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21:55:17 <Michael> rrsagent, make log world
21:55:21 <Michael> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/0057.html
21:55:38 <Michael> meeting: WCAG Team C Teleconference
21:55:41 <Michael> chair: Michael Cooper
21:56:12 <Sofia> Sofia has joined #wcag-teamc
21:56:39 <Michael> regrets: Makoto_Ueki, Takayuki_Watanabe, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:57:05 <Michael> agenda+ Guide doc for L2 SC 1
21:57:14 <Michael> agenda+ Guide doc for L2 SC 2
21:57:20 <Michael> agenda+ Guide doc for L3 SC 1
21:57:32 <Michael> agenda+ Definition of input error
21:57:34 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG3)6:00PM has now started
21:57:40 <Zakim> +??P1
21:57:45 <Michael> agenda+ Look at Wiki
21:57:55 <Michael> agenda+ Review outstanding action items
22:00:48 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
22:01:15 <Michael> zakim, ??P1 is Sophia_Celic
22:01:15 <Zakim> +Sophia_Celic; got it
22:01:47 <Michael> zakim, Sophia is Sofia_Celic
22:01:47 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic; got it
22:05:20 <Michael> regrets+ Gian_Sampson-Wild
22:05:36 <Zakim> +Neil_Soiffer
22:06:10 <Michael> zakim, Neil is Gian_Sampson-Wild
22:06:10 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
22:06:30 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
22:15:00 <Michael> zakim, take up item 1
22:15:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Guide doc for L2 SC 1" taken up [from Michael]
22:15:07 <Michael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/att-0027/Guide_to_Guideline_2_5_Level_2_Success_Criterion_1.htm
22:16:01 <Michael> discussion of whether to remove SC (covered by other guidelines?)
22:16:14 <Michael> scribe: Michael
22:18:07 <Michael> but we think there is reason to keep this - making clear reason for identification of error (not just that there was one)
22:18:43 <Andi> Andi has joined #wcag-teamc
22:18:55 <Michael> could have techniques that identification of error can be in label or in list of errors at top of doc (optional)
22:23:40 <Michael> action: Andi send updated draft of guide to L2 SC 1
22:24:14 <Michael> zakim, next item
22:24:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Guide doc for L2 SC 2" taken up [from Michael]
22:24:15 <Michael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/att-0054/guidedoc2.htm
22:25:20 <Michael> need to discuss when Tim is on the call to clarify
22:25:27 <Michael> zakim, next item
22:25:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Guide doc for L3 SC 1" taken up [from Michael]
22:25:38 <Michael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-teamc/2005Sep/att-0040/GL25_L3_SC1_guide-doc.html
22:27:46 <Michael> let's delete the "user needs it is intended to address" paragraph in favour of benefits
22:28:49 <Michael> feels like we're missing a SC about providing instructions
22:28:57 <Michael> came up at Brussels, declared usability?
22:29:44 <Michael> not sure - example of date format, could person with cognitive disability have difficult if expected format isn't their national one?
22:29:50 <Michael> but everyone needs that too
22:30:45 <Michael> the "additional ... assistance" part covers what that would be though
22:31:52 <Michael> question of what additional is additional to
22:32:59 <Michael> Situation C isn't context-relevant help
22:34:34 <Michael> might go into an Operable SC
22:34:48 <Michael> keyboard operability
22:36:00 <Michael> put in boneyard for now...
22:40:08 <Michael> is this usability? ... but lots of Level 3 items push that line
22:41:40 <Michael> this survived the axe at Brussels - but may have been because of WCAG 1 requirement about spell checking
22:42:56 <Michael> are we restricted to "input error"?
22:43:19 <Michael> stuff from Harvest about understandable 404s might fall under this guideline
22:44:40 <Michael> action: Sophia propose issues from Harvest on list to discuss
22:45:41 <Sofia> Techniques harvest document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-tech-harvest.html
22:46:34 <Michael> zakim, next item
22:46:34 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Definition of input error" taken up [from Michael]
22:47:53 <Michael> http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_2.5#Glossary
22:48:52 <Michael> avoid Web site or delivery unit language - we all like it, will it work in other languages?
22:49:09 <Michael> clarification: we like avoiding that rats nest
22:49:58 <Michael> resolution: go to survey on this
22:50:11 <Michael> zakim, next item
22:50:11 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Look at Wiki" taken up [from Michael]
22:53:27 <Michael> Team C Wiki: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Team_C
22:54:03 <Michael> also look at Team A's wiki: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Guideline_3.2
22:55:52 <Michael> zakim, next item
22:55:52 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Review outstanding action items" taken up [from Michael]
22:56:21 <Michael> resolution: action at http://www.w3.org/2005/09/08-wcag-teamc-minutes.html#action03 no longer a high enough priority
23:06:10 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
23:06:12 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:06:15 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
23:06:17 <Zakim> -Gian_Sampson-Wild
23:06:18 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG3)6:00PM has ended
23:06:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Sophia_Celic, Sofia_Celic, Neil_Soiffer, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:06:28 <Andi> Andi has left #wcag-teamc
23:06:30 <Michael> zakim, bye
23:06:30 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wcag-teamc
23:06:35 <Michael> rrsagent, generate minutes
23:06:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/26-wcag-teamc-minutes.html Michael
23:15:43 <Michael> rrsagent, bye
23:15:43 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/26-wcag-teamc-actions.rdf :
23:15:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andi send updated draft of guide to L2 SC 1 [1]
23:15:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/26-wcag-teamc-irc#T22-23-40
23:15:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sophia propose issues from Harvest on list to discuss [2]
23:15:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/26-wcag-teamc-irc#T22-44-40