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16:54:00 <Ralph> Meeting: SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG
16:54:03 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
16:54:10 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0040.html
16:54:22 <Ralph> Previous Meeting: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes
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16:54:43 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swbp
16:54:43 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()1:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
16:58:08 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
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16:59:50 <dbooth> zakim, +302 is George_Stamos
16:59:50 <Zakim> +George_Stamos; got it
17:01:01 <FabGandon> hello
17:01:31 <Zakim> +DanBri
17:01:39 <Zakim> +Ralph
17:01:45 <libby> evenin' fabgandon
17:01:56 <FabGandon> hi libby
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17:02:52 <FabGandon> zakim, who's here?
17:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Stamos, DBooth, Guus_Schreiber, Fabien_Gandon (muted), Bristol, Ralph
17:02:54 <Zakim> Bristol has libby, danbri
17:02:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeffP, danbri, FabGandon, Zakim, RRSAgent, libby, guus, dbooth, Ralph
17:03:06 <dbooth> zakim, mute me
17:03:06 <Zakim> DBooth should now be muted
17:03:22 <Zakim> +??P9
17:03:41 <Ralph> Regrets: Benjamin Nguyen, Tom Baker, Elisa Kendall
17:03:46 <guus> zakim, ??P9 is MikeU
17:03:46 <Zakim> +MikeU; got it
17:04:16 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber.a
17:04:21 <dbooth> zakim, the loud keyboard is . . . . ;)
17:04:21 <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, dbooth
17:04:38 <Ralph> zakim, guus_schreiber.a is really Jeff
17:04:39 <Zakim> +Jeff; got it
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17:08:00 <Ralph> Scribe: DanBri
17:08:07 <scribe> welcome to George Stamos, new WG member
17:08:22 <scribe> Regrets: Tom Baker, Benjamin, Elisa
17:08:35 <scribe> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Stamos, DBooth (muted), Guus_Schreiber, Fabien_Gandon (muted), Bristol, Ralph, MikeU, Jeff
17:08:37 <Zakim> Bristol has libby, danbri
17:08:44 <scribe> Minutes of last time? 
17:08:57 <scribe> guus: I only saw IRC notes , which looked ok
17:09:02 <scribe> ralph: no reply yet from Alistair
17:09:13 <scribe> ...Benjamin asked to be recorded as present, by IRC only
17:09:26 <dbooth> i/Meeting:/Topic: 1. ADMIN
17:09:28 <dbooth> zakim, unmute me
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17:09:48 <scribe> guus: propose that with those edits we accept
17:09:55 <scribe> danbri: 2nd'd
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17:10:14 <scribe> RESOLVED: accept last minutes w/ edit for benjamin's presence via irc
17:10:33 <Zakim> +??P0
17:10:34 <Zakim> +Alistair_Miles (was ??P0)
17:10:42 <scribe> guus: re my action to contact Andreas re DERI F2F, I've mailed him. 
17:10:51 <scribe> ...Completed.
17:11:03 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: guus to contact andreas re f2f venue
17:11:10 <scribe> guus: we have a fri/sat meeting 
17:11:38 <Ralph> Topic: Liaison
17:11:42 <scribe> Agendum 2.1 TAG on HTTP RANGE
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17:12:08 <scribe> ACTION: ralph davidw and davidb to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 
17:12:09 <scribe> resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in 
17:12:11 <scribe> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
17:12:14 <scribe> (continued)
17:12:16 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:12:40 <scribe> guus: see also, per agenda, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jun/0051.html
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17:13:19 <scribe> 2.2 XML Schema  Last Call
17:13:24 <scribe> guus: i've not seen any progress here
17:13:41 <scribe> ralph: I think David's action is complete
17:13:48 <scribe> ...he raised that at a recent CG meeting
17:13:58 <scribe> ...Liam Q responded, that we should still send comments.
17:14:26 <scribe> COMPLETED: ACTION: DavidW ask about the XML Schema Component
17:14:28 <scribe>      Designators LC status at the SemWeb CG meeting
17:14:35 <scribe> jeff: not much more to mention
17:14:45 <scribe> ...jjc sent an email, they might ask for more info/comments
17:14:52 <scribe> ...his orig mail
17:14:59 <scribe> guus: currently no outstanding actions
17:15:20 <scribe> Guus: shall I keep this on agenda?
