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19:57:21 <wendy> RRSAgent, make log world
19:58:08 <wendy> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0456.html
19:58:20 <wendy> agenda+ TTF update
19:58:53 <wendy> agenda+ wcag 1.0 p2 mapping - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping2/results
19:59:13 <wendy> agenda+ wcag 2.0 p3 mapping http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/p3mapping/results
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19:59:27 <wendy> agenda+ planning 
20:00:06 <Zakim> +??P0
20:00:23 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
20:00:33 <Zakim> +??P3
20:00:49 <bengt> zakim, ??P3 is Bengt_Farre
20:00:49 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
20:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.650.687.aaaa
20:01:09 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:01:17 <Zakim> +Matt_May
20:01:21 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
20:01:25 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], ??P0, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, +1.650.687.aaaa, Wendy, Matt_May
20:01:35 <wendy> zakim, [Microsoft] is Rob_Haverty
20:01:35 <Zakim> +Rob_Haverty; got it
20:01:37 <Zakim> +??P7
20:01:41 <ben> zakim, ??P7 is Ben
20:01:41 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
20:01:42 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
20:01:51 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rob_Haverty, ??P0, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, +1.650.687.aaaa, Wendy, Matt_May, Ben, John_Slatin
20:02:09 <Zakim> +Diane_Stottlemyer
20:02:11 <Andi> Zakim hung up on me
20:02:31 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:34 <wendy> zakim, +1.650.687.aaaa is Gian
20:02:34 <Zakim> +Gian; got it
20:02:48 <wendy> zakim, Gian is Alex
20:02:48 <Zakim> +Alex; got it
20:02:55 <wendy> zakim, ??P0 is Gian
20:02:55 <Zakim> +Gian; got it
20:02:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:03:10 <wendy> zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
20:03:10 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
20:03:21 <wendy> zakim, Gian is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:03:21 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:03:28 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
20:03:48 <Becky> Becky has joined #wai-wcag
20:04:18 <wendy> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rob_Haverty, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Alex, Wendy, Matt_May, Ben, John_Slatin, Diane_Stottlemyer, Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow-Weaver,
20:04:22 <Zakim> ... Becky_Gibson
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20:05:46 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:08:12 <wendy> scribe: wendy
20:08:18 <wendy> chair: John
20:09:14 <wendy> zakim, take up item 1
20:09:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TTF update" taken up [from wendy]
20:09:32 <wendy> 1. proposal for script techniques
20:09:39 <wendy> (from becky)
20:10:42 <Zakim> +Sophia_Celic
20:10:53 <wendy> zakim, Sophia_Celic is Sofia_Celic
20:10:53 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic; got it
20:11:11 <wendy> 3. reviewing test cases
20:11:22 <wendy> closed some tests, but not all.
20:11:57 <wendy> 4. responding to al's message re: hotkeys
20:12:46 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:13:09 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:14:39 <wendy> action: john, wendy, gregg discuss relationship between test cases and relationship to success criteria in prep for agenda next week
20:15:02 <wendy> zakim, next item
20:15:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "wcag 1.0 p2 mapping - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/mapping2/results" taken up [from wendy]
20:16:25 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 13.3
20:19:00 <wendy> resolution: keep WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 13.3 mapped to WCAG 2.0 Guideline 2.4 Level 2 Success Criterion #1
20:19:32 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.1
20:21:19 <wendy> one suggestion to map to a Level 1 criterion, need to understand if now required at Level 1
20:23:09 <Zakim> +??P14
20:23:53 <wendy> resolution: keep WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.1 mapped to WCAG 2.0 Guideline 3.2 (2 level 2 success criteria and one level 3 SC) [e.g., no change]
20:24:47 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.4
20:25:22 <wendy> zakim, ??P14 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
20:25:22 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
20:26:05 <wendy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2005JulSep/0148.html
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20:26:45 <wendy> resolution: deprecate (per proposal, no change) WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.4
20:27:02 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.3
20:27:57 <Zakim> -Diane_Stottlemyer
20:28:12 <wendy> map not want to deprecate, but say "no longer required for conformance"
20:28:18 <wendy> s/map/may
20:29:03 <Christophe> q+
20:29:30 <wendy> from 04 august minutes: resolution: use "deprecated" for things we don't want people to do anymore and "not required" for things that WCAG 2.0 does not require for conformance, but may still appear in advisory
20:30:10 <wendy> HTML defn of deprecated: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/conform.html#deprecated
20:30:34 <ben> ack Chri
20:30:59 <wendy> resolution: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.3 no longer required for conformance
20:31:45 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 7.5
20:32:08 <wendy> 2.2 (per proposal) or 3.2 (per comments)
20:33:06 <wendy> related action item: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0296.html
20:34:24 <wendy> "So it appears that most redirects are not covered by GL 2.2, and that  auto-redirect without a timeout is covered by GL 3.2 L1 SC1."
