IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-10-27
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- +??P6
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html
- 19:58:13 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P6 is Bengt_Farre
- 19:58:13 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 19:58:19 [lmascaro]
- Today I'm a problem with the audio device... i'm only on irc
- 19:58:32 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
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- +[IPcaller]
- 19:58:50 [Makoto]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
- 19:58:50 [Zakim]
- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
- 19:58:52 [bengt]
- zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
- 19:58:52 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
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- +??P8
- 19:59:09 [bengt]
- zakim, mute me
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- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 19:59:14 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??P8 is Yvette_Hoitink
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- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 19:59:20 [Yvette]
- zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
- 19:59:20 [Zakim]
- ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
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- +David_MacDonald
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- Michael has joined #wai-wcag
- 19:59:57 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +??P11
- 20:00:31 [ben]
- zakim, ??P11 is Gregg_and_Ben
- 20:00:31 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +Alex_Li
- 20:00:38 [rcastaldo]
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- Hi all
- 20:00:51 [gregg]
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- 20:00:58 [bengt]
- sunday for europe
- 20:01:02 [Zakim]
- +??P13
- 20:01:08 [wendy]
- regrets: Don Evans, Sandy Bartell
- 20:01:17 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 20:01:17 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
- 20:01:33 [wendy]
- regrets+ Rob Haverty
- 20:01:34 [Zakim]
- + +1.973.482.aaaa - is perhaps Gian_Sampson-Wild?
- 20:01:56 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.973.482.aaaa is Gez_Lemon
- 20:01:56 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973.482.aaaa'
- 20:02:08 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.973 is Gez_Lemon
- 20:02:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973'
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:02:11 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:02:11 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
- 20:02:15 [Zakim]
- ... Gian_Sampson-Wild?, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:02:24 [Yvette]
- zakim, Gian_Sampson-Wild? is Gez_Lemon
- 20:02:24 [Zakim]
- +Gez_Lemon; got it
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- +Michael_Cooper
- 20:03:25 [rcastaldo]
- tryng to connect with dialpad... have some problems
- 20:04:16 [Becky]
- zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
- 20:04:16 [Zakim]
- ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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- +??P25
- 20:04:45 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P25 is Lisa_Seeman
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- +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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- +??P26
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- + +1.512.324.aabb
- 20:05:45 [wendy]
- zakim, +1.512.324.aabb is John_Slatin
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- +John_Slatin; got it
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- zakim, ??P26 is Roberto_Castaldo
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- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
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- +[IBM]
- 20:06:17 [wendy]
- zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
- 20:06:28 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:06:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
- 20:06:31 [Zakim]
- ... Gez_Lemon, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman (muted), Roberto_Castaldo, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver
- 20:07:16 [wendy]
- Topic: Status and updates
- 20:07:31 [wendy]
- regrets+ Sebastiano Nutarelli
- 20:08:54 [wendy]
- last week's face-to-face. people worked long hours (~8:30-7:30 each day, with 15 minute breaks and 45 minute lunches) for 4 days.
- 20:09:39 [wendy]
- changes made to wiki. gregg sent two lists of items. The first list - are these ready to go out for the next draft?
- 20:10:12 [wendy]
- The second list - are these changes acceptable? e.g., ok to delete a SC or to combine a couple.
- 20:10:24 [wendy]
- the third list are those things we still need to do - that hasn't been sent yet.
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- +??P29
- 20:13:15 [wendy]
- resolution: first block of items are ready for publication list at: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html>
- 20:13:44 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:14:04 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P29 is Roberto_Castaldo
- 20:14:04 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
- 20:14:06 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
- 20:14:22 [wendy]
- Proposal to delete this success criterion
- 20:14:24 [wendy]
- RATIONALE: because it is almost impossible to do unless the live
- 20:14:25 [wendy]
- multimedia is scripted so you know when people are not talking so you can
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- speak audio descriptions. In that case we are only talking about live plays
- 20:14:28 [wendy]
- or something and that was not seen as a major enough type of content on the
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- Web for us to have a success criteria all about it.