17:15:20 <aliman> zakim, mute me
17:15:20 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not see a party named 'aliman'
17:15:24 <scribe> ralph/jeff: yes
17:16:04 <scribe> 2.2 OMG: ODM review
17:16:11 <scribe> guus: I hope to complete my action tommorrow
17:16:47 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/17-swcg-minutes#item04 record of completion of DavidW's action to ask SemWeb CG about XML Schema Component Designators LC status
17:17:04 <scribe> evan: nothing much more to report. we were this week supposed to have a liaison meeting w/ a related iso project on registries for ontology metadata (15926/3) but several of us can't make it.
17:17:20 <scribe> TF Updates:
17:17:36 <scribe> guus: sent late today, I fwd'd an inital draft on multimedia tf proposal
17:17:54 <scribe> ...related to new member, George S who is here today
17:18:10 <scribe> ...we can see as an instantiation of an original tf from Cannes meeting
17:18:15 <scribe> ..more detailed description
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17:18:43 <scribe> ...G could talk a bit here, then a few short Qs, then take discussion to list, ...
17:18:56 <Ralph> zakim, George_Stamos is really Girgos_Stamou
17:18:56 <Zakim> +Girgos_Stamou; got it
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17:19:02 <scribe> G: from .... Athens
17:19:13 <Ralph> zakim, Girgos_Stamou is really Giorgos_Stamou
17:19:13 <Zakim> +Giorgos_Stamou; got it
17:19:36 <scribe> ...we prepared 1st draft w/ ... from cwi + Jeff Pann, ... proposal for task force with main goal the investigation of some potential approaches for annotating multimedia docs using sw languages
17:20:10 <scribe> ...until now, there is no specific progress in the area of multimedia analysis and auto-annotation using sw, so a problem there for presening multimedia semantics w/ sw langs
17:20:20 <scribe> ...a great need now in the web for representing these semantics
17:20:28 <scribe> ...using wellknown framework of the sw
17:20:35 <scribe> ...interop w/ other descriptions
17:21:17 <scribe> ...proposal not for a new standardisation process, or a new research enquiry area, but trying to make all this stuff interoperable; the standards from mpeg7 mainly, but other stds too, investigate how we can make all these stds interop w/ sw languages (specifically OWL)
17:21:21 <scribe> ...main idea of this tf
17:21:46 <scribe> ...some short term objectives. Collect all currently used vocabs for MM annotations, DC, VRA, etc
17:22:01 <scribe> ...then describe the use cases that we can use as examples for this mm annotations
17:22:32 <scribe> ...investigate and try to explain why they're not using standards/tools, then try to align with other TFs
17:23:01 <scribe> ...longer term objectives - try to collect and try to have some mm annotators that have as output their annotations in sw standards
17:23:10 <scribe> ...provide some mapping tools, eg using xslt
17:23:22 <scribe> ...between standards mainly of iso, mpeg7, mpeg21 etc., and those of the semweb
17:23:34 <scribe> ...main idea of proposal - more details + deliverables in the doc
17:24:33 <scribe> ...planning to combine this effort and invite some ppl from ISO std to participate in the TF, and have a possible pool of other invited ppl who might not directly participate but help in other ways (tools, reesearch, ...)
17:25:04 <scribe> ack ralph
17:25:04 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about RDF and MPEG-7 integration
17:25:10 <guus> q?
17:25:40 <scribe> ralph: thx for useful summary, esp references. In part, refs help answer 1 question. When you talk of annotating multimedia, 'annotating' is sometimes understood in diff ways
17:25:59 <scribe> ...i understand mpeg 7 has a contained for metadata "about the content". It's long been a Q how to use RDF+OWL in that container.
17:26:07 <scribe> ...is that sort of thing that the TF might address?
17:26:20 <scribe> G: MPEG7 is using XML as serialization
17:26:33 <scribe> ...they use it in some different ways, difficult to represent MM semantics
17:27:07 <scribe> ...need something on top of this
17:27:23 <scribe> ...using RDF
17:27:28 <scribe> ...not straightfwd
17:28:12 <scribe> ralph: thanks. sounds like an ambitious set of plans, good that there are others lined up to join the TF. Have you identified any other WG members who might participate?
