IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-11-03

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20:09:32 [ben]
zakim, list conferences
20:09:32 [Zakim]
I see XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM active
20:09:34 [Zakim]
also scheduled at this time is WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
20:09:45 [ben]
zakim, this will be WAI-WCAG
20:09:45 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, ben
20:09:56 [ben]
zakim, this will be WCAG
20:09:56 [Zakim]
ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 51 minutes
20:10:53 [ben]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0164.html
20:11:16 [ben]
Topic: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:11:50 [ben]
agenda+ Guideline 1.2 and 3.1 Proposed Level Changes <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg/>
20:11:57 [Makoto]
I see. I'll be able to be in my bed 1 hour more for next months :-)
20:12:12 [ben]
agenda+ Guidelines 1.3, 2.1, 2.4 and 3.1 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg2/>
20:12:28 [ben]
agenda+ Guideline 4.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051103-4_2/>
20:12:39 [ben]
agenda+ Check-in on action items and assignments.
20:14:00 [ben]
Regrets: Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Takayuki_Watanabe, Luca_Mascaro, Roberto_Castaldo, Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:14:04 [ben]
RRSAgent, off
21:01:07 [Zakim]
+Alex_Li
21:01:12 [Yvette]
zakim, [IBM] is Andy_Snow_Weaver
21:01:12 [Zakim]
+Andy_Snow_Weaver; got it
21:01:17 [ben]
RRSAgent, make log world
21:01:27 [ben]
RRSAgent, please generate minutes
21:01:27 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
21:01:39 [Zakim]
+??P12
21:01:39 [rellero]
zakim, ??P12 is rellero
21:01:39 [Zakim]
+rellero; got it
21:01:41 [Zakim]
+Christophe_Strobbe
21:01:44 [Yvette]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:01:47 [bengt]
zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
21:01:47 [Zakim]
ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
21:01:51 [bengt]
zakim, mute me
21:01:51 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre should now be muted
21:01:54 [Zakim]
Yvette, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gez_Lemon (10%), Becky_Gibson (15%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (70%), John_Slatin (44%), rellero (9%)
21:01:59 [rellero]
zakim, mute me
21:01:59 [Zakim]
rellero should now be muted
21:02:15 [Yvette]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:02:15 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Gez_Lemon, Becky_Gibson, Yvette_Hoitink, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andy_Snow_Weaver, Bengt_Farre (muted), Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, John_Slatin, Alex_Li, rellero
21:02:19 [Zakim]
... (muted), Christophe_Strobbe
21:02:28 [ben]
Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
21:03:03 [Andi]
scribe: Andi
21:03:09 [Yvette]
zakim, Andy_Snow_Weaver is Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:03:09 [Zakim]
+Andi_Snow_Weaver; got it
21:03:20 [ben]
chair: John_Slatin
21:03:26 [Zakim]
+Sofia_Celic
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+??P15
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21:04:43 [Zakim]
+[ATTcaller]
21:04:49 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:04:49 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:05:09 [Andi]
not publishing November 10th as planned
21:05:26 [Andi]
must publish by November 17th to stay
21:06:37 [Andi]
must move forward - have to let things go that we "can live with"
21:07:04 [Zakim]
+David_MacDonald
21:08:50 [ben]
zakim, [ATTcaller] is Tim_Boland
21:08:50 [Zakim]
+Tim_Boland; got it
21:09:01 [ben]
zakim, ??P15 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:09:01 [Zakim]
+Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
21:09:04 [David]
David has joined #wai-wcag
21:09:10 [ben]
zakim, ping me in 20 minutes
21:09:10 [Zakim]
ok, ben
21:10:30 [Andi]
Proposal to move GL 3.1 L3 SC 5 to L2
21:10:32 [Yvette]
q+
21:10:38 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
21:10:38 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:10:47 [Andi]
Gez thinks this is not hard to do and is in favor of moving to Level 2
21:10:47 [ben]
q?