- 20:17:05 [wendy]
- zakim, code?
- 20:17:05 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), wendy
- 20:17:09 [ben]
- q?
- 20:18:03 [wendy]
- q-
- 20:18:27 [Zakim]
- +Matt_May
- 20:18:31 [wendy]
- resolution: delete Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
- 20:18:50 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:19:11 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
- 20:19:13 [wendy]
- proposal: remove
- 20:19:14 [wendy]
- Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
- 20:19:16 [wendy]
- should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
- 20:19:24 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
- 20:19:30 [wendy]
- proposal: remove
- 20:19:31 [wendy]
- Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
- 20:19:33 [wendy]
- should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
- 20:19:57 [wendy]
- zakim, mute John_Slatin
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- John_Slatin should now be muted
- 20:20:09 [wendy]
- zakim, unmute John_Slatin
- 20:20:09 [Zakim]
- John_Slatin should no longer be muted
- 20:20:56 [wendy]
- resolution: remove Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
- 20:21:06 [wendy]
- zakim, mute John_Slatin
- 20:21:06 [Zakim]
- John_Slatin should now be muted
- 20:21:24 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 3.1 L3 SC1
- 20:21:29 [wendy]
- proposal: delete
- 20:21:40 [wendy]
- Rationale: SC2 covers everything but very common words that are in a standard dictionary. people with cognitive disabilities would be better
- 20:21:41 [wendy]
- off using a dictionary that is tuned for them or that they are at least used to than having each author specifying a different dictionary. it is better for the user to pick the dictionary - something they are used to.
- 20:21:58 [wendy]
- zakim, unmute John_Slatin
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- John_Slatin was not muted, wendy
- 20:23:53 [wendy]
- concern about disambiuity of words. feeling that it is handled in separate criterion.
- 20:23:55 [wendy]
- ack l
- 20:24:25 [wendy]
- there is a work item about pronunciation (for languages where something else is provided).
- 20:24:37 [wendy]
- that's not the issue was trying to raise.
- 20:24:49 [wendy]
- cites WWAAC work on concept coding.
- 20:25:54 [wendy]
- original idea was about lexicon but evolved to dictionary due to lack of comfort with lexicon.
- 20:27:21 [Yvette]
- q+
- 20:28:18 [wendy]
- ack yv
- 20:28:18 [Yvette]
- ack y
- 20:30:25 [wendy]
- discussion if covered by existing level 3 sc 2 (terms used in restricted way)
- 20:30:32 [bengt]
- q+ to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
- 20:31:02 [wendy]
- not disambiguating words, it's concept coding
- 20:31:11 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 20:32:42 [wendy]
- ack bengt
- 20:32:44 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre, you wanted to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
- 20:32:58 [bengt]
- mike doesnt work
- 20:33:00 [wendy]
- can't hear you bengt
- 20:33:06 [bengt]
- yep
- 20:33:36 [bengt]
- 2 different things conceptcoding sentence and cocneptcode a word
- 20:33:50 [bengt]
- opposing yes
- 20:34:38 [wendy]
- reminder that this SC does not cover concept coding - only that you point to a dictionary.
- 20:35:03 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
- 20:35:16 [bengt]
- yep
- 20:35:38 [bengt]
- lets not forget this point but delete ok
- 20:35:51 [wendy]
- ack joh
- 20:35:53 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 20:35:55 [wendy]
- ack yv
- 20:35:56 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
- 20:36:16 [bengt]
- yep
- 20:36:42 [bengt]
- conceptcoding is pointing to a dictionary that is based a concept
- 20:38:48 [bengt]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:38:48 [Zakim]
- Bengt_Farre should now be muted
- 20:40:25 [wendy]
- ack jo
- 20:40:27 [wendy]
- ack lis
- 20:41:09 [Yvette]
- q+
- 20:42:05 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:42:05 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
- 20:42:08 [wendy]
- ack y
- 20:43:53 [wendy]
- suggestion to keep this as because 1. a "placeholder" for something related to concept coding 2. concern that watering down guidelines wrt cognitive disabilities
- 20:44:01 [wendy]
- need to work on guide document to reflect issues raised today
- 20:44:37 [mcmay]
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- 20:45:05 [wendy]
- no consensus. ask for someone to write a proposal and act on at next meeting.