17:28:29 <scribe> G: (scribe missed names, sorry)
17:28:33 <scribe> ...new members
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17:28:52 <scribe> ...+ IBM have a leading role in this topic, and BT; also Jane Hunter has been active in this area
17:28:58 <scribe> david: I think HP would be interested
17:29:05 <dbooth> s/david/dbooth/
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17:29:11 <scribe> ...Sony? many others
17:29:43 <scribe> guus: I trimmed a list of potential members from the first draft; potential of too many members 
17:30:07 <scribe> q+ to ask how this relates to Image Description (EXIF etc)
17:30:14 <dbooth> zakim, unmute me
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17:30:26 <scribe> david: i'll check on specific individuals at HP
17:30:38 <scribe> guus: with the Web becoming more multimedia, this likely to be of interest
17:31:01 <scribe> ralph: any idea about timeframe? the current SWBPD charter expires in 6 months
17:31:07 <scribe> ...to be considered i guess
17:31:45 <scribe> G: we can split plan into 2. Short and long
17:31:50 <scribe> nearby http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-media/
17:31:58 <Zakim> scribe, you wanted to ask how this relates to Image Description (EXIF etc)
17:31:58 <guus> q?
17:32:04 <aliman> zakim, unmute Alistair
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17:32:25 <Ralph> DanBri: I'm excited to see work in this area, especially work that draws together existing things
17:32:45 <Ralph> ... I do have a concern about the scope; it's a lot of work to do this for multimedia
17:32:56 <Ralph> ... there is some work on EXIF; taking EXIF into RDF
17:33:08 <Ralph> ... also news feed syndication
17:33:31 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
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17:33:32 <Ralph> ... describing audio objects; there is a W3C WG -- Timed Text
17:33:44 <Ralph> ... would this TF subsume other work on semantic image description?
17:33:53 <scribe> G: you're right, some work on audio and other areas, we'l l try to fill the gaps
17:34:08 <scribe> ...we'll not concentrate on audio, but on things that aren't well covered in the past
17:34:48 <Ralph> DanBri: the Semantic Web claim is that when everyone uses RDF it will be easy to draw these different things together
17:34:49 <aliman> zakim, unmute alistair
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17:35:17 <scribe> G: distinctiion in past re MM semantics, ...video 
17:35:20 <scribe> (missed detail)
17:35:28 <scribe> ...scenes etc., and characteristic frames
17:35:37 <scribe> ...at least in mpeg7
17:36:00 <scribe> guus: keyframes are more complex than stil images, as you have relationships to account for
17:36:06 <scribe> G: still images are a first step
17:36:15 <scribe> ...but we have video in the web too
17:36:22 <scribe> guus: for short term plan, focus on still images
17:36:26 <scribe> G: yes
17:36:36 <guus> q?
17:36:52 <scribe> (danbri: yes, good split)
17:37:00 <scribe> guus: feedback to list please
17:37:22 <scribe> ...next call july25 probably, 
17:37:30 <scribe> G: I'll send this 5 days before, to give time for feedback
17:37:34 <scribe> guus: that's good
17:38:00 <scribe> ...procedure is that wg votes on making a tf active, based on a template description etc
17:38:04 <scribe> ...can organize separate telecons
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17:38:20 <Ralph> q+ to note WG participation expectations
17:38:29 <scribe> ...if you invite ppl that are note working for a member org, ... can cause difficulties
17:38:46 <scribe> ...don't create any big expectations with non-w3c-members that might cause later dissapointment
17:38:50 <scribe> ack ralph
17:38:50 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to note WG participation expectations
17:39:03 <scribe> ralph: i tihnk its particularly important that tf members feel they're full WG participants
17:39:15 <scribe> ...and all TF participants should be in the WG calls
17:39:30 <scribe> ...we have at least one tf that is somewhat disconnected, which worries me
17:39:37 <scribe> ...ppl should expect to attend this meeting too
17:39:47 <scribe> guus: great, thanks, looking forward to new tf
17:39:58 <scribe> 3.1 PORT (Alistair)
17:40:07 <scribe> alistair wants reviewers for next drafts
17:40:22 <scribe> alistair: we have a review scheduled soon, want reviewers to look at change proposals
17:40:33 <scribe> ...reviewers then to look  at revised docs
17:40:50 <scribe> guus: last time was tom and mark, want same again?