21:10:52 [ben]
ack Gez
21:10:54 [ben]
ack Yv
21:11:38 [Andi]
Yvette thinks this is difficult to do
21:11:42 [Becky]
q
21:12:16 [Andi]
resolution: Leave GL 3.1 Level 3 SC 5 at Level 3
21:12:51 [Zakim]
+??P1
21:13:07 [ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
21:13:08 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Guideline 1.2 and 3.1 Proposed Level Changes <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg/>" taken up [from ben]
21:13:35 [Zakim]
+Michael_Cooper
21:14:26 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:14:26 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:15:07 [Andi]
Discussing moving GL 1.2 L1 SC 1 (captions) to level 2
21:15:55 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:16:48 [rellero_]
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-rellero
21:17:30 [Zakim]
+??P16
21:17:33 [Michael]
q+
21:17:44 [rellero_]
zakim, ??P16 is rellero
21:17:44 [Zakim]
+rellero; got it
21:17:52 [rellero_]
zakim, mute me
21:17:52 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
21:18:07 [ben]
zakim, ??P1 is Katie_Haritos_Shea
21:18:07 [Zakim]
+Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
21:18:17 [rellero_]
zakim, mute me
21:18:17 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
21:18:22 [ben]
zakim, ??P16 is Roberto_Ellero
21:18:23 [Zakim]
I already had ??P16 as rellero, ben
21:18:24 [Andi]
Yvette - very hard to do, people either stop using Multimedia which can be helpful for people with cognitive disabilties or stop doing WCAG because think it's too hard.
21:18:42 [ben]
q?
21:18:45 [ben]
ack Lor
21:19:18 [Yvette]
q+
21:19:31 [Michael]
ack m
21:19:49 [Michael]
zakim, unmute me
21:19:49 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
21:19:53 [Michael]
q+
21:20:01 [Andi]
John - Multimedia is not accessible without captions, concern if we don't require captions because the volume of multimedia is increasing on the Web.
21:20:17 [Yvette]
ack y
21:20:21 [Yvette]
ack m
21:20:23 [Andi]
Yvette - would like to have "baby step" requirement at Level 1 that makes it minimally accessible
21:21:00 [Michael]
ack y
21:21:11 [ben]
ack Lor
21:21:50 [Andi]
Loretta - captioned multimedia should always be sufficient at level 1 so don't want us to put something at Level 1 that would make captions not sufficient.
21:22:15 [Andi]
Michael - WCAG should define what it means to be accessible even if it's not "practical reality"
21:23:14 [ben]
ack Lor
21:25:56 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:25:57 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:26:23 [Andi]
Objections to leaving this at Level 1 and objections to moving this to Level 2
21:27:51 [Andi]
Call for review should flag this issue, should include stakeholders from deaf community and captioning tool developers
21:28:22 [Andi]
resolution: moving forward with dissent on GL 1.2 Level 1 SC 1 (captions)
21:28:42 [Andi]
discussing GL 1.2 Level 1 SC 2 (audio descriptions)
21:29:00 [Andi]
more support for moving to Level 2 but not consensus
21:29:11 [Zakim]
ben, you asked to be pinged at this time
21:29:34 [Michael]
q+
21:30:21 [Andi]
John - support leaving at Level 1 - multimedia increasingly important on the Web - seems wrong to lower requirement (WCAG 1.0 and Section 508 both require it)
21:30:38 [Michael]
zakim, unmute me
21:30:38 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
21:30:49 [Michael]
ack m
21:31:12 [Yvette]
q+
21:31:20 [Andi]
Michael proposes transcript at level 1, audio descriptions at Level 2
21:31:35 [Yvette]
q-
21:31:35 [Yvette]
q+
21:31:41 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
21:31:41 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
21:32:00 [Makoto]
q+
21:32:00 [ben]
q+
21:32:18 [ben]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:32:20 [Zakim]
+Matt_May
21:32:25 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
21:32:25 [Zakim]
Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
21:32:25 [Andi]
Loretta - same as comment for captions - audio descriptions should be sufficient at level 1
21:32:29 [Zakim]
ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gez_Lemon (45%), Yvette_Hoitink (46%), Makoto_Ueki (95%), Ben_Caldwell (9%), John_Slatin (7%), rellero (28%),
21:32:32 [Zakim]
... David_MacDonald (40%)
21:32:35 [rellero_]
zakim, mute rellero_
21:32:35 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
21:32:47 [ben]
zakim, mute Makoto
21:32:47 [Zakim]
Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
21:32:50 [rellero_]
zakim, mute rellero
21:32:50 [Zakim]
rellero should now be muted
21:33:24 [ben]
zakim, who's muted?
