.2 L1 SC1. 01:10:28 Resolution: Accept Guide doc for GL 1.2 L1 SC2 01:11:24 Topic: SC text and Guide Doc for GL 2.1 L1 SC1 01:15:12 RylaDog has joined #wai-wcag 01:18:15 q+ 01:18:47 q- 01:19:47 scribe: David 01:21:12 ack Gian 01:21:59 scribe: Becky 01:22:29 ack K 01:26:39 Resolution: Accept Success criterion and Guide doc for GL 2.1 L1 SC1 with suggested editorial changes. 01:27:11 Topic: definition of programmatically determined 01:29:39 Resolution: accept definition of programmatically determined as, "can be recognized by user agents, including assistive technologies, that support the technologies in the chosen baseline" and remove the editorial note. 01:29:57 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 01:30:00 -Bengt_Farre 01:30:09 -Gian_Sampson-Wild 01:30:10 -John_Slatin 01:30:11 -David_MacDonald 01:30:12 -Sofia_Celic 01:30:12 -Christophe_Strobbe 01:30:14 -Andi 01:30:15 zakim, close this item 01:30:16 agendum 4 closed 01:30:17 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 01:30:18 5. Guideline 1.3 and 2.4 issues. [from ben] 01:30:21 -Makoto_Ueki 01:31:17 -Becky_Gibson 01:38:58 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 01:39:52 jslatinOFHNetIRC has joined #wai-wcag 01:40:35 +Sofia_Celic 01:41:06 +Christophe_Strobbe 01:41:08 +John_Slatin 01:41:21 agenda? 01:41:29 zakim, close this item 01:41:29 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, ben 01:41:37 zakim, take up agendum 5 01:41:37 agendum 5. "Guideline 1.3 and 2.4 issues." taken up [from ben] 01:41:46 results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-10s3/results 01:42:56 +David_MacDonald 01:43:21 scribe: David 01:43:39 Topic: 2.4 L1 SC1 01:44:26 +??P6 01:44:44 zakim, ??P6 is Andi 01:44:44 +Andi; got it 01:45:07 +[IPcaller] 01:45:08 [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki 01:45:23 zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki 01:45:23 +Makoto_Ueki; got it 01:46:43 -Andi 01:48:12 +??P6 01:48:26 zakim, ??P6 is Andi 01:48:26 +Andi; got it 01:50:37 +??P10 01:50:50 zakim, ??P10 is Bengt_Farre 01:50:50 +Bengt_Farre; got it 01:56:08 -Alex_Li.a 01:57:38 +Alex_Li 01:57:49 Becky has joined #wai-wcag 01:59:15 +Becky_Gibson 01:59:59 zakim, I am Becky_ 01:59:59 ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson 02:00:10 zakim, mute me 02:00:10 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 02:00:49 -Becky_Gibson 02:01:02 zakim, mute me 02:01:02 Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted 02:01:41 +Becky_Gibson 02:01:55 zakim, mute me 02:01:55 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 02:18:30 zakim, unmute me 02:18:30 Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted 02:24:16 RylaDog has joined #wai-wcag 02:27:09 resolution: accept the sc and guide doc as edited "Navigational features within the content can be programmatically determined." and Adopt alternate definition from the F2F . 2.4 L1 SC1 02:30:52 zakim, who's on the phone? 02:30:52 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_and_Gregg, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic, Christophe_Strobbe, John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Makoto_Ueki, Andi, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, 02:30:55 ... Becky_Gibson (muted) 02:37:48 zakim, mute me 02:37:48 Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted 02:42:22 zakim, unmute me 02:42:22 Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted 02:49:33 q+ to say "Semantic structure could be interpreted as applying to text as such." 02:50:10 zakim, unmute me 02:50:10 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 02:50:12 q 02:50:16 q+ 02:50:23 ack Lor 02:50:46 ack Chr 02:50:46 Christophe, you wanted to say "Semantic structure could be interpreted as applying to text as such." 02:51:27 ack Becky 02:52:35 zakim, mute me 02:52:35 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 02:57:52 resolution: unanimous consent the wording of GL L SC1 changed to read "perceivable structures within the content can be programmatically determined." 02:58:13 zakim, who's making noise? 02:58:25 David, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_and_Gregg (100%), Makoto_Ueki (10%) 02:59:17 zakim, unmute me 02:59:17 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 03:03:02 zakim, mute me 03:03:02 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 03:04:27 zakim, unmute me 03:04:27 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 03:04:45 q+ to say "Clarify that HTML techniques apply only to versions before XHTML 2?" 03:06:14 zakim, mute me 03:06:14 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 03:06:37 resolution: accept guide doc as edited, GL 1.3 L1 SC1 03:07:44 ack chr 03:07:44 Christophe, you wanted to say "Clarify that HTML techniques apply only to versions before XHTML 2?" 03:08:17 Topic: 1.3 L3 03:10:36 Q+ 03:11:01 ack B 03:11:11 zakim, unmute me 03:11:11 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 03:13:27 q+ 03:16:22 zakim, unmute me 03:16:22 Becky_Gibson was not muted, Becky 03:16:41 ack Sofia 03:16:43 zakim, mute me 03:16:43 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 03:17:15 zakim, unmute me 03:17:15 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 03:21:00 zakim, mute me 03:21:00 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 03:21:28 resolution: adopt Christophe's edit to 1.3 L3 SC2 "Information required to understand and operate content does not rely solely on shape, size, visual location or orientation of components." 