20:01:57 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
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20:01:59 <rellero> zakim, IPcaller is rellero
20:01:59 <Zakim> +rellero; got it
20:02:01 <LucaMascaro> zakim, Luca_Mascaro is LucaMascaro
20:02:01 <Zakim> +LucaMascaro; got it
20:02:04 <rscano> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano, Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro, Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, rellero, Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:06 <LucaMascaro> zakim, mute me
20:02:07 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:02:08 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:02:18 <rcastaldo> rcastaldo has joined #wai-wcag
20:02:18 <rellero> zakim, rellero is Roberto_Ellero
20:02:18 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:02:27 <rcastaldo> HI folks :)
20:02:28 <gregg> gregg has joined #wai-wcag
20:02:30 <ben_> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:02:34 <LucaMascaro> Hi roberto
20:02:35 <Becky> zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
20:02:35 <Zakim> ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:02:51 <rscano> zakim, mute me
20:02:51 <Zakim> Roberto_Scano should now be muted
20:02:55 <Zakim> +??P12
20:03:09 <rellero> Hi
20:03:15 <rcastaldo> Ciao
20:03:17 <rellero> ciao
20:03:23 <ben_> zakim, who is here
20:03:23 <Zakim> ben_, you need to end that query with '?'
20:03:28 <ben_> zakim, who is here?
20:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano (muted), Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero,
20:03:31 <Zakim> ... Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, ??P12
20:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see gregg, rcastaldo, RRSAgent, Michael, Andi, Christophe, rellero, David, ben_, Zakim, Becky, LucaMascaro, rscano, bengt
20:03:35 <rscano> zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:03:35 <Zakim> +Roberto_Castaldo; got it
20:03:36 <ben_> zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Castaldo
20:03:36 <Zakim> I already had ??P12 as Roberto_Castaldo, ben_
20:03:47 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:04:03 <ben_> zakim, [Microsoft] is Rob_Haverty
20:04:03 <Zakim> +Rob_Haverty; got it
20:04:14 <ben_> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano (muted), Bengt_Farre, LucaMascaro (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Andi, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero,
20:04:18 <Zakim> ... Christophe_Strobbe, Michael_Cooper, Roberto_Castaldo, Rob_Haverty
20:04:48 <rscano> Me thing: this is a "Rob" mania :)
20:05:25 <ben_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0882.html
20:05:34 <ben_> chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:05:56 <ben_> agenda+ Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)
20:06:05 <ben_> agenda+ Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes)
20:06:06 <Zakim> +Doyle_Burnett
20:06:16 <ben_> agenda+ Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes)
20:06:30 <ben_> agenda+ Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes)
20:09:12 <ben_> zakim, Doyle_Burnett is Tim_Boland
20:09:12 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland; got it
20:10:12 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 1
20:10:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Check-in and assignements for next guidelines (15 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
20:10:52 <ben_> scribe: ben_
20:11:32 <ben_> gv: next couple weeks - important to get rough drafts of guide docs and techniques in place before Oct. F2F
20:14:10 <ben_> gv: wiki is also available for use in generating drafts http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/
20:15:21 <ben_> zakim, close this item
20:15:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
20:15:22 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:15:24 <Zakim> 2. Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes) [from ben_]
20:15:27 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:15:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team B: proposals and updates: (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
20:15:58 <ben_> Team B Survey Results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20050928-teamb/results
20:17:23 <ben_> Issue 1446 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1446
20:20:20 <rcastaldo> ok
20:20:23 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
20:20:25 <LucaMascaro> i agree
20:21:50 <rscano> me too
20:22:03 <ben_> resolution: adopt proposed SC as advisory technique to the guide to guideline 3.1. 
20:22:57 <ben_> Issue 1398 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1398
20:23:11 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
20:23:11 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:25:38 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
20:25:38 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:28:30 <ben_> resolution: accept proposed resolution to 1398
20:28:41 <Zakim> -LucaMascaro
20:29:09 <ben_> Issue 1402 - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1402
20:29:21 <Zakim> +??P4
20:29:36 <LucaMascaro> zakim, ?? is LucaMascaro
20:29:36 <Zakim> +LucaMascaro; got it
20:29:40 <LucaMascaro> zakim, mute me
20:29:40 <Zakim> LucaMascaro should now be muted
20:31:53 <gregg> ack l
20:31:59 <gregg> ack t
20:37:40 <Christophe> q+
20:40:17 <Christophe> q-
20:42:13 <ben_> action: team b to address christophe's issue (a.m., e.g., i.e, and other latin expansions aren't typicall meaningful to the user)
20:42:56 <ben_> resolution: close 1402
20:43:06 <ben_> resolution: close 1403 and 814
20:43:17 <ben_> resolution: close 1405
20:44:17 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
20:44:17 <ben_> resolution: close 1448 (change "YOUR OWN" to "the language of the delivery unit)
20:44:53 <ben_> s/typicall/typically
20:45:05 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1551
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20:45:48 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1566
20:49:34 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
20:53:31 <Andi> q+
20:53:49 <bengt> my response was actually that I dont agree with the reviewers, and the burden on the authors are justified to link to some dictionary.