20:36:48 <wendy> map to both w/note that says "redirects w/timeout 2.2 applies, w/out timeout 3.2 applies"
20:39:52 <wendy> restriction not to do it maps to level 3, detecting maps to level 1
20:44:20 <wendy> resolution: map WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 7.5 to WCAG 2.0 GL 3.2 L3 SC2
20:44:49 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 11.1
20:46:49 <Christophe> q+
20:48:00 <wendy> proposal - no longer required for conformance, refer to discussion about baseline and how to determine what falls in/out of baseline
20:48:02 <wendy> ack chri
20:48:44 <wendy> ack alex
20:49:48 <wendy> resolution: mark WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 11.1 as "no longer required for conformance" and note about advice to authors about choosing appropriate technologies as related to baseline
20:50:06 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.3
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20:53:21 <wendy> resolution: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.3 is no longer required for conformance, map to 3.1 advisory information (in the guide doc) - good practice encourage people to do as appropriate
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20:54:38 <gregg> im not here - just signing in.  will join when i can adjourn my other meeting
20:54:45 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 13.2
20:55:19 <Michael> q+ to discuss purpose of the metadata
20:57:48 <Michael> ack m
20:57:48 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper, you wanted to discuss purpose of the metadata
21:00:01 <wendy> resolution: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 13.2 no longer required for conformance, could be a technique for satisfying a 2.4 criteria, 4.2 criteria, or 1.3 criteria
21:01:29 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.2
21:02:27 <Zakim> -Rob_Haverty
21:03:58 <wendy> discussion about use of title to describe relationships between frames
21:04:18 <wendy> cncern about author's feeling they need to use longdesc (on frames)
21:04:47 <wendy> proposal 1.3 and 2.4
21:05:51 <wendy> title is a separate wcag 1.0 checkpoint
21:07:30 <wendy> resolution: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 12.2 no longer required for conformance (because longdesc on frame has not been supported and is likely to disappear from spec)
21:09:24 <Kesh> scribing ....
21:09:32 <wendy> scribe: kerstin
21:09:43 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.2
21:10:40 <Kesh> 3 people map to guideline 1.3, no sc, or 2.4 
21:10:55 <Kesh> 2 people guideline 1.3, l3, sc 1
21:11:25 <wendy> ack gi
21:16:51 <ben> ack John
21:17:20 <wendy> q+
21:17:54 <ben> ack Gian
21:18:12 <wendy> q-
21:18:12 <ben> ack wendy
21:18:15 <ben> ack Lor
21:20:59 <Kesh> proposal -- this is no longer required, but maybe new sc needed in 2.0 for positioning for magn. and cogn.
21:21:54 <Kesh> how do I put in an action item?
21:22:34 <wendy> action: gian, alex, andi work on proposal for implicit labels and positioning of labels (as relates to WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.2)
21:22:43 <Kesh> thanks
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21:23:20 <Kesh> Resolution: no resolution, pending action item recorded
21:23:26 <wendy> TOpic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 7.3
21:29:51 <Kesh> Resolution: map checkpoint 7.3 to checkpoint 2.2, L2, SC 2 (Note: until user agents clause has been satisfied, so it's no long necessary to avoid movement altogether, as long as authors don't do anything to interfere with the user's ability to pause the content)
21:30:20 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 8.1
21:31:32 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:33:34 <Kesh> Resolution: map checkpoint 8.1 to guideline 4.2, all of Level 1
21:33:42 <wendy> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.5
21:34:22 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:34:30 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:50:50 <Kesh> Proposal -- no longer required, since tables pulled apart from rest of content/context, should not have to make sense on their won  -- Gregg
21:51:00 <Kesh> Proposal -- no longer required, since tables pulled apart from rest of content/context, should not have to make sense on their own  -- Gregg
21:52:33 <Kesh> resolution: wcag 1.0 checkpoint 5.5 is "no longer required for conformance"
21:54:26 <Kesh> Topic WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.6
21:55:18 <Kesh> Topic: WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.6
21:57:07 <Kesh> Resolution: checkpoint 5.6 "no longer required for conformance" but a potentially useful technique
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21:59:15 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
21:59:17 <Zakim> -Wendy
21:59:18 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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21:59:20 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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21:59:28 <Zakim> -John_Slatin
21:59:30 <Zakim> -Gian_Sampson-Wild
21:59:32 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:59:34 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
21:59:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Wendy, Matt_May, Rob_Haverty, Ben, John_Slatin, Diane_Stottlemyer, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gian_Sampson-Wild,
21:59:39 <Zakim> ... Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sofia_Celic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kerstin_Goldsmith
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22:03:20 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:03:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:05:44 <wendy> Meeting: WCAG WG telecon
22:08:12 <wendy> regrets: Roberto Ellero, Roberto Scano, Yvette Hoitink
22:08:16 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:08:54 <wendy> scribe: kesh
22:08:56 <wendy> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:08:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy
22:09:27 <wendy> zakim, kesh is kerstin
22:09:27 <Zakim> sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named 'kesh'
22:46:41 <wendy> zakim, bye
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22:46:44 <wendy> RRSAGent, bye
22:46:44 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:46:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: john, wendy, gregg discuss relationship between test cases and relationship to success criteria in prep for agenda next week [1]
22:46:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-irc#T20-14-39
22:46:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gian, alex, andi work on proposal for implicit labels and positioning of labels (as relates to WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 10.2) [2]
22:46:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/18-wai-wcag-irc#T21-22-34