17:41:03 <scribe> alistair: i don't mind. last time they did a great job, ... but either way ok
17:41:47 <scribe> guus: i think mark could do it
17:41:55 <scribe> danbri: tom might be too busy already...
17:42:03 <scribe> guus: if no more volunteers here, take it to the list
17:42:45 <scribe> alistair: if ralph or david had time, woudl be great
17:43:00 <scribe> ralph, i'll consider, but feeling overcommitted already
17:43:24 <scribe> alistair: list of changes this round is light, maybe only 3 changes to core schema
17:43:41 <scribe> ...looks like 1 piece of work that needs doing is a Note on extending skos core in different directions
17:44:00 <scribe> ...am trying to find time to do that; reviewing that could be a more substantive job too
17:44:00 <guus> zakim, who is here?
17:44:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Giorgos_Stamou, DBooth, Guus_Schreiber, Fabien_Gandon (muted), Bristol, Ralph, MikeU, Jeff, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace
17:44:02 <Zakim> Bristol has libby, danbri
17:44:03 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:44:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html dbooth
17:44:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see jrvosse, ewallace, stamou, aliman, JeffP, scribe, FabGandon, Zakim, RRSAgent, libby, guus, dbooth, Ralph
17:44:10 <scribe> ralph: i'm willing to help review proposed changes
17:44:41 <scribe> alistair: we've a rule that we can only review changes that [lost detail]
17:44:57 <Ralph> s/[lost detail]/have been stable for 2 weeks/
17:45:00 <scribe> action: guus ask mark if he can review next SKOS edits
17:45:33 <Ralph> DanBri: IPTC met in London last Friday to talk about linking their work
17:45:41 <Ralph> ... seems very close to SKOK
17:45:44 <Ralph> s/SKOK/SKOS/
17:45:59 <scribe> 3.2 OEP (Deb/Chris)
17:46:05 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs world-visible
17:46:07 <scribe> ...mike and evan are on the call
17:46:11 <scribe> zakim, who is speaking?
17:46:13 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
17:46:13 <Zakim> Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:46:23 <Zakim> scribe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Evan_Wallace (95%)
17:46:31 <dbooth> s/3.2 OEP/Topic: 3.2 OEP/
17:46:36 <scribe> evan: jerry hobbs on the call again. discussed OWL Time, potentially have an OWL time one
17:46:59 <Ralph> Evan: potentially may get a DL version of OWL-time
17:47:12 <scribe> mike: chris Menzel (sp?) has joined Boeing temporarily, will help w/ Semantic Integration work
17:47:13 <dbooth> s/3.1 PORT (Alistair)/Topic: 3.1 PORT (Alistair)/
17:47:15 <scribe> (lost detail)
17:47:28 <scribe> guus: re review of n-ary relations draft, timeline?
17:47:34 <scribe> evan: not clear currently
17:48:04 <scribe> ....some discussion of relationship to tools, eg Protege plugin
17:48:10 <scribe> ...working on that re units ontology
17:48:15 <scribe> Topic: 3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
17:48:46 <dbooth> s/2.2 OMG: ODM review/Topic: 2.2 OMG: ODM review/
17:48:48 <Ralph> DanBri: at what point should we consider closing the WordNet TF if we're not making progress?
17:49:05 <Ralph> Guus: if there's no progress by end of summer, we'll [propose to] close it down
17:49:05 <scribe> guus: give me this summer to get it in place; if notthing then, we might need to close it.
17:49:15 <scribe> 3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
17:49:19 <scribe> Topic: 3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
17:49:28 <dbooth> s/2.2 XML Schema  Last Call/Topic: 2.2 XML Schema  Last Call/
17:49:43 <scribe> jeff: [missed detail]
17:49:53 <scribe> ...if we get comments from reviewers, it'll help us choose from the options in the Note
17:50:07 <scribe> ...we can hopefully make it a final draft in near future
17:50:20 <scribe> guus: doesn't seem far from moving to Note status, to me
17:50:35 <scribe> ...please could coordinators consider that. Let's await jjc's input.
