IRC log of swbp on 2005-07-25

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Meeting: SWBPD WG

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0070.html

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Previous: 2004-07-11 http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html

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SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started

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+Phil_Tetlow

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+Ralph

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Phil: Jeff Pan sends regrets

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rrsagent, please make logs world-visible

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Chair: DavidW

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+David_Wood

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+ph.a

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zakim, ph.a is Fabien

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+Fabien; got it

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+DBooth

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+[IBM]

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zakim, [ibm] is temporarily ChrisW

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+ChrisW; got it

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Topic: 1. Admin

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+??P1

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+Alistair_Miles (was ??P1)

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Regrets: Guus Schreiber, Tom Baker, Natasha Noy, Benjamin Nguyen, Deb McGuinness, Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Jeff Pan

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+ +31.20.465.aaaa

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+DanBri

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+??P7

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zakim, ??p7 Mike

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I don't understand '??p7 Mike', Ralph

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zakim, ??p7 is Mike

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+Mike; got it

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zakim, aaaa is Jacco

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+Jacco; got it

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zakim, pick a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW

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+Giorgos_Stamou

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Scribe: Chris

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PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 11 July telecon:

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html 2005-07-11 meeting record

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RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 11 July telecon:

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[Next Telecon

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Guus: in 2 weeks next, July 25th I'm on holiday]

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy

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+Jeremy; got it

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daveW: need to establish by end of summer targets for f2f

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PROPOSED next meeting 22 August

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...f2f gets us near end of charter

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RESOLVED next meeting 22 August

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agenda+ (Liaison) SPARQL

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agenda+ (Liaison) EARL

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ralph: notes 2 requests for reviews of other docs

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...web acces. initiative and sparql

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20050721/

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-EARL10-Requirements-20050711/

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added to agenda at end of liasons

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Topic: 2. LIAISON

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Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14

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ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]

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agendum: 2. LIAISON

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2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0045.html DBooth's thing-defined-by proposal

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dbooth: would like proposal to be considered

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...propose we do NOT take action until so

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url for proposal, dbooth?

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q+

17:12:30 [Chris_scribe]

danbri, see above

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ah sorry :)

17:13:29 [DavidW]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0071.html

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0071.html DBooth expands on thing-described-by

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davidW: how to respond?

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dbooth: would like more input

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q-

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q+

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q+ to suggest david's proposal is orthogonal; but that choice of HTTP code needs further discussion

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[I intend to consider DBooth's thing-defined-by idea but not let that me stop drafting words on the httpRange-14 TAG resolution]

17:16:05 [Chris_scribe]

jjc: inclination to stay quiet, some people seem to be able to live with it

17:16:09 [danbri]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jul/0012.html -- http-range resolution - should we ask purl.org to make 303 redirects possible? (DC, RSS1, ...) Dan Brickley

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q+

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q-

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q?

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ack dbooth

17:16:55 [Chris_scribe]

dbooth: my proposal is a follow-on to tags proposal

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ack danbri

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danbri, you wanted to suggest david's proposal is orthogonal; but that choice of HTTP code needs further discussion

17:18:00 [Chris_scribe]

danbri: people are exhausted w/ topic, lots of email and proposals. Dbooth's proposal looks like a value-add, but no need for it to come from a w3c group

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...perl.org have a service that would require re-tooling to be compliant (Danbri check I'm getting this)

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s/perl/purl/

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zakim, who is alking?

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I don't understand your question, DavidW.

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zakim, who is talking?

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jul/0012.html

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ack Ralph

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Ralph, you wanted to say [I intend to consider DBooth's thing-defined-by idea but not let that me stop drafting words on the httpRange-14 TAG resolution]

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DavidW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ralph (14%), David_Wood (85%), DBooth (27%), Redland (13%)

17:19:47 [danbri]

[[Many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 303

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status. When interoperability with such clients is a concern, the

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302 status code may be used instead, since most user agents react

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to a 302 response as described here for 303.]]

17:20:19 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: not carefully considered dbooth's proposal, but don't intend to hold up considering action item

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...still drafting language in response to tag proposal.

17:20:41 [danbri]

q+ to be more concrete, we accept, conditional on TAG noting that a 302 HTTP response is also acceptable (since purl.org use that, and HTTP/1.1 allows the substitution anyway)

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[reminder to re-read the actual text of the TAG's resolution too]

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q+

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davidw: agree with ralph

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q?

