IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-10-27

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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+Sofia_Celic
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+??P6
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html
19:58:13 [bengt]
zakim, ??P6 is Bengt_Farre
19:58:13 [Zakim]
+Bengt_Farre; got it
19:58:19 [lmascaro]
Today I'm a problem with the audio device... i'm only on irc
19:58:32 [Zakim]
+Wendy
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+[IPcaller]
19:58:50 [Makoto]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
19:58:50 [Zakim]
+Makoto_Ueki; got it
19:58:52 [bengt]
zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
19:58:52 [Zakim]
ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
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+??P8
19:59:09 [bengt]
zakim, mute me
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Bengt_Farre should now be muted
19:59:14 [Yvette]
zakim, ??P8 is Yvette_Hoitink
19:59:14 [Zakim]
+Yvette_Hoitink; got it
19:59:20 [Yvette]
zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
19:59:20 [Zakim]
ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
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+David_MacDonald
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zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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+??P11
20:00:31 [ben]
zakim, ??P11 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:00:31 [Zakim]
+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:00:37 [Zakim]
+Alex_Li
20:00:38 [rcastaldo]
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Hi all
20:00:51 [gregg]
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20:00:58 [bengt]
sunday for europe
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+??P13
20:01:08 [wendy]
regrets: Don Evans, Sandy Bartell
20:01:17 [wendy]
zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:01:17 [Zakim]
+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:01:33 [wendy]
regrets+ Rob Haverty
20:01:34 [Zakim]
+ +1.973.482.aaaa - is perhaps Gian_Sampson-Wild?
20:01:56 [wendy]
zakim, +1.973.482.aaaa is Gez_Lemon
20:01:56 [Zakim]
sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973.482.aaaa'
20:02:08 [wendy]
zakim, +1.973 is Gez_Lemon
20:02:08 [Zakim]
sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+1.973'
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:02:11 [Yvette]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:11 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
20:02:15 [Zakim]
... Gian_Sampson-Wild?, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:02:24 [Yvette]
zakim, Gian_Sampson-Wild? is Gez_Lemon
20:02:24 [Zakim]
+Gez_Lemon; got it
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+Becky_Gibson
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+Michael_Cooper
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tryng to connect with dialpad... have some problems
20:04:16 [Becky]
zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
20:04:16 [Zakim]
ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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+??P25
20:04:45 [wendy]
zakim, ??P25 is Lisa_Seeman
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+Lisa_Seeman; got it
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+??P26
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+ +1.512.324.aabb
20:05:45 [wendy]
zakim, +1.512.324.aabb is John_Slatin
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+John_Slatin; got it
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zakim, ??P26 is Roberto_Castaldo
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+Roberto_Castaldo; got it
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+[IBM]
20:06:17 [wendy]
zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:06:17 [Zakim]
+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
20:06:28 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:06:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
20:06:31 [Zakim]
... Gez_Lemon, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman (muted), Roberto_Castaldo, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:07:16 [wendy]
Topic: Status and updates
20:07:31 [wendy]
regrets+ Sebastiano Nutarelli
20:08:54 [wendy]
last week's face-to-face. people worked long hours (~8:30-7:30 each day, with 15 minute breaks and 45 minute lunches) for 4 days.
20:09:39 [wendy]
changes made to wiki. gregg sent two lists of items. The first list - are these ready to go out for the next draft?
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The second list - are these changes acceptable? e.g., ok to delete a SC or to combine a couple.
20:10:24 [wendy]
the third list are those things we still need to do - that hasn't been sent yet.
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+??P29
20:13:15 [wendy]
resolution: first block of items are ready for publication list at: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0121.html>
20:13:44 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Castaldo
20:14:04 [bengt]
zakim, ??P29 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:14:04 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Castaldo; got it
20:14:06 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
20:14:22 [wendy]
Proposal to delete this success criterion
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RATIONALE: because it is almost impossible to do unless the live
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multimedia is scripted so you know when people are not talking so you can
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speak audio descriptions. In that case we are only talking about live plays
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or something and that was not seen as a major enough type of content on the
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Web for us to have a success criteria all about it.
20:17:05 [wendy]
zakim, code?
20:17:05 [Zakim]
the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), wendy
20:17:09 [ben]
q?
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q-
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+Matt_May
20:18:31 [wendy]
resolution: delete Guideline 1.2 L3 SC3 - audio descriptions (live multimedia)
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:19:11 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
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proposal: remove
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Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
20:19:16 [wendy]
should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
20:19:24 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
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proposal: remove
20:19:31 [wendy]
Rationale: if you conform to other success criteria (1.1 and 1.3) then there are no further requirements. we're assuming that user agents
20:19:33 [wendy]
should or could change color of text and background for contrast as long as the text is programmatically determined.
