IRC log of swbp on 2005-06-28

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14:00:33 [em]

agenda+ admin

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agenda+ liasion

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agenda2=liaison (TAG, XML Schema, OMG)

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agenda+ TF update

14:01:31 [Zakim]

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+??P6

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+Ben_Adida

14:01:38 [MarkB_]

zakim, i am ?

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+MarkB_; got it

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-Ben_Adida

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+Ben_Adida

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+Danbri

14:01:49 [danbri]

danbri has changed the topic to: SWBP+HTML RDF-in-XHTML TF telecon agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun/0033.html

14:02:08 [em]

zakim, dial emiller-bos

14:02:08 [Zakim]

ok, em; the call is being made

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+Emiller

14:02:23 [em]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ben_Adida, MarkB_, Danbri, Emiller

14:02:24 [Zakim]

On IRC I see benadida, RRSAgent, Zakim, danbri, em, MarkB_, Ralph

14:03:36 [danbri]

zakim, agenda?

14:03:36 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. admin [from em]

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2. liaison (TAG, XML Schema, OMG)

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3. TF update [from em]

14:04:05 [danbri]

zakim, remove agendum 3

14:04:05 [Zakim]

agendum 3, TF update, dropped

14:04:07 [danbri]

zakim, remove agendum 2

14:04:07 [Zakim]

agendum 2, liaison (TAG, XML Schema, OMG), dropped

14:04:49 [danbri_scribe]

agenda+ IPTC

14:04:54 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, agenda?

14:04:54 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. admin [from em]

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4. IPTC [from danbri_scribe]

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agenda+ danbri's rdfs

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agenda+ Inheritance rules details in latest HTML WD

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agenda+ XHTML2 RDF/A ACID test

14:05:49 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, agenda?

14:05:49 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. admin [from em]

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4. IPTC [from danbri_scribe]

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5. danbri's rdfs [from danbri_scribe]

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6. Inheritance rules details in latest HTML WD [from danbri_scribe]

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7. XHTML2 RDF/A ACID test [from danbri_scribe]

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+??P15

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q+ can we fix the agenda

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q+ to ask if we can we fix the agenda

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em: GRDDL status?

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ben: dormant in TF currently

14:07:00 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, ??P15 is jjc

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+jjc; got it

14:07:08 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, agenda?

14:07:08 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. admin [from em]

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4. IPTC [from danbri_scribe]

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5. danbri's rdfs [from danbri_scribe]

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6. Inheritance rules details in latest HTML WD [from danbri_scribe]

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7. XHTML2 RDF/A ACID test [from danbri_scribe]

14:08:12 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

14:08:12 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "admin" taken up [from em]

14:08:17 [danbri_scribe]

zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "IPTC" taken up [from danbri_scribe]

14:08:38 [danbri_scribe]

IPTC upcoming discussion(s)

14:09:09 [danbri_scribe]

...meeting under discussion for July (London), re potential adoption of RDF/A and XHTML2 by IPTC

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em: re IPTC... july 8 meeting in london

14:09:54 [danbri_scribe]

nearby: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2005Jun/0016.html

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...em, danbri, misha, laurant(sp.?), possibly markB

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em: ...morning of 8th

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jjc: i could probably attend quite easily

14:11:15 [danbri_scribe]

em: yes pls :)

14:11:59 [danbri_scribe]

...biggest issues i see, some modeling Qs that need sorting out. Various IPTC-related discussions across SWIG and DC lists, hard to get a clear sense of requirements

14:12:19 [danbri_scribe]

q+ to note that abbreviated URIs for subjects and objects of rdf statements seems to be a req

14:12:46 [danbri_scribe]

ben: i agree. discussed possibility w/ danc of having a telecon pre-meeting to scope and make better use of f2f time

14:13:39 [danbri_scribe]

em: there are some good summaries around (esp mark's). being around a whiteboard will be a big help.

14:14:05 [danbri_scribe]

q+ to ask ericm whether we should consider this a meeting of the TF/WG, or just a related meeting?