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...move forward with action as stands and dbooth's proposal as sep. issues

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ack danbri

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danbri, you wanted to be more concrete, we accept, conditional on TAG noting that a 302 HTTP response is also acceptable (since purl.org use that, and HTTP/1.1 allows the

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... substitution anyway)

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ack jjc

17:24:47 [Ralph]

[searching http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#httpRange-14 for a pointer to the resolution, doesn't see one obvious]

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Jeremy: DBooth's t-b-d proposal is more like things that IETF does

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... hence an Internet Draft may be more appropriate than a BP Note

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... I think Best Practice notes should only be written about established practices

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+1 re new practice

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jjc: don't think best practice should be a proposal for a new practice

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q?

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agendum: 2.2 XML Schema Last Call

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XSCD doc:

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xmlschema-ref-20050329/

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I volunteer - I've read earlier docs.

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when's the deadline?

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action: jjc to review XML Schema last call

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agendum 2.3 OMG: ODM review

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ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05]

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-- continues

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0085.html ODM update [Elisa]

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Topic: 2.4 SPARQL

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jul/0025.html Last Call for comments on "SPARQL Query Language for RDF"

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Ralph: SPARQL went to Last Call last week.

17:32:48 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: some swbp input to DAWL/Sparql, feedback solicited

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... We were asked last year to give input on subject and something else. We were requested by the DAWG chair to give final feedback on how our ealier feedback was recorded.

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davidw: looks like it has grown considerably

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davidw: important stuff - we need to get a review from swbp

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[?do we _need_ to do a review?]

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q+ to ask about testing

17:37:04 [DavidW]

Ralph, no, but it would be a shame if we didn't care...

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ack danbri

17:37:15 [Zakim]

danbri, you wanted to ask about testing

17:37:37 [Chris_scribe]

danbri: rdf test cases were a huge part of the rdf spec - doesn't seem to have the same emphasis in sparql

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...might be worth some comment

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q+ to note that responses from us are appropriate in the context of _Practices_

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(& _deployment_, ralph?)

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jjc: notes that test cases in webont prceeded differently

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q+ to add deployment

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q-

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davidw: agrees that test cases are important for encouraging interoperability

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fixed!

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(in response to danbri's rdf syntax test case)

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Topic: 2.5 EARL

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/ EARL 1.0 [WD 2002-12-06]

17:41:40 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: from web access. initiative

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...earl is a way to record the evaluations of accessibility of web pages

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...seems like a natural RDF app (metadata)

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See also http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Requirements/ 2005-07-11

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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Requirements/ Requirements for the Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) 1.0 [WD 2005-07-11]

17:43:06 [jjc]

This is a W3C Working Draft produced by the Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)

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See also http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20050711.html editor's draft 11 july 2005

17:44:11 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: seems appropriate for swbp to review

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it's very short

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...no formal request to review, but it is possible

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i'll do it - it'll only take thirty mins

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key line:

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EARL 1.0 will be an RDF Schema as defined by the RDF Vocabulary Description Language 1.0

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Ralph: EARL was an RDF application at one time, I assume it might still be

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Topic 3.1 PORT

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agendum: 3. TF UPDATES

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3.1 PORT (Alistair)

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ACTION: Guus ask Mark if he can review next SKOS edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action04]

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-- withdrawn

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ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements

17:46:30 [Ralph]

Alistair: I've contacted Mark myself

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0077.html [PORT] review process [Alistair]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0078.html RE: [PORT] review process [Alistair]

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alistair: will inform guus of dropped action

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alistair: seeking feedback on the policies for reviews described above

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davidw: seems ok, note ralph's comments

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q+

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alistair: mainly concerned that reviewers have the ability to "veto" changes

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Ralph, humbly pleased?

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ralph: seemed liek proposal was asking reviewers to do the job of the TF

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...see now that getting outside comments was considered reviewing

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...which is fine. Main job of reviewers in SWBP is to approve next WD (or notes)

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q+ to say "I don't want to be asked 'Is proposed change XXX ok' but rather 'Do you see any issues with proposed change XXX'?"

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ack jjc

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ack jjc

17:55:05 [danbri]

[yup. tf lead should report substantive dissagreements to the wg, but can advise wg to move ahead anyway...]

