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13:56:35 <ben> RRSAgent, off
13:59:28 <ben> Chair: Michael_Cooper
13:59:33 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0713.html
14:00:32 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
14:00:38 <ben> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-minutes.html ben
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14:01:30 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:01:42 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Techniques Task Force Weekly Telecon
14:01:51 <ben> RRSAgent, off
14:06:39 <ben> agenda?
14:07:36 <Michael> regrets: Becky Gibson, John Slatin
14:08:29 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Complete the prioritization of techniques harvesting" taken up [from ben]
14:08:47 <ben> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-tech-harvest.html
14:08:56 <ben> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-tech-harvest-by-tech.html
14:09:07 <Michael> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0713.html
14:09:54 <Zakim> +??P22
14:10:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:10:20 <Michael> scribe: Tim
14:10:44 <Michael> zakim, Microsoft is Rob_Haverty
14:10:44 <Zakim> +Rob_Haverty; got it
14:10:49 <Michael> zakim, ??P22 is Lisa_Seeman
14:10:49 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
14:11:42 <Tim> mc: prioritize high medium low
14:12:42 <Tim> mc: General first take in order
14:13:41 <Tim> What is a good alt. For functional non-text content simple ex calculator 
14:13:50 <Tim> this one is high priority
14:14:23 <Tim> What captions are and audio description are how to provide them
14:15:00 <Tim> high priority
14:15:16 <Tim> Need to provide information about caption formats that can be used
14:15:57 <Tim> high priority
14:16:14 <Tim> Include discussion of open captioned format alongside non-captioned
14:17:20 <Zakim> +Matt_May
14:17:20 <Tim> high priority
14:17:35 <Tim> Describe audio descriptions and how to create them
14:18:18 <Tim> marked as duplicate
14:18:32 <Tim> Techniques for switching audio tracks
14:19:01 <Tim> low priority
14:19:15 <Tim> ADI guidelines for AD - http://adinternational.org/adiguidelines.HTML
14:19:35 <Tim> marked as resource
14:19:57 <Tim> Time shifting 
14:21:46 <Tim> medium priority
14:21:59 <Tim> Streaming captions: http://www.captioncolorado.com/products/internet.HTML 
14:22:07 <Tim> high priority
14:22:17 <Tim> Captions being provided in a separate window 
14:22:33 <Tim> medium priority
14:22:47 <Tim> Could also talk about open captions
14:23:42 <Tim> high priority, but a duplicate
14:23:57 <Tim> Providing sign language video e.g., vcom 3d http://www.vcom3d.com/
14:24:57 <Tim> medium for this one
14:25:09 <Tim> Get rnid to provide techniques
14:25:12 <Tim> high
14:25:23 <Tim> Techniques for where to position 
14:25:41 <Tim> medium or low?
14:25:53 <Tim> mc: skip next two just resources
14:26:15 <Tim> John Slatin's performance where the audio description was scripted but done "live" 
14:27:07 <Tim> medium
14:27:23 <Tim> two resources mentioned previously are high priority 
14:27:51 <Tim> Radio describes - that's why lots of people listen to the radio and watch at the same time
14:29:14 <Tim> medium
14:29:29 <Tim> Relationship between caption/audio description and multimedia 
14:31:30 <Tim> medium priority
14:31:54 <Tim> mc: previous tech should be mapped to 1.2L3SC3 
14:32:13 <Tim> Asterisk near required field instead of just making it red 
14:32:41 <Tim> high priority
14:33:02 <Tim> Color for headings
14:36:13 <Tim> low priority
14:37:06 <Tim> mc: ACTION ls send proposal to list about missing SC around visual pres of structure
14:37:27 <Tim> Encoding color so that it can be programmatically determined: have to specify it a certain way so that ats can pick it up
14:38:58 <Tim> medium but technology-specific
14:39:14 <Tim> Indicating correct and incorrect
14:40:25 <Tim> high priority 
14:40:36 <Tim> Choosing technologies whose players expose text attributes to AT
14:42:40 <Tim> kill
14:42:54 <Tim> Sequences between delivery units 
14:44:04 <Tim> medium
14:44:41 <Tim> (only general)
14:44:50 <Tim> high priority
14:45:03 <Tim> (general techniques)
14:45:11 <Tim> high priority
14:46:17 <Tim> Provide links to tools to evaluate
14:46:37 <Tim> medium
14:46:48 <Tim> Strategy for measuring 
14:47:07 <Tim> high priority
14:47:19 <Tim> Keyboard access to controls used in mapping programs 
14:48:41 <Tim> marked as example for Guide
14:49:03 <Tim> Show time remaining
14:49:47 <Tim> low priority
14:49:58 <Tim> Creating a time out with a way to turn it off
14:50:00 <Tim> high priority
14:50:11 <Tim> Pausing multimedia 
14:50:18 <Tim> medium or low
14:50:29 <Tim> Design content without requiring timing 
14:50:33 <Tim> high priority
14:50:45 <Tim> Address online testing 
14:51:27 <Tim> high priority
14:51:40 <Tim> Turning things off
14:52:09 <Tim> medium and technology-specific
14:52:23 <Tim> How to provide a good warning and using entry pages (issues around controlling path users use to get to a page)
14:54:04 <Tim> mc: this one plus next six are marked as high priority
14:54:50 <Tim> Linking to related content 
14:56:11 <Tim> high priority
14:56:37 <Tim> mc: next three are all high priority
14:56:55 <Zakim> -Chris_Ridpath
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14:57:06 <Tim> Hide repeated content
14:58:09 <Tim> low priority
14:58:19 <Tim> Writing a good title 
14:58:21 <Tim> high priority
14:58:39 <Tim> Titles being unique?
