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18:37:27 <mnot> zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
18:37:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, mnot
18:37:38 <mnot> zakim, this will be ws_
18:37:38 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, mnot
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19:16:42 <mnot> zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
19:16:42 <Zakim> ok, mnot; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 44 minutes
19:16:53 <mnot> Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
19:16:57 <mnot> Chair: Mark Nottingham
19:17:08 <mnot> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/48b6f05d4907cbd0ef00f3845ba5f7d1@bea.com
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19:58:51 <Zakim> WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
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19:59:59 <plh-home> zakim, call plh-home
19:59:59 <Zakim> ok, plh-home; the call is being made
20:00:00 <Zakim> +Plh
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20:00:24 <plh-home> zakim, mute me
20:00:24 <Zakim> sorry, plh-home, I do not see a party named 'plh-home'
20:00:25 <Zakim> +Mark_Peel
20:00:32 <plh-home> zakim, plh is me
20:00:32 <Zakim> +plh-home; got it
20:00:34 <plh-home> zakim, mute me
20:00:34 <Zakim> plh-home should now be muted
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20:02:35 <Zakim> +??P14
20:02:54 <TonyR> zakim, ??p14 ismme
20:02:54 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p14 ismme', TonyR
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20:03:05 <TonyR> zakim, ??p14 is me
20:03:05 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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20:03:33 <TonyR> zakim, mute me please
20:03:33 <Zakim> TonyR should now be muted
20:03:35 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Marsh
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20:03:45 <mnot> zakim, who is making noise?
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20:03:56 <Zakim> mnot, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (14%), Nilo_Mitra (14%), Mark_Little (19%), Marc_Hadley (34%)
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20:04:19 <Zakim> +Gudge
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20:06:24 <Zakim> +MSEder
20:06:25 <Zakim> +??P22
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20:06:45 <pauld> zakim, why are you deaf to my tonepad?
20:06:45 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pauld.
20:07:03 <Zakim> +DOrchard
20:07:07 <Zakim> +pauld
20:07:14 <stevewinkler> Scribe: stevewinkler
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20:07:34 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:07:44 <MSEder> zakim, mute me
20:07:44 <Zakim> MSEder should now be muted
20:08:28 <Zakim> + +1.408.748.aabb
20:09:22 <stevewinkler> Call for corrections to minutes.
20:09:35 <stevewinkler> Minutes from May 2 approved.
20:09:41 <mnot> TOPIC: Review Action Items
20:09:56 <plh-home> zakim, unmute me
20:09:56 <Zakim> plh-home should no longer be muted
20:10:50 <stevewinkler> Phillip: No w3c policy surrounding WSDL document split.
20:11:58 <stevewinkler> phllip: there is a normative reference to WSDL 1.1 in the charter.
20:12:03 <stevewinkler> phillip: During the member submission process, we received lots of requests for a WSDL 1.1. binding.
20:12:52 <stevewinkler> phillip: if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and AE. 
20:12:56 <anish> q+
20:14:29 <Marsh> s/AE/AB/
20:14:34 <MSEder> zakim, unmute me
20:14:34 <Zakim> MSEder should no longer be muted
20:14:49 <Marsh> s/Phillip/Philippe/g
20:15:00 <Marsh> s/phllip/Philippe/
20:15:07 <MSEder> zakim, mute me
20:15:07 <Zakim> MSEder should now be muted
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20:15:25 <stevewinkler> phillip: if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and AE. 
20:15:54 <mnot> ack anish
20:16:12 <pauld> s/phillip/philippe/g
20:16:46 <mnot> Scribe: MSEder
20:20:16 <MSEder>  ...  will cause a delay in any case
20:21:04 <MSEder> mark: sounds like a significant delay, if we choose to split the document
20:21:28 <MSEder> mark: lc7 and lc13
20:22:20 <MSEder> .... going through  last call issues already assigned
20:23:43 <MSEder> ... last call issues raised by dimms
20:24:41 <MSEder> .... lc40 extra question mark In example 31
20:25:40 <plh-home> s|and AE|and/or AB|
20:26:12 <MSEder>   jonathan: close with no action, sections have been renumbered.