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+ +1.441.316.aabb

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Topic: 3.2 OEP

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Chris: everyone's been on vacation

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zakim, aabb is Jeff

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+Jeff; got it

17:56:36 [Ralph]

ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04]

17:56:42 [Ralph]

ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03]

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-- continues

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Chris: the latest editor's draft is on the OEP page and has been ready for review

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0081.html OEP Update from Deb

17:57:42 [jrvosse]

zakim, mute jrvosse

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sorry, jrvosse, I do not see a party named 'jrvosse'

17:57:46 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.3 WordNet

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ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description

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-- continues

17:58:06 [Ralph]

DanBri: I think we should consider closing this TF

17:58:10 [jrvosse]

zakim, mute Jacco

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Jacco should now be muted

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Topic: 3.4 XML Schema datatypes

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ack jjc

17:59:02 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0058.html Re: XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL [Dave Reynolds]

17:59:10 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0094.html comment: "XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL" [Frank Manola]

18:00:13 [Ralph]

Jeremy: with an implementor's hat, I was part of the Jena team that decided the xpath solution hard to implement

18:00:15 [aliman]

zakim, mute alistair

18:00:15 [Zakim]

Alistair_Miles should now be muted

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... as an editor, I took the users' perspective that the xpath solution was the better one

18:01:23 [Chris_scribe]

jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds

18:01:28 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.5 Vocabulary Management

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0064.html [VM] Telecon report - 2005-07-19 [Tom]

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ACTION: jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds

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q+ iri

18:02:43 [Chris_scribe]

davidw: do you anticipate TF taking a stand on IRIs?

18:03:16 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: expect there to be practical issues TF can't propose solutions for

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q+ to talk about iri

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q- iri

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ack jjc

18:04:06 [Zakim]

Jeremy, you wanted to talk about iri

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iri spec if rfc ???? see in a min

18:05:14 [Ralph]

Jeremy: [the intent of the RDF Core WG was that] IRIs are usable in the Semantic Web

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RFC 3987

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(from IETF)

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-> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt IRIs

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agendum3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)

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ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases

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agendum 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ralph)

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http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt

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s/use cases/use cases for GRDDL/

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ACTION: Ralph suggest to XHTML TF that Jeremy's WWW2005 Talk be turned into a document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action07]

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-- done

18:08:21 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html Report on 19 July telecon

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jun/0073.html Interest in GRDDL from IPTC [Tom]

18:10:27 [danbri]

The International Press Telecommunications Council -- http://www.iptc.org/

18:10:49 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: IPRC has interest in GRDDL and embedding RDF-in-HTML,

18:11:03 [Chris_scribe]

... seems to be little interest in GRDDL in SWBP

18:11:49 [Chris_scribe]

davidW: grddl exists as a solution.

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q+ to iptc

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ack jer

18:12:43 [Zakim]

Jeremy, you wanted to iptc

18:12:47 [Ralph]

zakim, mute jeff

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Jeff should now be muted

18:13:15 [Ralph]

Jeremy: IPTC seems to be concerned about bandwidth

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... so the GRDDL stylesheet might be too long for them

18:14:15 [DavidW]

ack Ralph

18:14:15 [Zakim]

Ralph, you wanted to reply

18:14:33 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: so rdf/a may not be a solution because of bandwidth and thus grddl

18:14:57 [Ralph]

Ralph: yes, compactness of encoding is an issue for IPTC but rather than that being an issue for GRDDL it is a potential advantage for GRDDL over an RDF/A solution

18:14:58 [Chris_scribe]

agendum: 3.7 ADTF (Libby)

18:15:13 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0068.html Semantic Web Applications and Demos [Libby]

18:15:15 [jjc]

yes to ralph, ...

18:15:18 [Ralph]

ACTION: Libby gives DanBri html fragment for wg homepage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05]

18:15:20 [Ralph]

-- done

18:15:23 [Ralph]

ACTION: DanBri update wg homepage w/ pointer to doap registry from Libby [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action06]

18:15:25 [Ralph]

-- done

18:16:04 [Chris_scribe]

davidw: tagging apps/demos with RDF/OWL applicability issue?

18:17:14 [jrvosse]

libby, i've been asking jeen broekstra to make a doap profile for openrdf.org, he responded he was already working on one...

18:17:40 [Chris_scribe]

libby: some technical challenges to do with Grddl/blog interoperation

18:18:55 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.8 RDFTM

18:19:00 [Ralph]

ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07]

18:19:08 [Ralph]

-- continues

18:19:47 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page

18:20:01 [Ralph]

Ralph: Benjamin sent regrets for today's meeting

18:20:15 [Chris_scribe]

jeffp will ping benjamin

18:20:23 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.10 SE TF

18:20:28 [Ralph]

ACTION: Chris and Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]

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-- continues

18:21:04 [Ralph]

Topic: 3.11 MM TF Proposal

18:21:08 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0066.html Multimedia Annotation Task Force Proposal [Giorgos]

18:21:38 [jrvosse]

zakim, unmute Jacco

18:21:38 [Zakim]

Jacco should no longer be muted

18:22:55 [Chris_scribe]

zakim, who is talking?