21:33:24 [Zakim]
I see Bengt_Farre, Makoto_Ueki, Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, rellero muted
21:33:37 [bengt]
zakim, who's making noise ?
21:33:41 [ben]
zakim, mute Gez
21:33:41 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
21:33:47 [Zakim]
bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gez_Lemon (43%), Yvette_Hoitink (22%), Ben_Caldwell (23%), John_Slatin (43%), Tim_Boland (37%), David_MacDonald
21:33:51 [Zakim]
... (28%)
21:34:20 [ben]
q?
21:34:51 [ben]
ack Lor
21:35:41 [Yvette]
q-
21:35:49 [Makoto]
zakim, unmute me
21:35:49 [Zakim]
Makoto_Ueki should no longer be muted
21:35:58 [ben]
ack Makoto
21:38:49 [ben]
ack Lor
21:38:56 [ben]
ack ben
21:41:39 [Michael]
zakim, unmute me
21:41:39 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
21:42:35 [Andi]
Loretta proposes at Level 1 - text description or audio description is available
21:42:46 [Andi]
Level 2 - audio description is availalbe
21:43:00 [Andi]
s/available/availalbe/
21:43:33 [Andi]
Ben proposes - Meeting GL 1.1 Level 3 SC for a combined transcript is a technique for meeting GL 1.2 L1 SC 2
21:44:28 [Andi]
Yvette proposes at least one of the following is available: text description, audio descriptions, or collated transcript
21:45:54 [ben]
ack tim
21:45:58 [Andi]
Tim - confusing to have the same functional requirement on different levels
21:48:11 [Kesh]
q+ kerstin
21:48:51 [Kesh]
ack k
21:49:19 [Andi]
Loretta clarifies - hard requirement for audio descriptions at level 2, option to do something less at level 1 but audio descriptions would still satisfy level 1
21:50:01 [Andi]
action: Loretta, Michael, Yvette, John to develop proposal for audio descriptions by Monday.
21:50:48 [Gez]
q+
21:51:04 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
21:51:04 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
21:51:19 [ben]
ack Gez
21:51:24 [Andi]
discussing - GL 3.1 Level 3 SC 2 - move to level 2
21:51:49 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
21:51:49 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
21:52:23 [Gez]
q+
21:53:08 [Andi]
q+
21:53:13 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
21:53:13 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
21:53:14 [ben]
ack Gez
21:53:35 [Andi]
Gez thinks this is easy to do
21:53:44 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
21:53:44 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
21:53:49 [ben]
ack Andi
21:54:44 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
21:54:44 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:54:49 [Andi]
testability issues with "unusual"
21:55:38 [ben]
ack Lor
21:55:54 [Gez]
q+
21:56:02 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
21:56:02 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
21:56:10 [ben]
ack Gez
21:56:49 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
21:56:49 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
21:57:25 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
21:57:25 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
21:57:29 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
21:57:29 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
21:58:17 [Andi]
resolution: leave GL 3.1 Level 3 SC 2 at Level 3
21:58:41 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:00:38 [Michael_Cooper]
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22:00:52 [ben]
sufficient techniques - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg/results
22:01:21 [Andi]
q+
22:01:26 [Michael_Cooper_]
Michael_Cooper_ has joined #wai-wcag
22:02:20 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
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Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
22:02:25 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
22:02:25 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
22:03:07 [Andi]
resolution: GL 3.1 Level 3 SC 3 (abbreviations) - leave this at Level 3
22:03:31 [Andi]
q-
22:03:41 [Gez]
q+
22:03:42 [Michael_Cooper_]
Michael_Cooper_ has joined #wai-wcag
22:04:00 [ben]
ack Tim
22:04:01 [Kesh]
q+ kerstin
22:04:41 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
22:04:41 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
22:06:00 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
22:06:03 [Zakim]
Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
22:06:46 [Christophe]
q+
22:07:34 [Gez]
zakim, unmute me
22:07:34 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should no longer be muted
22:08:47 [bengt]
zakim, unmute me
22:08:47 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre should no longer be muted
22:09:21 [ben]
q?