20:19:57 [wendy]
zakim, mute John_Slatin
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John_Slatin should now be muted
20:20:09 [wendy]
zakim, unmute John_Slatin
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John_Slatin should no longer be muted
20:20:56 [wendy]
resolution: remove Guideline 1.4 L1 SC1
20:21:06 [wendy]
zakim, mute John_Slatin
20:21:06 [Zakim]
John_Slatin should now be muted
20:21:24 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 3.1 L3 SC1
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proposal: delete
20:21:40 [wendy]
Rationale: SC2 covers everything but very common words that are in a standard dictionary. people with cognitive disabilities would be better
20:21:41 [wendy]
off using a dictionary that is tuned for them or that they are at least used to than having each author specifying a different dictionary. it is better for the user to pick the dictionary - something they are used to.
20:21:58 [wendy]
zakim, unmute John_Slatin
20:21:58 [Zakim]
John_Slatin was not muted, wendy
20:23:53 [wendy]
concern about disambiuity of words. feeling that it is handled in separate criterion.
20:23:55 [wendy]
ack l
20:24:25 [wendy]
there is a work item about pronunciation (for languages where something else is provided).
20:24:37 [wendy]
that's not the issue was trying to raise.
20:24:49 [wendy]
cites WWAAC work on concept coding.
20:25:54 [wendy]
original idea was about lexicon but evolved to dictionary due to lack of comfort with lexicon.
20:27:21 [Yvette]
q+
20:28:18 [wendy]
ack yv
20:28:18 [Yvette]
ack y
20:30:25 [wendy]
discussion if covered by existing level 3 sc 2 (terms used in restricted way)
20:30:32 [bengt]
q+ to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
20:31:02 [wendy]
not disambiguating words, it's concept coding
20:31:11 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:32:42 [wendy]
ack bengt
20:32:44 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre, you wanted to say cognitive handicaps require to be able to find the meaning for any word
20:32:58 [bengt]
mike doesnt work
20:33:00 [wendy]
can't hear you bengt
20:33:06 [bengt]
yep
20:33:36 [bengt]
2 different things conceptcoding sentence and cocneptcode a word
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opposing yes
20:34:38 [wendy]
reminder that this SC does not cover concept coding - only that you point to a dictionary.
20:35:03 [Yvette]
q+ to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
20:35:16 [bengt]
yep
20:35:38 [bengt]
lets not forget this point but delete ok
20:35:51 [wendy]
ack joh
20:35:53 [wendy]
ack lor
20:35:55 [wendy]
ack yv
20:35:56 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "Concept coding would be allowed here"
20:36:16 [bengt]
yep
20:36:42 [bengt]
conceptcoding is pointing to a dictionary that is based a concept
20:38:48 [bengt]
zakim, mute me
20:38:48 [Zakim]
Bengt_Farre should now be muted
20:40:25 [wendy]
ack jo
20:40:27 [wendy]
ack lis
20:41:09 [Yvette]
q+
20:42:05 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
20:42:05 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
20:42:08 [wendy]
ack y
20:43:53 [wendy]
suggestion to keep this as because 1. a "placeholder" for something related to concept coding 2. concern that watering down guidelines wrt cognitive disabilities
20:44:01 [wendy]
need to work on guide document to reflect issues raised today
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no consensus. ask for someone to write a proposal and act on at next meeting.
20:45:13 [bengt]
bengt will work on it
20:45:40 [wendy]
action: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding.
20:46:12 [wendy]
zakim, loretta has Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:46:12 [Zakim]
+Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:46:46 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
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proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
20:47:23 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
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proposal to delete
20:47:41 [wendy]
Rationale: moved to a general technique for 4.2 L1 sc6. Also, the implication of the wording is that accessibility conventions would need to be used even if they are not appropriate (e.g., "accesskey").
20:49:05 [wendy]
resolution: delete Guideline 4.2 L2 SC1
20:49:14 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1
20:49:19 [wendy]
proposal to combine with 3.2 L2 SC3
20:51:44 [Yvette]
q+ to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
20:52:22 [wendy]
ack jo
20:52:47 [wendy]
clarification - not combine the 2 criteria, but delete the level 3 because it is covered by the level 2 criterion.
20:53:51 [wendy]
and then combine the guide documents since there are good techniques in the l3 guide doc.
20:54:43 [Yvette]
ack y
20:54:43 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "L2 doesn't cover non-functional graphics"
20:54:50 [wendy]
ack yv
21:01:57 [wendy]
this is in guideline 3.2 - about predictable functionality. concern about definition of function. does it include convey information?