18:23:06 [Zakim]

Chris_scribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ralph (20%), David_Wood (19%), DBooth (35%), Giorgos_Stamou (95%)

18:23:58 [Chris_scribe]

giorgos: Two work items, survey of work and best practices for annotating multimedia documents for SW

18:24:17 [Chris_scribe]

...have something to start with, can deliver by end of sept.

18:24:46 [Chris_scribe]

...for video, we have one more year (???), perhaps do something about transformation (of what???)

18:24:55 [dbooth]

zakim, mute me

18:24:55 [Zakim]

DBooth should now be muted

18:26:31 [Chris_scribe]

giorgio: will start with covering abstract levels of information in MM docs

18:26:51 [Chris_scribe]

...try to classify standards into these levels (e.g. syntactic, semantic, ...)

18:27:00 [DavidW]

ack Ralph

18:27:28 [Chris_scribe]

ralph: exciting work, share concern with chair that need to find realistic short-term deliverables

18:27:34 [jjc]

q+ to talk about HP situation

18:28:16 [Zakim]

-Jeff

18:28:44 [DavidW]

ack jer

18:28:44 [Zakim]

Jeremy, you wanted to talk about HP situation

18:29:42 [Zakim]

+ +44.131.667.aacc

18:30:06 [jjc]

Possible HP concern over overlap between TF and XG (incubator group) - still being discussed inside HP

18:30:38 [Ralph]

DavidW: I'd like to delay formal approval of the TF until next meeting

18:30:41 [Zakim]

-ChrisW

18:30:54 [Ralph]

... as Guus was instrumental

18:30:57 [jjc]

q+

18:31:10 [DavidW]

ack jer

18:31:23 [Ralph]

Jeremy: I've not heard any objections to this task force

18:31:27 [DavidW]

ack Ralph

18:31:27 [Zakim]

Ralph, you wanted to comment on participation

18:32:15 [Zakim]

-DBooth

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18:33:32 [mike]

How much actual best practice exists for multi-media annotation?

18:34:48 [Ralph]

Ralph: a new TF does add to the WG's work load and the WG is under-represented at today's telecon

18:35:12 [Ralph]

... I'm concerned that there be critical mass of WG participants who agree to work with this TF

18:35:23 [Ralph]

Mike: are there existing practices to evaluate?

18:35:47 [Ralph]

Giorgos: yes, there are practices to look at

18:36:03 [Ralph]

David: hearing a lot of discussion, I judge that we need to defer a formal decision to next telecon

18:36:36 [Ralph]

Ralph: meanwhile, feel free to use the WG mailing list to discuss the content

18:36:46 [Zakim]

-Phil_Tetlow

18:36:47 [aliman]

thanks folks :)

18:36:48 [libby]

thanks all

18:36:50 [Zakim]

-Jeremy

18:36:51 [Zakim]

- +44.131.667.aacc

18:36:51 [Zakim]

-David_Wood

18:36:52 [FabGandon]

Bye.

18:36:52 [Zakim]

-Jacco

18:36:52 [Zakim]

-Alistair_Miles

18:36:54 [Zakim]

-Mike

18:36:55 [Ralph]

Giorgos: please take this up earlier on the agenda next time

18:36:57 [Zakim]

-Fabien

18:36:58 [Ralph]

David: yes

18:37:01 [Ralph]

[adjourned]

18:37:04 [Zakim]

-Redland

18:37:06 [Zakim]

-Giorgos_Stamou

18:37:08 [Zakim]

-Ralph

18:37:09 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended

18:37:10 [Zakim]

Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, David_Wood, ph, Fabien, DBooth, ChrisW, Alistair_Miles, +31.20.465.aaaa, Mike, Jacco, DanBri, Libby, Giorgos_Stamou, Jeremy, +1.441.316.aabb,

18:37:12 [Zakim]

... Jeff, +44.131.667.aacc

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19:20:36 [Ralph]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

19:20:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html Ralph

19:20:48 [Ralph]

zakim, bye

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19:21:00 [Ralph]

rrsagent, bye

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

I see 15 open action items:

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [1]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

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ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-29-19

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ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [3]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-30-42

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ACTION: Guus ask Mark if he can review next SKOS edits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [4]

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ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [5]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-46-22

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [6]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-56-36

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ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [7]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T17-56-42

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [8]

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19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeffp to draft a response to dave reynolds [9]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

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19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases [10]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

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ACTION: Ralph suggest to XHTML TF that Jeremy's WWW2005 Talk be turned into a document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [11]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

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ACTION: Libby gives DanBri html fragment for wg homepage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [12]

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ACTION: DanBri update wg homepage w/ pointer to doap registry from Libby [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [13]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

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ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [14]

19:21:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-irc#T18-19-00

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ACTION: Chris and Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [15]

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