22:09:27 [Christophe]
q-
22:09:28 [bengt]
zakim, mute me
22:09:29 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre should now be muted
22:09:33 [ben]
ack Gez
22:09:45 [Kesh]
ack G
22:09:50 [Gez]
zakim, mute me
22:09:50 [Zakim]
Gez_Lemon should now be muted
22:09:57 [ben]
ack kers
22:10:10 [ben]
ack Kat
22:10:23 [Kesh]
ack Alex
22:11:10 [Kesh]
scribe: kesh
22:11:37 [Kesh]
katie - we did a survey, why are we re-voting?
22:12:01 [Kesh]
Andi - three objections to moving it up to L2
22:12:13 [Kesh]
John - we need to leave at L3, and note dissent
22:12:38 [Kesh]
katie -- 17 people on survey -- I object, cannot live with it at L3
22:12:56 [Kesh]
John - survey is not the same as "cannot live with it"
22:13:28 [Kesh]
we have 3 to 3 objecting in each direction -- off the table till next week - but we need to decide, and I do not want to call for a vote -- we have so far been able to work to consensus
22:13:45 [Kesh]
guidelines will be stronger if we can reach consensus
22:14:20 [Zakim]
+Gregg_Vanderheiden
22:15:11 [Kesh]
Andi: I think it's more about WHEN to apply it -- do we need to mark St. in an address as an abbreviation
22:18:53 [Kesh]
resolution: move this issue of abbr to next meeting
22:19:05 [ben]
zakim, close this item
22:19:05 [Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
22:19:06 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:19:07 [Zakim]
2. Guidelines 1.3, 2.1, 2.4 and 3.1 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg2/> [from ben]
22:19:10 [Zakim]
-Tim_Boland
22:19:11 [ben]
zakim, take up agendum 2
22:19:12 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Guidelines 1.3, 2.1, 2.4 and 3.1 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2005-11-03mtg2/>" taken up [from ben]
22:22:19 [Kesh]
Loretta -- the whole issue is 'what does this actually mean?'
22:22:41 [ben]
regrets+ Wendy_Chisholm
22:23:12 [Kesh]
loretta -- people were saying if the techno has structure, use it
22:24:35 [Kesh]
gregg - I would rather see something that says 'the following structures need to be exposed programatically' if tech. does not have it, then people cannot use it
22:25:12 [Kesh]
ack A
22:25:34 [Kesh]
issue - how does this affect text files?
22:26:03 [Kesh]
gregg -- there is a way to mark up text files
22:27:21 [Kesh]
loretta -- this offers option three that was not on the survey -- proposing that specific structure be called out as mandatory
22:27:38 [ben]
q+
22:27:50 [Kesh]
andi - this was proposed only in techniques -- 'the following need to be progr. determined ...'
22:28:44 [Kesh]
gregg -- i would rather be specific instead of throwing a broad net to catch all the fish and dolphins at the same time
22:29:11 [Kesh]
q+ kerstin
22:29:47 [Kesh]
loretta - wcag 1.0 requires table markup at level 1, headers at l2
22:30:16 [Michael]
q+
22:30:28 [Kesh]
ben -- where the lost sheep of structure fit in -- kbd, etc.. what level, if any, do these fit in -- where do we draw the line
22:32:10 [Kesh]
gregg -- maybe we should say markup that shows organizational relationships -- level 1,
22:32:25 [Michael]
q?
22:32:28 [ben]
ack ben
22:32:32 [Kesh]
gregg - if this gets the essence of what we think is important, then leave it there
22:32:45 [Zakim]
-rellero
22:32:50 [Kesh]
organization and relationships to each other ...
22:33:09 [Michael]
ack k
22:33:16 [Michael]
ack m
22:33:22 [Michael]
or not
22:34:00 [David]
zakim, who's on the phone?