14:14:15 [danbri_scribe]

em: its v important to identify 'customers' for our tech

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...thats my interest in seeing this work happen

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...to extent that we can have 2 or 3 of them satisfied by the same underlying tech, those are helpful

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...but also helps us make a case for wider deployment (in toolkits, browsers, etc)

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danbri: seems v healthy to me

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mark: i've been involved w/ both orgs, and would even say that if we don't get this kind of adoption, sw won't happen

14:16:28 [danbri_scribe]

...i was also in Dublin for w3c mobile meeting

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...presented the xhtml2 story

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...enthusiasm for the metadata aspect makes you think that if we could get mobile world + newsvendors, both using xhtml2, some major possibilities

14:17:27 [danbri_scribe]

q+ to ask jjc re status of xslt/grddl for rdf/a

14:17:48 [benadida]

zakim, mute danbri_scribe

14:17:48 [Zakim]

sorry, benadida, I do not see a party named 'danbri_scribe'

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em: working with them to acid test this stuff... and help use them as examples, indicators for others to follow

14:17:58 [danbri_scribe]

sorry for noise

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ben: completely agree. cusomers are a big deal

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...we want this to be real, ...

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ack danbri

14:19:11 [Zakim]

danbri_scribe, you wanted to ask if we can we fix the agenda and to note that abbreviated URIs for subjects and objects of rdf statements seems to be a req and to ask ericm whether

14:19:14 [Zakim]

... we should consider this a meeting of the TF/WG, or just a related meeting? and to ask jjc re status of xslt/grddl for rdf/a

14:20:24 [danbri_scribe]

danbri: allowing qnames instead of uris would be a big win

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ben: we talked about that last week

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danbri: i saw something (but didn't read detail yet)

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q+ to suggest mark and ben collab on agenda prep for next time

14:23:08 [em]

q+

14:24:31 [danbri_scribe]

ack danbri

14:24:31 [Zakim]

danbri_scribe, you wanted to suggest mark and ben collab on agenda prep for next time

14:24:45 [danbri_scribe]

jjc: is there an active HP rep on the HTML WG? and active?

14:24:55 [danbri_scribe]

mark: melinda(sp?) involved w/ print stuff

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jjc: I could investigate the HP/HTML WG connection... get our RDF interest represented

14:26:15 [danbri_scribe]

em: ...if we could get not just us from the RDF camp to talk about qnames, human readability etc., but from early adopters (eg., mobile web, news, ...)

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...draw attention to issues from outside the rdf 'camp'

14:27:16 [danbri_scribe]

q+ to ask if we should consider this a meeting of the TF/WG, or just a related meeting?

14:27:37 [danbri_scribe]

agenda+ AOB request: ask jjc re status of xslt/grddl for rdf/a

14:27:52 [danbri_scribe]

mark: generally those on the wg have the interests of HTML authors at heart

14:28:14 [danbri_scribe]

...there are other communities beyond the HTML author (news, mobile, ...); good to have backup of use cases from these wider groups

14:28:22 [danbri_scribe]

em: we have to focus on 'uses' as well as 'user'

14:29:10 [em]

q-

14:29:10 [benadida]

ack em

14:29:15 [danbri_scribe]

ack danbri

14:29:15 [Zakim]

danbri_scribe, you wanted to ask if we should consider this a meeting of the TF/WG, or just a related meeting?

14:30:19 [danbri_scribe]

ben: we could...

14:30:51 [danbri_scribe]

danbri: ah, i remember now, w3c requires advance notice of the meeting

14:30:52 [danbri_scribe]

ben: ok

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...please do circulate some results/outcomes of meeting

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jjc: are iptc hosting?

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em: Misha/Reuters are hosting, or arranging hosting

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(fleet street?)

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action: ericm or danbri circulate results of london f2f meeting at IPTC (assuming it happens)

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ben: 2 main issues?

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mark: iptc need to decide whether to use xhtml2 or their own language

14:33:15 [danbri_scribe]

(I missed the sketch of the 2 issues; scribe-help welcomed)

14:33:53 [benadida]

2 issues: (1) qnames in subjects and objects (2) attributes defaulting to RDF properties

14:33:57 [danbri_scribe]

jjc: presume we wouldn't consider it a failure if they had their own language, so long as was transformable with XSLT into XHTML2/RDFA

14:34:24 [danbri_scribe]

em: not sure i'd consider it a failure, but its not the target i'd hope for

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...a fallback position

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...might be reality of non-tech situation, re migration path etc

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... but i hope to be able to bypass that middle step

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jjc: personally i wouldn't be committed to that approach

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...maybe best way to use is directly, or indirectly, ...