14:58:44 <Tim> low priority
14:59:41 <Tim> Breadcrumb navigation 
15:01:56 <Tim> medium priority
15:02:11 <Tim> Navbars showing location (new technique)
15:02:19 <Tim> high priority
15:02:34 <Tim> Using icons and color to differentiate sections of a site
15:03:24 <Tim> medium
15:03:37 <Tim> Negative technique around breaking the back button? 
15:04:52 <Tim> low priority but good advice
15:05:17 <Tim> Using different colors on visited vs. Unvisited links
15:05:48 <Tim> low priority but good advice
15:06:04 <Tim> Validation of credit card formats 
15:07:37 <Tim> example for guide but new technique needed validating form fields which would be high
15:08:19 <Tim> Writing understandable 401 or 404 pages 
15:08:35 <Tim> medium
15:09:31 <Tim> Provide a guess when desired page is not found "smart 404"
15:09:31 <Tim> medium
15:10:27 <Tim> Google "did you mean" example
15:11:08 <Tim> medium
15:11:19 <Tim> Provide a list of words that are similar 
15:11:24 <Tim> medium
15:11:35 <Tim> Type 3 letters and provide a list of choices that begin with those letters 
15:11:36 <Tim> medium
15:11:50 <Tim> Use soundex codes
15:11:51 <Tim> medium
15:12:07 <Tim> Google suggest? Http://www.google.com/webhp?Complete=1&hl=en
15:12:13 <Tim> medium
15:12:34 <Tim> Show similar search results/matches 
15:12:36 <Tim> also medium
15:12:45 <Tim> In page link from error message to field with the error
15:12:48 <Tim> high priority
15:13:07 <Tim> A featured link in amazon?
15:13:11 <Tim> kill
15:13:21 <Tim> Query enhancements 
15:13:23 <Tim> medium
15:13:37 <Tim> Dividing processes into steps and allowing forward and backward nav.
15:13:39 <Tim> high priority
15:13:53 <Tim> Return a new form with only the incorrect fields available
15:14:04 <Tim> medium
15:14:31 <Tim> Programmatically provide supplemental information - tooltips with additional info or help
15:14:50 <Tim> mc: should be mapped to 2.5L3SC1
15:15:27 <Tim> high priority 
15:15:38 <Tim> Confirmation window opens to show user action has completed
15:15:51 <Tim> high priority
15:16:08 <Tim> Provide spell checking
15:16:11 <Tim> medium
15:16:20 <Tim> Help bubbles
15:16:28 <Tim> medium
15:17:33 <Tim> change medium to high 
15:17:42 <Tim> Tooltips using title 
15:17:43 <Zakim> -Wendy
15:20:11 <Tim> marked as medium and awaiting proposal from Lisa
15:20:26 <Tim> Do not use same words or letter combinations to begin each item of the list 
15:21:41 <Tim> medium but should map to Guideline 3.1
15:22:00 <Tim> Providing help link on every page
15:22:57 <Tim> high priority but should map to Guideline 3.1
15:23:12 <Tim> (annoying) assistant in the corner of the page 
15:23:27 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
15:23:50 <Tim> low priority
15:24:02 <Tim> How to use templates - put language in just once in the template. This could also be used in many other areas
15:24:55 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman
15:25:04 <Tim> high priority but should map to Guideline 3.1
15:25:14 <Tim> Provide definitions via bubble help 
15:26:00 <Tim> high priority
15:26:10 <Tim> Provide hyperlinks to relevant online dictionaries
15:26:27 <Tim> medium
15:26:38 <Tim> Internal linking 
15:26:53 <Tim> high priority 
15:27:08 <Tim> Expanded form presented first time it is used and acronym is presented in parends after - then use acronym in subsequent references 
15:27:39 <Tim> high priority
15:27:51 <Tim> Provide search engine to look up
15:28:09 <Tim> low priority
15:28:17 <Tim> How to mark up section titles 
15:29:27 <Tim> high priority
15:29:37 <Tim> How to write descriptive titles 
15:29:39 <Tim> high priority
15:30:12 <Tim> Recommendations on how to provide the alternatives
15:30:16 <Tim> high priority
15:30:32 <Tim> Front load the document - make first paragraph the summary
15:32:12 <Tim> medium
15:32:23 <Tim> Make sure spoken version of text content is not started automatically in the background or only at the user's request 
15:33:18 <Tim> high priority in "seealso" sense
15:33:31 <Tim> General tech about introducing subitems to clarify allowed
15:34:00 <Tim> high priority
15:34:18 <Tim> Change of context - a change of user agent, viewport, user interface controls, or focus; or complete change of content.