17:50:41 <scribe> Topic: Vocabulary Management
17:50:43 <scribe> q+
17:51:01 <scribe> q-
17:51:05 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:51:17 <Ralph> DanBri: encourage people to read the VM TF meeting report http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0019.html
17:51:17 <aliman> zakim, unmute alistair
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17:51:17 <scribe> danbri: Covering for Tom, ... basically take a look at his report
17:51:34 <Ralph> Guus: how much longer to a Working Draft?
17:51:38 <Ralph> Alistair: hard to answer
17:52:14 <Ralph> DanBri: we encourage Tom to start writing a draft and then discuss
17:52:25 <Ralph> s/encourage/encouraged/
17:52:36 <scribe> Topic 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
17:52:47 <scribe> Topic: 3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
17:52:59 <scribe> Ralph: we're feeling in TF that we're getting critical mass 
17:53:30 <scribe> ...we were discussing details, but have moved towards having one person (tom) get it into draft first, then tweak.
17:53:36 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
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17:53:47 <scribe> guus: there was a telecon recently
17:53:54 <scribe> ...ralph had an action to discuss xhtml note
17:54:21 <scribe> ralph: sorry that's slipped
17:55:05 <Ralph> DanBri: I have started a collection of samples
17:55:39 <Ralph> ... Jeremy is revising his XSLT converter from RDF/A to RDF/XML
17:56:34 <Ralph> ... see notes from IPTC meeting last Friday, though not an official TF meeting
17:56:45 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jul/0006.html W3C/IPTC meeting, 8 July 2005, London [Misha Wolf]
17:57:13 <Ralph> DanBri: need to abbreviate (via qnames) not just RDF Property names but also source and object URIs
17:57:21 <Ralph> ... this need has been discussed in several places
17:57:32 <Ralph> ... Mark Birbeck is considering this for the next iteration of the RDF/A design
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17:58:00 <scribe> Topic: 3.7 ADTF (Libby)
17:58:08 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
17:58:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Giorgos_Stamou, DBooth, Guus_Schreiber, Fabien_Gandon (muted), Bristol, Ralph, MikeU, Jeff, Alistair_Miles (muted), Evan_Wallace
17:58:10 <Zakim> Bristol has libby, danbri
17:58:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisW, jrvosse, ewallace, stamou, aliman, JeffP, scribe, FabGandon, Zakim, RRSAgent, libby, guus, dbooth, Ralph
17:58:23 <scribe> libby: Apps and Demos...
17:58:25 <dbooth> zakim, mute me
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17:58:34 <scribe> after not having done much for a while, done some more...
17:58:42 <scribe> ...about 10 ppl have added DOAP files into the wiki index
17:58:50 <scribe> ...just needs a bit more publicity, and we'll get more
17:58:59 <scribe> ...i'll do that this week
17:59:07 <scribe> guus: consider approaching sw challenge folk
17:59:14 <scribe> libby: yep
17:59:25 <libby>  http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
17:59:29 <scribe> danbri: perhaps something on the wg homepage?
17:59:32 <scribe> ralph: +1
18:00:17 <Ralph> DanBri: I'm willing to edit the WG home page if Libby proposes text
18:00:19 <scribe> action: libby gives danbri html fragment for wg homepage
18:00:32 <scribe> action: danbri update wg homepage w/ pointer to doap registry from libby
18:00:41 <scribe> Topic: 3.8 RDFTM (Steve)
18:00:43 <ewallace> the recent OEP telecon was briefly discussed
18:00:45 <scribe> guus: not heard much
18:01:08 <scribe> [scribe missed detail re OEP sorry; can someone fill-in]
18:01:08 <ewallace> questions remain about the statues of the n-ary relations note
18:01:14 <scribe> guus: i'll send mail to steve re tf
18:01:33 <scribe> action: guus send email to steve pepper re status of new rdftm draft
18:01:48 <scribe> Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page
18:01:59 <scribe> jeff: Benjamin is taking lead. I sent him some comments.