- 20:45:13 [bengt]
- bengt will work on it
- 20:45:40 [wendy]
- action: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding.
- 20:46:12 [wendy]
- zakim, loretta has Gian_Sampson-Wild
- 20:46:12 [Zakim]
- +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
- 20:46:46 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
- 20:46:54 [wendy]
- proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
- 20:47:23 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
- 20:47:30 [wendy]
- proposal to delete
- 20:47:41 [wendy]
- Rationale: moved to a general technique for 4.2 L1 sc6. Also, the implication of the wording is that accessibility conventions would need to be used even if they are not appropriate (e.g., "accesskey").
- 20:49:05 [wendy]
- resolution: delete Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
- 20:49:14 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
- 20:49:19 [wendy]
- proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
- 20:51:44 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
- 20:52:22 [wendy]
- ack jo
- 20:52:47 [wendy]
- clarification - not combine the 2 criteria, but delete the level 3 because it is covered by the level 2 criterion.
- 20:53:51 [wendy]
- and then combine the guide documents since there are good techniques in the l3 guide doc.
- 20:54:43 [Yvette]
- ack y
- 20:54:43 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
- 20:54:50 [wendy]
- ack yv
- 21:01:57 [wendy]
- this is in guideline 3.2 - about predictable functionality. concern about definition of function. does it include convey information?
- 21:02:29 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
- 21:02:39 [wendy]
- proposal - leave both of them in since what they mean is unclear. someone needs to look at what they say and propose a clarification.
- 21:03:17 [wendy]
- ack yv
- 21:03:17 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
- 21:03:57 [wendy]
- ack li
- 21:05:36 [wendy]
- concern about how this applies to a site that provides a simplified version
- 21:05:38 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 21:07:30 [wendy]
- resolution: combine Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1 and 3.2 L2 SC3 with proviso that we work on using the guide documents to clarify what is covered.
- 21:07:46 [wendy]
- regrets+ Luca_Mascaro
- 21:08:18 [wendy]
- Topic: Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
- 21:09:10 [wendy]
- ready to go?
- 21:09:11 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.3_L3_SC_2
- 21:09:25 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:10:12 [wendy]
- it's a new SC that hasn't previously been published.
- 21:11:35 [wendy]
- concern that it should be at level 2
- 21:11:39 [David]
- +q
- 21:11:46 [David]
- q+
- 21:11:53 [wendy]
- ack kat
- 21:12:18 [wendy]
- ack david
- 21:12:52 [mcmay]
- q+
- 21:13:48 [Michael]
- q+ to discuss ednote Makoto put in
- 21:13:51 [wendy]
- ack mc
- 21:15:08 [wendy]
- proposal, "do not depend solely..." so as not to discourage the practice (similar to practice). don't want to say people can't use, but if they do be redundant with other encoding.
- 21:15:35 [wendy]
- ack li
- 21:17:30 [wendy]
- ack mi
- 21:17:30 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper, you wanted to discuss ednote Makoto put in
- 21:18:02 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:18:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
- 21:18:09 [Zakim]
- ... Gez_Lemon (muted), Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:18:11 [Zakim]
- Loretta_Guarino_Reid has Gian_Sampson-Wild
- 21:20:37 [wendy]
- ...in another way that does not depend on shape or location.
- 21:21:07 [gregg]
- When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on shape or visual location of components.