22:34:00 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Gez_Lemon (muted), Becky_Gibson, Yvette_Hoitink, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bengt_Farre (muted), Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, John_Slatin, Alex_Li,
22:34:03 [Zakim]
... Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic, Kerstin_Goldsmith, David_MacDonald, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Michael_Cooper, Matt_May, Gregg_Vanderheiden
22:34:14 [Kesh]
Michael - a lot of the other sc cover things we care about in structure -- 1.3 is trying to be a catch-all -- we should be pretty open-ended in 1.3
22:34:36 [ben]
ack Lor
22:34:55 [Kesh]
loretta -- I feel the opposite of michael
22:35:09 [Kesh]
michael -- if it's not there, then I think it should be
22:36:10 [Kesh]
proposal: structure that deals with organization or relationship of text within the delivery unit can be programatically determined
22:36:27 [Kesh]
structure related to with organization or relationship of text within the delivery unit can be programatically determined
22:36:32 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
22:36:32 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:36:36 [Andi]
q+
22:37:03 [Kesh]
andi -- have a problem with 'relationship of text'
22:37:21 [Kesh]
gregg -- in guide doc we would deal with things like images, with alt text
22:37:23 [Andi]
q-
22:37:25 [Kesh]
ack A
22:38:32 [Kesh]
ack L
22:39:28 [Yvette]
q+
22:39:33 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
22:39:33 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:40:43 [Kesh]
counter proposal : a mechanism is available to find the definition of each word in the content
22:41:30 [bengt]
zakim, unmute me
22:41:30 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre should no longer be muted
22:41:39 [Kesh]
alex -- what about cross-referencing documents -- do I need to define a definition and a definition and so on, so on
22:41:49 [Yvette]
ack y
22:41:56 [Kesh]
ack A
22:42:05 [Yvette]
q+
22:42:24 [ben]
q+
22:43:03 [ben]
ack yve
22:44:14 [ben]
ack ben
22:44:17 [Kesh]
be -- in favor of taking out of the sc altogether -- if not suff. techniques, then include in advisory under 'unusual ... way'
22:44:47 [ben]
ack alex
22:44:53 [Kesh]
proposal: remove 3.1 L3 SC1 and add it to advisory
22:46:00 [bengt]
I am just afraid that we will deny any way to reach definitions in a general way, why should we be restricted to unusual words ????
22:46:34 [bengt]
ben ?
22:47:12 [Kesh]
proposal -- (1) deleting is an SC and (2) adding it to advisory techniques
22:47:54 [bengt]
q+
22:48:06 [Kesh]
does anyone want to speak against deleting this sc (finding def. in all text and content), and adding that one plus Lisa and bengt's proposal to advisory techniques
22:48:14 [Kesh]
can we just vote to move it?
22:49:35 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
22:49:35 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
22:49:38 [bengt]
that reason hasnt been said before
22:50:26 [Kesh]
can we get consensus to move this to advisory? and that we also add lisa and bengt proposal about meaning to advisory as well
22:50:35 [Kesh]
under L3 SC2
22:52:03 [Kesh]
proposal accepted
22:52:08 [bengt]
there are problems with leaving it to other means, since they are incomplete in other languages than english ...
22:53:18 [Kesh]
proposal: move 3.1 L3 SC1 becomes advisory techniques, as well as lisa and bengts' proposal, as adv. techniques under L3 SC1
22:53:49 [ben]
scribe: ben
22:54:05 [ben]
06resolution: remove 3.1 L3 SC1 and include it as an adivisory technique for 3.1 L3 SC2. Also include an advisory technique based on Lisa and Bengt's proposal01.