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em: easier to make assumptions explicit in f2f setting

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...treat them as an xhtml2 metadata customer

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...help them model data in a highly flexibile way

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q+

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em: stumbling blocks i see are qname one, and modelling (ie. understanding their goals)

14:38:17 [em]

hello?

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testing 1,2,3

14:38:28 [benadida]

ping em

14:39:52 [danbri_scribe]

ben: good to contrib to the mail threads before meeting

14:41:25 [danbri_scribe]

ben: so meeting is a week fri, pls try to contrib mails before then

14:41:42 [Zakim]

-Emiller

14:41:55 [danbri_scribe]

ben: good stuff

14:42:14 [danbri_scribe]

...some rels like next, prev, defining the rdfs

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005May/0005.html

14:42:49 [danbri_scribe]

[HTML] Draft RDF/XML description of XHTML 2.0 link types

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http://www.w3.org/2005/05/hrel/linktypes.rdf

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danbri: definition of 'Document' ok?

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...shall i ref to TAG InformationResource

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mark: they're nto always retrieivable, so emphasising they're abstract

14:47:45 [danbri_scribe]

danbri: propose using TAG InformationResource

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mark: 2nd'ed

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no objections heard

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resolved: class Document definition should refer somehow TAG InformationResource

14:49:30 [danbri_scribe]

ben: copyright is 1 thing needing discussion

14:49:31 [danbri_scribe]

[[

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<rdf:Property rdf:about="#copyright">

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<rdfs:label>copyright</rdfs:label>

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<rdfs:comment>Refers to a copyright statement for the document.</rdfs:comment>

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<rdfs:range rdf:resource="#Document"/>

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<rdfs:domain rdf:resource="#Document"/>

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<rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#ObjectProperty"/>

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<!-- aside: see extensive debate on Atom list re a similar construct; also

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dc:rights, and Creative Commons. Scope for sub-property mappings here? -->

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</rdf:Property>

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]]

14:49:49 [danbri_scribe]

...trying thing thru changes

14:50:05 [danbri_scribe]

...copyright, also add 'license'?

14:50:15 [danbri_scribe]

...how much stuff to add into this core vocab?

14:50:30 [danbri_scribe]

mark: things like cc:license... discussion of whether it goes in the cc ns

14:50:37 [danbri_scribe]

ben: we wantto move away from that

14:50:56 [danbri_scribe]

mark: if you remove the "cc:" prefix, you'd need a new property

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q+

14:51:35 [danbri_scribe]

jjc: although presumably this xhtml2:copyright is similar to

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danbri/ben: dc:rights, dcterms:license are the closest dc terms

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ben: re html, arg is that the 2 should be distinct

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...then q of whether to subPropertyOf

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jjc: my point is that a group like Dublin Core spend more time than the html wg on this sort of thing

14:52:52 [danbri_scribe]

...as much as we can suggest legacy migration

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mark: could dan add equivalence statements?

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jjc: yes, they'd be legacy migration statements

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...they'd need endorsement by the html wg

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danbri: not our job. html guys get to decide how much to clutter their ns.

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...but they seem to have gone down the modularity, external extensions route

14:55:25 [danbri_scribe]

ben: ... additioanl terms are up to the html wg

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ben: lets do the following

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...dan, this is great, we need to move to a WG Note, and start formatting this in that format right now

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...i'll notify the wg that we're working on this

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danbri: i'll write an XHTML doc to go with this RDF/XML

14:57:20 [danbri_scribe]

mark: you've used # but the HTML WG's ns ends in / currently

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action: danbri record an issue re # vs /

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jjc: lets take this to SWBPD WG

14:58:42 [danbri_scribe]

mark: there's all the role values that need to go in here (header, footer, main content...)

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<!--

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issue-bookmark-title-etc

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Excerpted text:

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"The title attribute may be used, for example, to label the bookmark.

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Note that several bookmarks may be defined for a document." ... what does this

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mean in an RDF context?

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-->

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mark: sugar for rel=role href=...

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ben: jjc how much time do you have for help w/ tests?