03:23:25 +??P15 03:23:30 -Alex_Li 03:24:22 zakim, +??P15 is Gian_Sampson-Wild 03:24:22 sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '+??P15' 03:24:48 +Alex_Li 03:25:28 zakim, +??P15 is Gian_Sampson-Wild 03:25:28 sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '+??P15' 03:25:56 zakim, ??P15 is Gian_Sampson-Wild 03:25:56 +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it 03:28:08 resolution: adopt 1.3 L3 SC2 guide doc as edited 03:28:10 zakim, close this item 03:28:10 agendum 5 closed 03:28:11 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 03:28:12 6. Guideline 1.3 L3 SC1 (not discussed last week) [from ben] 03:28:28 zakim, take up agendum 6 03:28:28 agendum 6. "Guideline 1.3 L3 SC1 (not discussed last week)" taken up [from ben] 03:28:42 topic: 3.1 L3 SC1 03:30:20 Topic:1.3 L3 SC1 03:30:35 -Alex_Li 03:31:32 zakim, unmute me 03:31:32 Becky_Gibson should no longer be muted 03:32:06 +Alex_Li 03:32:36 resolution: change "determined programatically" to "programatically determined" 03:33:04 resolution: change "determined programatically" to "programatically determined" 1.3 L3 SC1 03:33:23 zakim, mute me 03:33:23 Becky_Gibson should now be muted 03:40:12 resolution: accept Guide doc for 1.3 L3 SC1 as edited 03:40:48 zakim, close this item 03:40:48 agendum 6 closed 03:40:49 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 03:40:50 7. Guideline 3.1 [from ben] 03:40:56 zakim, take up agendum 7 03:40:56 agendum 7. "Guideline 3.1" taken up [from ben] 03:41:01 GL 3.1 L1 SC3 03:44:19 survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/meaning20051014/results#xL3SC2 03:57:42 -Becky_Gibson 03:59:08 +Becky_Gibson 04:03:51 resolution: adopt guide doc as edited GL 3.1 L 3 SC 1 04:04:44 resolution: adopt guide doc as edited GL 3.1 L 3 SC 1 (restricted words-unusual words) 04:05:28 3.1 L3 SC3 04:05:43 Topic: 3.1 L3 SC3 04:10:31 q+ to say "I don't see how this can be done in VoiceXML." 04:12:22 ack chr 04:12:22 Christophe, you wanted to say "I don't see how this can be done in VoiceXML." 04:22:37 Resolution: accept edits for GL 3.1 L3 SC3 (acronym expansions) 04:23:57 Resolution: accept guide doc edits for GL 3.1 L3 SC3 04:26:49 q+ 04:31:36 +Michael_Cooper 04:40:28 resolution: adopt edited guide doc for 4.2 L1 SC2 04:45:38 zakim, mute me 04:45:38 Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted 04:46:43 resolution: * The content and properties of user interface elements that can be changed via the user interface can also be directly changed programmatically. 04:46:44 04:46:44 NOTE: Some examples of standardized properties that typically can be changed by the user interface include its value, whether it is currently selected, and whether it currently has the focus. 04:49:47 resolution: adopt the wording for SC 4.2 L1 SC 5 "The content and properties of user interface elements that can be changed via the user interface can also be directly changed programmatically. " with the ednote:NOTE: Some examples of standardized properties that typically can be changed by the user interface include its value, whether it is currently selected, and whether it currently has the focus. 04:50:48 s/NOTE: Some examples of standardized properties that typically can be changed by the user interface include its value, whether it is currently selected, and whether it currently has the focus./ 04:53:39 agenda? 04:53:45 zakim, close this item 04:53:45 agendum 7 closed 04:53:46 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 04:53:47 8. Guideline 4.2 [from ben] 04:53:52 zakim, close agendum 8 04:53:53 agendum 8, Guideline 4.2, closed 04:53:53 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 04:53:56 Resolution: adopt edited guide doc for Accept 4.2 L1 SC6? 04:54:34 agenda+ Baseline 04:54:40 zakim, take up agendum 9 04:54:40 agendum 9. "Baseline" taken up [from ben] 04:55:06 GV's post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0469.html 04:56:36 topic: baseline doc, change conformance section to say Baselines are a set of technologies but the claim would state its baseline, say what else it used beyond the baseline, but what it relied on wa optiional, 04:58:37 resolution: adopt the proposed rewording to conformance section to relect that baseline is what is requied and relied is optional 05:01:00 resolution: ednote: the working group s developing language to distinguish between web content and downloaded files which is not content... 05:01:31 q+ 05:01:58 resolution: The Working Group is developing language to differentiate between Web content on the one hand and downloaded files and other non-Web content on the other. 05:03:16 resolution: The Working Group is developing language to differentiate between Web content on the one hand and downloaded software and other non-Web content on the other. 05:03:20 q- 05:03:36 q+ 05:03:43 q- 05:04:52 -Makoto_Ueki 05:09:39 Motion: to authorize the editors to make any additional cleanup needed to prepare the document with notification to the working group of any non-editorial changes 05:10:06 resolution: unanimous. to authorize the editors to make any additional cleanup needed to prepare the document with notification to the working group of any non-editorial changes 05:12:00 -Gian_Sampson-Wild 05:12:21 -Sofia_Celic 05:12:23 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 05:12:23 -David_MacDonald 05:12:24 -John_Slatin 05:12:24 -Becky_Gibson 05:12:25 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 05:12:26 -Ben_and_Gregg 05:12:27 -Alex_Li 05:12:28 -Christophe_Strobbe 05:12:30 -Andi 05:12:32 -Bengt_Farre 05:12:51 RRSAgent, please generate minutes 05:12:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/11-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben 05:13:02 -Michael_Cooper 05:13:02 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended 05:13:02 Attendees were David_MacDonald, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, Wendy, Christophe_Strobbe, Yvette_Hoitink, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Sofia_Celic, 05:13:02 ... 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