22:55:48 [Yvette]
q+
22:56:00 [Michael]
q+ to say I think this one is quite broken
22:56:16 [ben]
discussing: SC and guide for 2.4 L2 SC4
22:56:22 [ben]
ack Bengt
22:56:39 [ben]
ack Yve
22:57:38 [ben]
q+
22:58:56 [ben]
q+ gregg
22:59:45 [ben]
ack Michael
22:59:45 [Zakim]
Michael, you wanted to say I think this one is quite broken
23:00:00 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
23:00:00 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
23:00:33 [ben]
ack ben
23:00:35 [ben]
ack gregg
23:03:27 [Kesh]
Kesh has left #wai-wcag
23:03:37 [Michael]
q+
23:04:05 [Michael]
ack
23:04:05 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
23:04:05 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
23:04:12 [Zakim]
-Yvette_Hoitink
23:04:24 [Zakim]
-Kerstin_Goldsmith
23:04:36 [Yvette]
I object to keeping it as is
23:04:42 [Michael]
ack m
23:05:10 [Yvette]
I can't call back in because the call is officially over
23:05:29 [ben]
ack Lor
23:06:51 [Zakim]
-Katie_Haritos_Shea
23:07:18 [ben]
no consensus
23:07:54 [ben]
action: michael and ben to work on the guide doc for 1.3 L1 SC2 and repropose
23:08:28 [ben]
discussing: Guide for 1.3 L2 SC1
23:09:09 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
23:10:23 [ben]
resolution: accept guide doc for Guide for 1.3 L2 SC1 and keep SC as is
23:10:31 [Yvette]
Excuse me?
23:11:47 [bengt]
just tell zakim to open up again
23:11:57 [Yvette]
how?
23:11:58 [ben]
resolution: accept Success Criterion text and Guide for 1.3 L2 SC2 (action editors to clean up based on comments)
23:12:10 [bengt]
wendy used to do that
23:13:05 [Yvette]
zakim, what conference is this?
23:13:05 [Zakim]
this is WAI_WCAG()4:00PM conference code 9224
23:14:29 [Zakim]
-Alex_Li
23:14:31 [Zakim]
-Sofia_Celic
23:14:33 [Zakim]
-Becky_Gibson
23:14:33 [ben]
next week: discuss last item in survey on 1.3, 2.1, 2.4 and 3.1 and remaining agenda items
23:14:35 [Zakim]
-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:14:39 [Zakim]
-Gez_Lemon
23:14:40 [Zakim]
-Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:14:43 [ben]
zakim, close this item
23:14:43 [Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
23:14:44 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:14:45 [Zakim]
3. Guideline 4.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051103-4_2/> [from ben]
23:14:49 [Zakim]
-Christophe_Strobbe
23:14:49 [ben]
zakim, close item 3
23:14:50 [Zakim]
agendum 3, Guideline 4.2 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051103-4_2/>, closed
23:14:52 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
23:14:54 [Zakim]
4. Check-in on action items and assignments. [from ben]
23:14:58 [ben]
zakim, close item 4
23:14:58 [Zakim]
agendum 4, Check-in on action items and assignments., closed
23:14:59 [Zakim]
I see nothing remaining on the agenda
23:15:19 [Yvette]
Bye all!
23:15:28 [ben]
zakim, who's on the phone?
23:15:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Matt_May, Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:15:46 [ben]
RRSAgent, generate minutes
23:15:46 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
23:16:07 [bengt]
zakim, kick Bengt_Farre
23:16:07 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'kick Bengt_Farre', bengt
23:16:52 [Yvette]
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23:18:22 [bengt]
bengt has left #wai-wcag
23:19:04 [ben]
23:19:04 [ben]
Present: Tim_Boland Alex_Li Andi Andi_Snow_Weaver Becky_Gibson Ben_Caldwell Bengt_Farre Christophe_Strobbe David_MacDonald Gez_Lemon Gregg_Vanderheiden John_Slatin Katie_Haritos_Shea Kerstin_Goldsmith Loretta_Guarino_Reid Makoto_Ueki Matt_May Michael_Cooper Sofia_Celic Yvette_Hoitink
23:20:01 [ben]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
23:20:01 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Matt_May, Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:20:17 [ben]
Zakim, bye
23:20:17 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Gez_Lemon, Becky_Gibson, Yvette_Hoitink, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bengt_Farre, Ben_Caldwell, Makoto_Ueki, John_Slatin, Alex_Li, rellero,
23:20:17 [Zakim]
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23:20:20 [Zakim]
... Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Sofia_Celic, David_MacDonald, Tim_Boland, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Matt_May, Gregg_Vanderheiden
23:20:23 [ben]
RRSAgent, generate minutes
23:20:23 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/11/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
23:25:06 [Christophe]
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