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19:41:46 <wendy> Meeting: WCAG WG
19:41:50 <wendy> Chair: Gregg
19:42:11 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005OctDec/0003.html
19:42:24 <wendy> agenda+ Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)
19:42:34 <wendy> agenda+ Team C: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes)
19:42:40 <wendy> agenda+ Team B: proposals, questions and updates: (20 minutes)
19:43:00 <wendy> agenda+ Team A: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes) survey results - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051004survey/results
19:44:54 <wendy> regrets: Roberto Castaldo, John Slatin, Sebastiano Nutarelli, Bruno von Niman, WATANABE Takayuki, Michael Cooper, Andi Snow-Weaver, Luca Mascaro, Christophe Strobbe
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19:49:13 <wendy> RRSAgent, make logs world
19:49:58 <bengt> zakim, conferences ?
19:49:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bengt.
19:50:06 <bengt> zakim, what conferences ?
19:50:07 <Zakim> I see XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, IA_Team()4:00AM active
19:50:08 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WAI_WCAG()4:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
19:50:47 <bengt> zakim, this will be wai_wcag
19:50:47 <Zakim> ok, bengt; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
19:58:20 <ben_> ben_ has joined #wai-wcag
19:58:39 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
19:58:46 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
20:00:14 <Zakim> +??P2
20:00:21 <ben_> zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_and_Ben
20:00:21 <Zakim> +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
20:00:44 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:01:03 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
20:01:06 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:01:23 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:02:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:02:47 <wendy> zakim, IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero
20:02:47 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:02:52 <rellero> zakim, +[IPcaller] is rellero
20:02:52 <Zakim> sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
20:03:00 <rellero> 04 01zakim, [IPcaller] is rellero
20:03:33 <rellero> zakim, mute me
20:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, rellero, I do not see a party named 'rellero'
20:03:55 <rellero> zakim, rellero is roberto_elllero
20:03:55 <Zakim> sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named 'rellero'
20:04:20 <rellero> zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
20:04:20 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
20:04:44 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted)
20:04:47 <rellero> noise
20:05:05 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
20:05:06 <Zakim> +??P12
20:05:17 <wendy> zakim, ??P12 is Sofia_Celic
20:05:17 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic; got it
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20:06:58 <Zakim> +??P13
20:07:08 <bengt> zakim, ??p13 is Bengt_Farre
20:07:08 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:07:32 <Zakim> +??P14
20:08:44 <wendy> team c - 1.3 (as well as 4.2 and 2.5)
20:09:24 <wendy> team b - 2.4 (as well as 1.2 and 3.1)
20:09:33 <wendy> team a - 2.2 (as well as 1.1 and 3.2)
20:09:47 <wendy> gv and bc are doing 2.3, 2.1, and 1.4
20:09:51 <wendy> editors are doing 4.1
20:10:05 <wendy> then have all of them worked for f2f
20:10:38 <wendy> zakim, take up item 1
20:10:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
20:10:42 <wendy> scribe: wendy
20:11:16 <rellero> luca and I have to make guide for guideline 1.2 Level 3 sc2
20:12:11 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:12:49 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:12:55 <wendy> zakim, ??P14 is Katie
20:12:55 <Zakim> +Katie; got it
20:13:01 <ben_> zakim, [IBM] is Andi
20:13:01 <Zakim> +Andi; got it
20:13:01 <wendy> zakim, IBM is Andi
20:13:02 <Zakim> sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
20:13:11 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:13:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Katie, Andi
20:13:40 <wendy> zakim, Katie is Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:13:40 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
20:13:46 <wendy> zakim, Andi is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:13:46 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
20:14:31 <wendy> plan is to go into f2f with drafts of everything and come out with a WD
20:14:33 <wendy> zakim, next item
20:14:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team C: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
20:16:18 <wendy> should have 2.5 guide documents for next week
20:18:34 <wendy> 1.3 has some guide document already - http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-GENERAL/guideline1.3.html
20:19:49 <wendy> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/ - there is not yet an entry for 1.3, but anyone can create (ask ben or wendy for instructions)
20:19:59 <Zakim> +??P16
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20:20:14 <wendy> zakim, ??P16 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:20:14 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
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20:23:27 <wendy> face-to-face agenda: day 1 - 5 guidelines, day 2 - 5 guidelines, day 3 - 3 guidelines, conformance, checklist, day 4 - JIS, what's left, prep for november WD
20:23:40 <wendy> also, mapping - updates as needed (to publish as appendix)
20:24:02 <wendy> zakim, next item
20:24:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Team B: proposals, questions and updates: (20 minutes)" taken up [from wendy]
20:24:35 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
20:25:10 <wendy> 3.1 in good shape, 1.2 under way, 2.4 will need to alert the team
20:27:30 <wendy> zakim, next item
20:27:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Team A: proposals, questions and updates (20 minutes) survey results - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051004survey/results" taken up [from wendy]
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20:28:42 <wendy> Issue 1488 Should L3 SC1 be removed?