- 21:21:18 [wendy]
- q+
- 21:21:39 [wendy]
- q-
- 21:23:14 [gregg]
- When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
- 21:24:26 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 21:24:31 [wendy]
- ack kat
- 21:25:24 [gregg]
- Instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit do not depend solely on users' ability to perceive visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
- 21:25:51 [David]
- q+
- 21:27:11 [wendy]
- ack li
- 21:27:43 [wendy]
- concern about tactile markup and other haptic devices that could be used in the future
- 21:28:16 [wendy]
- ack david
- 21:28:22 [wendy]
- q+ christophe
- 21:28:44 [wendy]
- ack chris
- 21:29:07 [wendy]
- proposal: When instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit use (refer to?) shape or visual location , the instructions do not solely rely on these visual characteristics (i.e. shape and visual location)..
- 21:29:44 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:29:46 [David]
- tactile map link http://tactile.nrcan.gc.ca/page.cgi?url=index_e.html
- 21:29:59 [wendy]
- "user's ability to perceive" is not testable
- 21:31:04 [wendy]
- Instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit do not depend solely visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
- 21:31:27 [wendy]
- s/solely/solely on
- 21:32:26 [wendy]
- ack kerstin
- 21:33:21 [Zakim]
- -Lisa_Seeman
- 21:33:53 [wendy]
- q+ gian
- 21:34:00 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 21:34:19 [wendy]
- if narrow to shape or visual location, should also include size
- 21:34:25 [wendy]
- ack gian
- 21:34:43 [wendy]
- concern that it needs more investigation
- 21:34:45 [rcast]
- I'm sorry, I've got to leave the call now, hear you all next week. Bye all.
- 21:34:56 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Castaldo
- 21:35:18 [gregg]
- Q+
- 21:35:30 [wendy]
- ack gr
- 21:36:20 [Christophe]
- q+
- 21:36:42 [wendy]
- proposal: instructions do not rely on vision for understanding
- 21:37:03 [Christophe]
- q-
- 21:39:34 [wendy]
- ack ker
- 21:41:15 [Christophe]
- q+ to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
- 21:41:24 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 21:42:10 [wendy]
- ack ch
- 21:42:10 [Zakim]
- Christophe, you wanted to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
- 21:47:15 [wendy]
- ack ker
- 21:48:15 [wendy]
- as compared to JIS: our current wording limits to instructions but is broader (to all visual characteristics)
- 21:49:11 [Andi]
- q+
- 21:50:17 [wendy]
- action: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc.
- 21:51:24 [gregg]
- ack andi
- 21:52:03 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 21:52:46 [wendy]
- ack ker
- 21:53:14 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:54:22 [Andi]
- Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape and location alone.
- 21:54:59 [Andi]
- Information required to understand and operate Web content shall not rely on shape or location alone.
- 21:55:26 [wendy]
- resolution: adopt at level 2 with guide doc on the way from kerstin and makoto - Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape or location alone.
- 21:55:43 [wendy]
- ack kat
- 21:57:39 [wendy]
- action: katie "next round we should..." wrt Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
- 21:58:32 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, drop action 3
- 21:58:36 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:58:46 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Makoto_Ueki (30%)
- 21:59:00 [Makoto]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:59:00 [Zakim]
- Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
- 21:59:49 [wendy]
- Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
- 22:00:13 [wendy]
- Topic: things for next week
- 22:00:26 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 22:00:35 [wendy]
- guideline 1.2 l1 sc1 captions - level 1 or 2?
- 22:00:46 [wendy]
- guideline 1.2 l1 sc 2 audio descriptions - level 1 or 2
- 22:01:18 [wendy]
- guideline 3.1 L3 SC2, SC3, and SC5 - move from level 3 to level 2?
- 22:01:30 [wendy]
- we will send surveys on these items.
- 22:02:03 [wendy]
- s/surveys/survey
- 22:02:16 [wendy]
- Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
- 22:02:18 [wendy]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:02:30 [Zakim]
- wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kerstin_Goldsmith (28%), Gregg_and_Ben (66%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (13%), John_Slatin (29%)
- 22:02:46 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Kerstin
- 22:02:46 [Zakim]
- Kerstin_Goldsmith should now be muted
- 22:04:27 [wendy]
- latest notes. rough.