21:02:29 [Yvette]
q+ to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
21:02:39 [wendy]
proposal - leave both of them in since what they mean is unclear. someone needs to look at what they say and propose a clarification.
21:03:17 [wendy]
ack yv
21:03:17 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "if current L3 is already about functional graphics than combine is OK, no matter what functionality really means"
21:03:57 [wendy]
ack li
21:05:36 [wendy]
concern about how this applies to a site that provides a simplified version
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ack lor
21:07:30 [wendy]
resolution: combine Guideline 3.2 L3 SC1 and 3.2 L2 SC3 with proviso that we work on using the guide documents to clarify what is covered.
21:07:46 [wendy]
regrets+ Luca_Mascaro
21:08:18 [wendy]
Topic: Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
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ready to go?
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http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_1.3_L3_SC_2
21:09:25 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
21:10:12 [wendy]
it's a new SC that hasn't previously been published.
21:11:35 [wendy]
concern that it should be at level 2
21:11:39 [David]
+q
21:11:46 [David]
q+
21:11:53 [wendy]
ack kat
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ack david
21:12:52 [mcmay]
q+
21:13:48 [Michael]
q+ to discuss ednote Makoto put in
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ack mc
21:15:08 [wendy]
proposal, "do not depend solely..." so as not to discourage the practice (similar to practice). don't want to say people can't use, but if they do be redundant with other encoding.
21:15:35 [wendy]
ack li
21:17:30 [wendy]
ack mi
21:17:30 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper, you wanted to discuss ednote Makoto put in
21:18:02 [wendy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
21:18:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre (muted), Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
21:18:09 [Zakim]
... Gez_Lemon (muted), Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Castaldo (muted), Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith
21:18:11 [Zakim]
Loretta_Guarino_Reid has Gian_Sampson-Wild
21:20:37 [wendy]
...in another way that does not depend on shape or location.
21:21:07 [gregg]
When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on shape or visual location of components.
21:21:18 [wendy]
q+
21:21:39 [wendy]
q-
21:23:14 [gregg]
When Instructions convey information using visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components the information is also provided in a way that does not rely on visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:24:26 [wendy]
ack lor
21:24:31 [wendy]
ack kat
21:25:24 [gregg]
Instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit do not depend solely on users' ability to perceive visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:25:51 [David]
q+
21:27:11 [wendy]
ack li
21:27:43 [wendy]
concern about tactile markup and other haptic devices that could be used in the future
21:28:16 [wendy]
ack david
21:28:22 [wendy]
q+ christophe
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ack chris
21:29:07 [wendy]
proposal: When instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit use (refer to?) shape or visual location , the instructions do not solely rely on these visual characteristics (i.e. shape and visual location)..
21:29:44 [wendy]
ack john
21:29:46 [David]
tactile map link http://tactile.nrcan.gc.ca/page.cgi?url=index_e.html
21:29:59 [wendy]
"user's ability to perceive" is not testable
21:31:04 [wendy]
Instructions for understanding or operating a delivery unit do not depend solely visual characteristics such as shape or visual location of components.
21:31:27 [wendy]
s/solely/solely on
21:32:26 [wendy]
ack kerstin
21:33:21 [Zakim]
-Lisa_Seeman
21:33:53 [wendy]
q+ gian
21:34:00 [wendy]
ack lor
21:34:19 [wendy]
if narrow to shape or visual location, should also include size
21:34:25 [wendy]
ack gian
21:34:43 [wendy]
concern that it needs more investigation
21:34:45 [rcast]
I'm sorry, I've got to leave the call now, hear you all next week. Bye all.
21:34:56 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Castaldo
21:35:18 [gregg]
Q+
21:35:30 [wendy]
ack gr
21:36:20 [Christophe]
q+
21:36:42 [wendy]
proposal: instructions do not rely on vision for understanding
21:37:03 [Christophe]
q-
21:39:34 [wendy]
ack ker
21:41:15 [Christophe]
q+ to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
21:41:24 [wendy]
ack lor
21:42:10 [wendy]
ack ch
21:42:10 [Zakim]
Christophe, you wanted to say "We did not get back to Makoto (about something still being under consideration)"
21:47:15 [wendy]
ack ker
21:48:15 [wendy]
as compared to JIS: our current wording limits to instructions but is broader (to all visual characteristics)
21:49:11 [Andi]
q+
21:50:17 [wendy]
action: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc.
21:51:24 [gregg]
ack andi
21:52:03 [wendy]
ack lor
21:52:46 [wendy]
ack ker
21:53:14 [wendy]
ack john
21:54:22 [Andi]
Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape and location alone.
21:54:59 [Andi]
Information required to understand and operate Web content shall not rely on shape or location alone.
