would help - low priority. 14:46:38 Headers - repeated under passing blocks of content - low priority. 14:46:54 Tables - low priority. really low? 14:47:09 note: not encouraged 14:48:18 Use spacer gif in link text so that it is not visible where alt for spacer gif gives additional clarification - becky: put it pretty low. Ben: we might want to talk about it. Maybe give it a medium priority. 14:50:11 there is some discussion on this, we may want to move this to high priority. Becky: We may want to propose this as a new techinque. 14:50:55 discuss title vs alt as a new techinque - high priority. 14:51:02 still medium on spacer gif. 14:52:54 For image maps, area element should exist in source code in reasonable order - David: is reasonable measurable? This may be a useful thing, but would be at mediom at best. 14:54:15 HTML forms, if multiple submit buttons, be sure the first one is the one you want to be default - becky: Medium to high priority. Not sure how to write the technique. 14:54:20 call it medium 14:55:14 Use of element - existing 14:56:52 Text directionality - High priority 14:57:43 Use of meta tag with content-language - not lang attr - don't know if supported - Michael proposes medium - it needs investigation. 14:59:00 What to do if specify more than one language in header? - low priority. 15:00:40 - Medium Priority 15:02:04 Definition lists - kill. 15:02:51 Need an alternative to "target" since not allowed in strict HTML - high priority 15:04:31 Need an alternative to "target" since not allowed in strict HTML - High Priority. The violation of this is happening more and more. It is going to be a more of an issue with Ajax. 15:05:32 On leaving a data field - Kinda High Priority. 15:05:59 two techniques, more script then html and it's hight 15:06:31 Use links to cause page to refresh instead of automatic refresh - Medium 15:07:20 noframes, noscript - under 4.2 providing fall backs if outside your base line - David: high priority if not in base line. We do have techniques. 15:09:54 Fallback mechanism for applets (if applet not in baseline) need alternative mechanism for functionality - sounds like a general technique - this is saying you need functional fallback. Michael: this is hight priority. Becky: do you need a link to another page? It does effect the success of the base line. High Priority. Not sure where it goes, we do need to say something. David says maybe in HTML. 15:10:52 Label element for most controls, alt for image input, value for most buttons, text for button element - Existing may need to add one or two things. 15:11:33 "Creating Invisible labels for form elements" is mapped here. Should remap to L1SC4 - in css - controversial - existing in css 15:12:04 I can hear good 15:12:28 scribe: David_MacDonald 15:13:06 thanks for scribing don! 15:14:38 Using images as list item bullets (removed?) (1.1 L1 SC4) - should be in HTML to direct to css - medium 15:15:52 Background images are being used freq now for decorative images (1.1 L1 SC4) - high with a note telling dif btwn decorative and non decorative 15:17:43 Use CSS for non-essential background audio (1.1 L1 SC4) - medium 15:18:32 # Positioning, styling (1.3 L1 SC1) - existing - low 15:19:37 # Not using CSS as the only way to indicate a blockquote (1.3 L2 SC1) - kill!!!!! 15:19:54 covered in html 15:21:07 Don't put stuff out of sequence (1.3 L3 SC1) - medium - shawn has interesting input 15:21:32 maybe a high priority 15:22:52 bob eastonm - get him to put it up 15:23:08 s/eastonm easton 15:23:33 put it up - encourage people to provide solutions 15:24:38 -??P16 15:24:52 For background images and colors (1.4 L1 SC1) - layered divs - medium 15:25:12 Layered divs (1.4 L1 SC1) - high 15:25:37 Using foreground and background colors (1.4 L3 SC1) - medium 15:26:01 its about what code you use to make colors like bg transparent etc 15:26:21 -Don_Evans 15:26:24 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-CSS-TECHS/#colors-backgrounds 15:29:04 Switch between using animated vs. Static images (2.2 L2 SC1) - kill 15:29:28 wc: maybe Yvette has a technique 15:30:57 wc: if so let her submit, she may be in the group for that, if so she's welcome to do it 15:31:24 # Foreground/background issues (2.3 L3 SC1) - kill for css 15:33:55 Allow keyboard users to view skip links (2.4 L2 SC2) - wendy says wai site blends in that area but does not hide it, might be a technique - high 15:34:49 # Negative technique around illogical HTML source order corrected by CSS (2.4 L3 SC1) - kill 15:35:39 Make sure people notice the text summary by using diff. Presentation style (3.1 L3 SC5) - low 15:37:19 CSS inherit w/inherit property children will accept computed value of parent (3.2 L1 SC1) - medium - if you do it things will be more consistency 15:39:07 # CSS about indenting text. Not properly mapped. 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