- 22:04:29 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.3 L1 SC1 - Wendy, Loretta, Andi, David
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- * Guideline 1.3 L1 SC2 - Gregg
- 22:04:32 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.3 L2 SC1 - Gregg
- 22:04:34 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.3 L2 SC2 - ?? needs work ??
- 22:04:35 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.3 L3 SC1 - Loretta
- 22:04:36 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.4 L2 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers for the algorithm then survey for review.
- 22:04:38 [wendy]
- * Guideline 1.4 L3 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers.
- 22:04:39 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.1 L1 SC1 - Gregg. New wording means changes needed to intent and perhaps addition of a couple notes.
- 22:04:41 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.2 L1 SC1 - Michael, Andi, Don (and maybe Alex) discuss server time-outs. Loretta and Gian to consider how to handle auction example. Several editorial changes needed related to intent section (adopt proposals from John, Gregg, and Andi)
- 22:04:43 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.2 L3 SC3 - Becky ask security expert about techniques. Becky and David ask for clarification from Roberto Scano about his comment in the survey (about IIS).
- 22:04:44 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.3 - Gregg
- 22:04:46 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.4 L1 SC1 - Andi, Wendy, Loretta, David (in conjunction with G1.3 L1 SC1)
- 22:04:48 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.4 L2 SC1 - Wendy, Becky, Alex
- 22:04:50 [wendy]
- * Guideline 2.4 L3 SC4 - ?? there is alterantive wording of the SC but not clear that we agreed on it. Is someone supposed to work on proposal for new wording or adopt what's there?
- 22:04:53 [wendy]
- * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC2 - waiting for editorial as well as 2.3 resolutions?
- 22:04:55 [wendy]
- * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC5 - Gregg and Gez to write definitions.
- 22:04:57 [wendy]
- * Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 - lots of notes. needs cleaned up.
- 22:06:01 [Zakim]
- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
- 22:07:37 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Proposed_Guide_to_2.4_L2_SC4
- 22:08:59 [wendy]
- guideline 2.4 L2 SC4 - decided to wait for discussion. think it's ready to discuss.
- 22:09:35 [wendy]
- survey both wordings in survey
- 22:09:37 [wendy]
- ack kat
- 22:11:05 [wendy]
- Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_4.2_L1_SC_6
- 22:11:32 [wendy]
- michael sent email to list
- 22:12:02 [wendy]
- michael to work on 4.2 L1 SC6
- 22:13:27 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 22:13:27 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 22:15:43 [wendy]
- instead of "guide" call "intent and best practice"
- 22:15:48 [wendy]
- what about "explation and examples"
- 22:17:06 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 22:17:07 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 22:17:08 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 22:17:08 [bengt]
- gnight
- 22:17:09 [Zakim]
- -Sofia_Celic
- 22:17:10 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 22:17:11 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 22:17:12 [Zakim]
- -Matt_May
- 22:17:14 [Zakim]
- -Gregg_and_Ben
- 22:17:15 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 22:17:15 [Yvette]
- wave
- 22:17:16 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 22:17:18 [Zakim]
- -Yvette_Hoitink
- 22:17:19 [Zakim]
- -Becky_Gibson
- 22:17:21 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 22:17:23 [Zakim]
- -Bengt_Farre
- 22:17:25 [Zakim]
- -Gez_Lemon
- 22:17:27 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 22:17:29 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.973.482.aaaa,
- 22:17:32 [Zakim]
- ... Gez_Lemon, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Roberto_Castaldo, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Gian_Sampson-Wild
- 22:17:51 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 22:17:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
- 22:18:03 [ben]
- ben has left #wai-wcag
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- 22:41:29 [wendy]
- Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
- 22:41:36 [wendy]
- chair: Gregg
- 22:41:50 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 22:41:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
- 22:42:02 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 22:42:02 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 22:55:12 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 22:55:12 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
- 22:55:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding. [1]
- 22:55:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-40
- 22:55:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc. [2]
- 22:55:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-50-17