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...incl xslt

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jjc: doesn't sound too hard

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...what's timescale that you want it done by?

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mark: can i chip in?

15:01:03 [danbri_scribe]

...item re looking at hierachy

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...didn't do it

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...we have an action to do it...

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...can we work together on it?

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...looking for a good rdf example

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...something everyone'll accept is a good test

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q+

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jjc: my presentation at webconf on this TF

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...had 4 examples in html and rdf

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...tried to motivate the tf

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action: jjc to circulate www conf paper

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ben, mark you want to base inheritance rules on this? test them?

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mark: testing. everytime you accom a usecase you risk losing another

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...we have some stuff for anon nodes

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danbri: propose division of labour. jjc focus on the xslt. danbri on examples.

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mark: a set of examples, eg a foaf file, rss feed, 2 or 3 docs, ... would be ideal

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action: danbri make examples

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ben: do we have the inheritance rules written down yet

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mark: i think jjc had the most substantive review comments on the rules, lets get some motivating examples first, to avoid wasting xslt hacking time if rules chang

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e

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jjc: the rules in the latest WD are simple, only 2 in (1) and (2) in metadata attribs module

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...not inheritance rules as such

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mark: notthing more written down yet, but more to come

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...we agreed rdf/a separate doc needs to be brough t into line w/ current thinking

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...make sure we happy with that

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...we've lost some things, eg statements all about a common object

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er subject

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mark: only ambiguity i have left, in terms of inheritance, or rather 'chaining', ...object of first is subject of next

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then we changed to another method

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now different again, can do along subject or object(?)

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can't have both, need to pick on e that matches common

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danbri: expresssiveness vs limits to graphs?

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jjc: xslt 2 is ok?

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danbri: yeah for starters, as easier

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-jjc

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[exit jeremy]

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wiki http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage

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...can use for examples?

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action: ben to pull in action items from prev meetings

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action: ben to coordinate with mark for next week's meeting

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-MarkB_

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zakim, draft minutes

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-Ben_Adida

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I don't understand 'draft minutes', danbri_scribe

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zakim, please draft minutes

15:14:03 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please draft minutes', danbri_scribe

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-Danbri

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-minutes.html danbri_scribe

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SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ben_Adida, MarkB_, Danbri, Emiller, jjc

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rrsagent, please make minutes world-readable

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rrsagent, please make minutes world-access

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rrsagent, please make logs world-visible

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benadida has left #swbp

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Meeting: SW Best Practices and Deployment and HTML WG RDF-in-HTML Task Force telecon

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Chair: Ben Adida

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-minutes.html danbri_scribe

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Regrets: Steven, Ralph

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16:26:59 [MarkB_]

Dan...are you still there?

16:27:40 [danbri_scribe]

hi

16:28:13 [danbri]

just pondering http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/06/28-rss-apple-itunes/read

16:28:39 [MarkB_]

I have put together an XForms demo that takes Microsoft TerraServer maps, and overlays on top of it the results of a Google location search. It also overlays Norm Walsh's WITW data.

16:29:05 [MarkB_]

So as you move around, Starbucks and Indian restaurants move by, intermixed with people and their locations.

16:29:25 [danbri]

oh, nifty!

16:29:35 [danbri]

something i could try?

16:29:39 [MarkB_]

What would be great is if we had a 'data set' in XHTML 2 that gave us locations, people, FoaF files, etc.

16:29:52 [MarkB_]

danbrin has all he needs then!

16:30:18 [danbri]

ok, hmm dataset, let me have a think

16:30:29 [danbri]

rrsagent, part

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I see 6 open action items:

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ACTION: ericm or danbri circulate results of london f2f meeting at IPTC (assuming it happens) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T14-32-27

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ACTION: danbri record an issue re # vs / [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T14-57-39

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ACTION: jjc to circulate www conf paper [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T15-03-28

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ACTION: danbri make examples [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T15-05-53

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ACTION: ben to pull in action items from prev meetings [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T15-11-58

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ACTION: ben to coordinate with mark for next week's meeting [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/28-swbp-irc#T15-12-13

16:30:30 [MarkB_]

You'll first have to go to our site and install the latest version of Sidewinder. It's in the 'preview' area of the download page.

16:30:34 [danbri]

zakim, part

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