20:53:58 <ben_> q- alex
20:54:01 <ben_> ack andi
20:57:07 <bengt> gregg, refresh results I clicked on wron item ;)
20:59:53 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1628 once benefits and intent for these SC are cleaned up
21:01:44 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
21:01:44 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
21:01:51 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1629
21:02:20 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1712
21:02:46 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
21:02:46 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:04:10 <ben_> action: becky to incorporate Christophe's comments related to abbr and IE into guide doc draft
21:04:19 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1745
21:04:35 <ben_> resolution: close issue 495
21:04:48 <ben_> resolution: close issue 853
21:05:06 <ben_> zakim, close this item
21:05:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
21:05:07 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:05:08 <Zakim> 3. Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes) [from ben_]
21:05:26 <ben_> Team C survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamc-2/results
21:05:36 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 3
21:05:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Team C: proposals and updates (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
21:07:47 <ben_> discussing: proposed definition of "input error"
21:10:46 <ben_> resolution: define "input error" as: Any information provided by the user that is not accepted by the content or server. This includes: 
21:10:46 <ben_>      * information that is required but omitted by the user. 
21:10:46 <ben_>     * information that is provided by the user but that falls outside the required data format or values. 
21:11:48 <ben_> discussing: guide doc draft for 2.5 L2 SC1 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/att-0060/Guide_to_Guideline_2_5_Level_2_Success_Criterion_1.htm
21:12:58 <ben_> gv: general comments - techniques must have "ing" form -- can't use the word "must" (or any imperatives) in guide docs or techniques
21:17:30 <ben_> action: team c to consider survey comments and revise draft as needed
21:17:37 <ben_> zakim, close this item
21:17:37 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
21:17:38 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
21:17:40 <Zakim> 4. Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes) [from ben_]
21:17:42 <ben_> zakim, take up agendum 4
21:17:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Team A: proposals and updates (30 minutes)" taken up [from ben_]
21:17:59 <ben_> Team A survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/3-2-issues-teama/
21:18:32 <ben_> oops - results are: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/3-2-issues-teama/results
21:20:25 <ben_> discussing: revisions to L3 SC1 and issues 1517, 1571, 1411, 744
21:23:14 <ben_> ack alex
21:32:59 <ben_> resolution: revise 3.2 L3 SC1 to read, "06Non-text content that appears on multiple delivery units and has the same function has consistent text alternatives.01"
21:33:25 <rcastaldo> Folks, I've got to leave the call, I'm sorry
21:33:28 <ben_> ... and close issues 1517, 1571, 1411 and 744
21:33:32 <rcastaldo> Bye everybody
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21:33:44 <Zakim> -Roberto_Castaldo
21:34:40 <ben_> discussing: definition of "focus"
21:35:47 <ben_> Andi proposes: "The component where input is being directed."
21:36:50 <Becky> q+
21:37:26 <Becky> q-
21:37:39 <bengt> mostly it is written "input focus"
21:37:59 <bengt> because there can be different focus
21:38:24 <Zakim> -Rob_Haverty
21:38:26 <Zakim> -LucaMascaro
21:39:04 <bengt> q+  use wording input focus
21:39:11 <bengt> q+  to say use wording input focus
21:40:16 <bengt> q-
21:44:20 <ben_> resolution: do not define "focus" 
21:44:54 <ben_> resolution: accept revised definition of  "change of context" and close issues 1568 and 1569?
21:46:10 <ben_> resolution: close issues 1172, 1408, 1747, 931, 1410, 1458, 1510, 1716 and 1413 (all had unanimous survey results) 
21:49:17 <ben_> resolution: close issues 767 and 496 (with pointer to resolution to remove this SC from the guidelines in rationale)
21:52:10 <Andi> q+
21:52:37 <ben_> ack andi
22:02:05 <Zakim> -Andi
22:02:50 <ben_> resolution: close issue 1570 and reorder 3.2 L2 SC #1 and #2
22:03:00 <ben_> zakim, close this item
22:03:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
22:03:01 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
22:04:17 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:04:50 <ben_> assignments: Team A = 1.1, Team B = 1.2, Team C = 4.2
22:05:04 <ben_> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:05:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
22:05:21 <ben_> rrsagent, make log world
22:06:05 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:06:12 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
22:06:13 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:06:14 <Zakim> -Gregg_and_Ben
22:06:14 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:06:16 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:06:20 <ben_> zakim, bye
22:06:20 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Roberto_Scano, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_and_Ben, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, Andi, Christophe_Strobbe,
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22:07:15 <ben_> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:07:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben_
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