15:34:23 <Tim> high priority
15:34:55 <Tim> This is more about generating the page rather than fixing later. Perhaps general technique "just do it..." 
15:36:14 <Tim> high priority for the Guide
15:36:33 <Tim> Test - if a graphic is associated with different uris on different pages, flag them and determine if differences make sense. If not, make consistent. 
15:37:04 <Tim> kill as tech but useful as test
15:37:18 <Tim> No automatic refreshes, at all.
15:37:34 <Tim> high priority
15:37:47 <Tim> Navigating around page, shouldn't cause change of context (e.g., pop-ups). However, this meant to mean "only by user request."
15:37:59 <Tim> high priority
15:38:09 <Tim> Changes of user agent
15:38:12 <Tim> also high priority
15:38:22 <Tim> Change in user interface control?
15:38:46 <Tim> high priority
15:39:03 <Tim> Links to alternatives (concern about these and cyberghetto)
15:39:06 <Tim> high priority
15:39:19 <Tim> Keyboard handling 
15:39:24 <Tim> high priority
15:39:37 <Tim> Not trapping keyboard 
15:39:40 <Tim> high priority
15:39:59 <Tim> "hit x to return to previous page" covered by "must be able to use w/keyboard" 
15:40:05 <Tim> marked as duplicate
15:40:13 <Tim> Getting trapped in a plug-in 
15:40:17 <Tim> marked as duplicate
15:40:27 <Tim> Can never use contenteditable? Should document workarounds/games/kludges related to
15:41:03 <Tim> medium
15:41:18 <Tim> There are techniques but can't validate right now and don't have spec *yet*
15:41:47 <ben> zakim, who is here?
15:41:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Ben_Caldwell, Rob_Haverty, Matt_May, Lisa_Seeman
15:41:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Michael, wendy, Tim, RRSAgent, Christophe_S, Zakim, ben, leasa
15:41:51 <Tim> low priority and technology-specific
15:42:27 <Tim> However, if use elements semantically correctly would satisfy to best of ability. Also, in some techs (flash) don't' you have to do for info to get passed through?
15:46:25 <Tim> change "low priority and tech specific" previous to "hold" for prev tech
15:47:15 <Tim> Also "hold" for "However, if use.. tech 
15:47:30 <Tim> Concern that people creating UI elements with a and div and is that not using the elements semantically correctly
15:47:52 <Tim> high priority but HTML-specific
15:48:07 <Tim> Issue - is it possible to meet the strict interpretation of this in HTML? If not, what is the intent? Can we meet the intent with other wording?
15:48:15 <Tim> kill as technique
15:48:25 <Tim> Point to external documentation that explains/shows
15:49:02 <Tim> kill
15:49:14 <Tim> Redundant with using accessibility conventions? No - if use accessibility features, get for free. If not, need to do the things in L1 SC6
15:49:27 <Tim> kill as technique
15:49:39 <Tim> People interpret this to mean that they have to use all accessibility features (e.g., accesskey, tabindex) that not necessarily the case
15:50:30 <Tim> high priority for Guide Document
15:50:43 <Tim> Document the user agent issue where accessibility features are not supported or supported inconsistently
15:51:36 <Tim> kill as technique but discuss in other relevant techniques
15:52:22 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:52:23 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
15:52:24 <Zakim> -Rob_Haverty
15:52:25 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
15:52:27 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
15:52:29 <Zakim> -Matt_May
15:52:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
15:52:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Don_Evans, Tim_Boland, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Chris_Ridpath, Ben_Caldwell, Wendy, Rob_Haverty, Lisa_Seeman, Matt_May
15:52:44 <Michael> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:52:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-minutes.html Michael
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15:54:37 <Michael> action: ls send proposal to list about missing SC around visual pres of structure
15:55:16 <Michael> action: michael updated harvesting documents with these prioritizations
15:55:20 <Michael> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:55:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-minutes.html Michael
16:00:26 <Michael> rrsagent, bye
16:00:26 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
16:00:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ls send proposal to list about missing SC around visual pres of structure [1]
16:00:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T15-54-37
16:00:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michael updated harvesting documents with these prioritizations [2]
16:00:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T15-55-16