18:02:13 <scribe> guus: more actions needed?
18:02:19 <scribe> jeff: not that i know of
18:02:30 <scribe> guus: checking faq...
18:02:34 <scribe> [later]
18:03:08 <scribe> ralph: Benjamin sent a note a while back on process for submissions to FAQ
18:03:13 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jun/0062.html [FAQ] Submission procedure proposition [Benjamin 2005-06-20]
18:03:18 <scribe> ...didn't get much followup discussion
18:03:56 <scribe> guus: put http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jun/0062.html on agenda for next time (Benjamin's faq process proposal)
18:04:03 <scribe> 3.10 SE TF
18:04:05 <scribe> Topic: 3.10 SE TF
18:04:17 <scribe> jeff: deadline (for ?) is end of this month
18:04:31 <scribe> ...chris welty is removed from contrib's list and is serving isntead as a reviewer
18:04:34 <Zakim> +Chris_Welty
18:04:47 <scribe> chris: we did have some discussion about Semantic Integration
18:05:38 <scribe> jeff: talked about onto integration, possible relationship to our TF
18:05:45 <scribe> ...evan thought it might be in scope for OEP
18:05:51 <scribe> ...so we'll leave it out of this TF
18:06:27 <scribe> chris: still some Qs regarding n-ary relations note... what are those?
18:06:34 <scribe> guus: just , what was deadline for review?
18:06:44 <scribe> chris: guess we should set one! ... end of July
18:06:47 <scribe> guus: ok
18:06:51 <scribe> ralph: yup
18:07:11 <scribe> (brief recap of earlier)
18:07:45 <scribe> ...talked to Tony Cohen (sp?) about adding a spatial ontology
18:07:54 <scribe> ....similar to what we've done with OWL Time, ie make an OWL version
18:08:13 <ChrisW> ^cohen^cohn^
18:08:19 <scribe> Topic: Next Telecon
18:08:30 <scribe> guus: in 2 weeks next, July 25th
18:08:46 <scribe> ...i'm on holiday
18:08:47 <dbooth> zakim, unmute me
18:08:47 <Zakim> DBooth should no longer be muted
18:09:07 <scribe> resolved: July 25th 2005 next meeting, Ralph or David to chair
18:09:09 <dbooth> q+ to request that task force abbreviations be defined in the meeting agenda
18:09:14 <scribe> ...not telcon Aug 8, next on Aug 22
18:09:40 <scribe> guus: by end summer, we should also set goals to reach by time of next f2f
18:09:45 <scribe> ...eg notes schedule
18:10:13 <dbooth> zakim, unmute me
18:10:14 <Zakim> DBooth was not muted, dbooth
18:10:18 <scribe> (danbri: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/samples/ was the HTML TF dir mentioned earlier)
18:10:31 <scribe> dbooth: if you would define the abbrevations for the TFs it'd be helpful
18:10:40 <scribe> ralph: see the WG page 
18:10:44 <scribe> dbooth: hard to crossref
18:10:54 <scribe> guus: i'll check that, in agenda next time
18:10:57 <scribe> ADJOURNED
18:10:59 <FabGandon> bye.
18:11:04 <scribe> rrsagent, please draft minutes
18:11:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html scribe
18:11:16 <aliman> thanks all :)
18:11:16 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:11:16 <Zakim> -Chris_Welty
18:11:16 <Zakim> -Alistair_Miles
18:11:16 <Zakim> -Jeff
18:11:16 <Zakim> -DBooth
18:11:17 <Zakim> -MikeU
18:11:18 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
18:11:20 <Zakim> -Ralph
18:11:21 <Zakim> -Fabien_Gandon
18:11:27 <Zakim> -Giorgos_Stamou
18:11:31 <Zakim> -Bristol
18:11:32 <Zakim> SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:11:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, DBooth, +30210772aaaa, Fabien_Gandon, Ralph, libby, danbri, MikeU, Jeff, Alistair_Miles, Evan_Wallace, Giorgos_Stamou, Chris_Welty
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18:17:36 <danbri> bye all
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