20:32:05 <Zakim> -Don_Evans
20:32:44 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
20:33:31 <wendy> resolution: do not remove guideline 1.1 L3 SC1
20:34:15 <wendy> concern about tools to generate collated transcripts
20:35:43 <wendy> resolution: captions + audio descriptions would constitute a sufficient solution
20:36:00 <wendy> (previous resolution - do not remove...was not the resolution agreed on)
20:38:09 <wendy> no one supports moving this from level 3 to level 2 (even though is priority 1 in WCAG 1.0, as part of checkpoint 1.1)
20:39:48 <wendy> unclear that audio description is part of transcript as worded, "For prerecorded multimedia content, a combined transcript of captions and audio descriptions of video is available."
20:42:22 <wendy> we mean "collated transcript" but were trying to avoid that phrase
20:42:35 <wendy> action: gian propose rewrite of guideline 1.1 L3 sc 1
20:42:59 <wendy> resolution: reword but don't remove 1.1 l3 sc1
20:43:17 <wendy> Revise example 2 and close issue 1561
20:45:23 <wendy> concern that short label should provide the info that could be easily gleaned from a quick glance at the bar chart
20:47:51 <wendy> concern about use of word "label" - a very charged word
20:49:03 <wendy> use text alternative instead
20:51:00 <wendy> a short text alternative says...a longer description...
20:52:24 <wendy> resolution: Example 2: a data chart. A bar chart compares how many widgets were sold in June, July, and August. A short text alternative says, "Figure one - Bar chart of sales in June, July and August." A longer description identifies the type of chart, provides a high-level summary of the data comparable to that available from the chart, and provides the data in a table 
20:53:04 <wendy> resolution: close issue 1562
20:53:20 <wendy> Issue 1698
20:53:42 <wendy> oops.
20:53:47 <wendy> currently - Issue 1562
20:54:02 <wendy> close issue 1561
20:54:52 <wendy> resolution: Example 8: a traffic Web camera. A Web site allows end-users to select from a variety of Web cameras positioned throughout a major city to monitor traffic conditions. After a camera is selected, the image updates every 2 minutes. A short text alternative identifies the Web camera as, "Web camera view of traffic conditions at the corner of University and Park." The site also...
20:54:53 <wendy> ...provides a table of travel times for each of the routes covered by the Web cameras. The table information can be updated on request.
20:54:57 <wendy> then close issue 1562
20:55:12 <wendy> resolution: Close issue 1698
20:55:19 <wendy> Issue 1703
20:59:26 <ben_> RRSAgent, pointer?
20:59:26 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-irc#T20-59-26
21:00:08 <wendy> resolution: close issue 1703
21:00:17 <wendy> issue 895
21:05:26 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
21:07:32 <wendy> resolution: close issue 895
21:07:47 <wendy> feedback on  Guide to Guideline 3.2 Level 1 Success Criterion 1
21:08:23 <wendy> and guides for 3.2 Level 3 Success Criterion 1 and Guideline 3.2 Level 3 Success Criterion 2 - team a will take that feedback back to the group.
21:13:16 <wendy> "it sounds so jargonistic"
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21:18:26 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
21:18:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
21:19:56 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:19:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Gian_Sampson-Wild,
21:19:59 <Zakim> ... David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, Becky_Gibson
21:27:42 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
21:27:50 <Zakim> -Don_Evans
21:28:22 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:28:24 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
21:28:26 <Zakim> -Wendy
21:28:27 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
21:28:27 <wendy> zakim, bye
21:28:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Don_Evans, Gregg_and_Ben, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Wendy, Roberto_Ellero, Tim_Boland, Sofia_Celic, Bengt_Farre,
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21:28:30 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gian_Sampson-Wild, David_MacDonald, Becky_Gibson
21:28:36 <wendy> RRSAgent, bye
21:28:36 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
21:28:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gian propose rewrite of guideline 1.1 L3 sc 1 [1]
21:28:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/06-wai-wcag-irc#T20-42-35