21:55:26 [wendy]
resolution: adopt at level 2 with guide doc on the way from kerstin and makoto - Information required to understand and operate Web content does not rely on shape or location alone.
21:55:43 [wendy]
ack kat
21:57:39 [wendy]
action: katie "next round we should..." wrt Guideline 1.3 L3 SC2
21:58:32 [wendy]
RRSAgent, drop action 3
21:58:36 [wendy]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:58:46 [Zakim]
wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Makoto_Ueki (30%)
21:59:00 [Makoto]
zakim, mute me
21:59:00 [Zakim]
Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
21:59:49 [wendy]
Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
22:00:13 [wendy]
Topic: things for next week
22:00:26 [Zakim]
-Christophe_Strobbe
22:00:35 [wendy]
guideline 1.2 l1 sc1 captions - level 1 or 2?
22:00:46 [wendy]
guideline 1.2 l1 sc 2 audio descriptions - level 1 or 2
22:01:18 [wendy]
guideline 3.1 L3 SC2, SC3, and SC5 - move from level 3 to level 2?
22:01:30 [wendy]
we will send surveys on these items.
22:02:03 [wendy]
s/surveys/survey
22:02:16 [wendy]
Topic: guides that need work and who's working on them
22:02:18 [wendy]
zakim, who's making noise?
22:02:30 [Zakim]
wendy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kerstin_Goldsmith (28%), Gregg_and_Ben (66%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (13%), John_Slatin (29%)
22:02:46 [wendy]
zakim, mute Kerstin
22:02:46 [Zakim]
Kerstin_Goldsmith should now be muted
22:04:27 [wendy]
latest notes. rough.
22:04:29 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.3 L1 SC1 - Wendy, Loretta, Andi, David
22:04:30 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.3 L1 SC2 - Gregg
22:04:32 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.3 L2 SC1 - Gregg
22:04:34 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.3 L2 SC2 - ?? needs work ??
22:04:35 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.3 L3 SC1 - Loretta
22:04:36 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.4 L2 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers for the algorithm then survey for review.
22:04:38 [wendy]
* Guideline 1.4 L3 SC1 - Gregg. Add numbers.
22:04:39 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.1 L1 SC1 - Gregg. New wording means changes needed to intent and perhaps addition of a couple notes.
22:04:41 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.2 L1 SC1 - Michael, Andi, Don (and maybe Alex) discuss server time-outs. Loretta and Gian to consider how to handle auction example. Several editorial changes needed related to intent section (adopt proposals from John, Gregg, and Andi)
22:04:43 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.2 L3 SC3 - Becky ask security expert about techniques. Becky and David ask for clarification from Roberto Scano about his comment in the survey (about IIS).
22:04:44 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.3 - Gregg
22:04:46 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.4 L1 SC1 - Andi, Wendy, Loretta, David (in conjunction with G1.3 L1 SC1)
22:04:48 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.4 L2 SC1 - Wendy, Becky, Alex
22:04:50 [wendy]
* Guideline 2.4 L3 SC4 - ?? there is alterantive wording of the SC but not clear that we agreed on it. Is someone supposed to work on proposal for new wording or adopt what's there?
22:04:53 [wendy]
* Guideline 4.2 L1 SC2 - waiting for editorial as well as 2.3 resolutions?
22:04:55 [wendy]
* Guideline 4.2 L1 SC5 - Gregg and Gez to write definitions.
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* Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 - lots of notes. needs cleaned up.
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Proposed_Guide_to_2.4_L2_SC4
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guideline 2.4 L2 SC4 - decided to wait for discussion. think it's ready to discuss.
22:09:35 [wendy]
survey both wordings in survey
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ack kat
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Guideline 4.2 L1 SC6 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guide_to_4.2_L1_SC_6
22:11:32 [wendy]
michael sent email to list
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michael to work on 4.2 L1 SC6
22:13:27 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:15:43 [wendy]
instead of "guide" call "intent and best practice"
22:15:48 [wendy]
what about "explation and examples"
22:17:06 [Zakim]
-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Alex_Li
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-Wendy
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gnight
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Matt_May
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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-John_Slatin
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wave
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Yvette_Hoitink
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-Becky_Gibson
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-David_MacDonald
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Gez_Lemon
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre, Wendy, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.973.482.aaaa,
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... Gez_Lemon, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, John_Slatin, Roberto_Castaldo, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Matt_May, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Gian_Sampson-Wild
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RRSAgent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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22:41:29 [wendy]
Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
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chair: Gregg
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RRSAgent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
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zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: bengt and lisa proposal for success criterion and guide document by monday to address concept coding. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-40
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ACTION: kerstin and makoto work on rewording of SC of about "shape and locaiton" and guide doc. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-50-17