20:27:45 <MSEder> umit: will raise another editorial issue
20:28:14 <MSEder> lc 40 closed
20:28:23 <mnot> Topic: lc41
20:28:25 <Marsh> Marc, I also see a typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo>
20:28:31 <Marsh> closing tag name...
20:28:59 <MSEder> jonathan: values is correct
20:29:16 <MSEder> ... recommends no change
20:29:19 <TonyR> makes sense to me
20:29:39 <MSEder> mark: close LC 41 with no action
20:29:52 <MSEder> topic: lc42
20:30:38 <MSEder> mark: change order of abstract properties ...  and will accept proposal
20:30:48 <MSEder> topic: lc43
20:31:33 <MSEder> mark: Marc and will check this editorial
20:31:54 <MSEder> ... already part of this taking care of
20:31:58 <MSEder> topic lc44
20:32:24 <MSEder> mark: recommends using OR
20:32:39 <MSEder> gudge: thinks it is correct
20:33:37 <MSEder> mark: accept
20:33:51 <MSEder> topic: lc45
20:35:39 <Zakim> -Glen
20:35:46 <plh-home> http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#References
20:36:23 <MSEder> mark: extra periods - some editorial issue to be resolved
20:37:15 <MSEder> ... close with  no action
20:37:23 <MSEder> topic: lc47
20:37:31 <MSEder> mark: bad URLs
20:37:51 <mnot> ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 refrence (make it like the others)
20:38:10 <marc> ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo>
20:38:14 <MSEder> mark: close with no action'
20:39:44 <MSEder> mark: lc47 will fix 1st RL
20:39:52 <plh-home> [[ <a name="WSDL20" id="WSDL20"></a>[WSDL 2.0]</dt>
20:39:52 <plh-home> <dd><cite><a href="">Web Services Description Language
20:39:52 <plh-home> 2.0</a></cite>, ]]
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20:40:25 <MSEder> s/RL/URL/
20:40:27 <Marsh> s/RFC3987/RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs)
20:40:33 <Marsh> s/RFC3987/RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs)/
20:40:46 <MSEder> topic: lc48
20:41:11 <MSEder> mark: might be fixed
20:41:20 <MSEder> topic: lc49
20:41:34 <Zakim> +Glen_Daniels
20:41:37 <MSEder> mark: accepted
20:41:49 <MSEder> topic: lc51
20:42:11 <MSEder> mark: accepted
20:42:24 <MSEder> topic: lc52
20:42:55 <MSEder> mark: message ID vs. message ID
20:43:11 <MSEder> ... use message cap. I cap. D
20:44:14 <MSEder> mark: lc42 43 48 49 51 accepted
20:44:24 <MSEder> topic: lc53
20:45:00 <MSEder> mark: MAP and MEP should be introduced, WSDL comment
20:45:46 <MSEder> jonathan: Not use MAP
20:46:27 <MSEder> ... agreed
20:46:45 <MSEder> mark: Paul will respond to self
20:46:51 <MSEder> topic: lc59
20:47:39 <MSEder> mark: no objection
20:47:50 <MSEder> topic: lc63
20:48:35 <dhull> s/determine whether they should use/determine whether to use/
20:49:04 <MSEder> mark:Editorial suggestions accepted 
20:49:09 <MSEder> topic lc64
20:49:58 <MSEder> Mark: Give to editors to deal with - accepted
20:50:24 <MSEder> topic: lc67
20:50:42 <MSEder> mark: Last of the editorial work 
20:50:54 <MSEder> ... no objection - accepted
20:51:09 <MSEder> topic: Agenda item 5
20:51:59 <mnot> Topic: lc6 / lc35
20:52:01 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/mid/7DA77BF2392448449D094BCEF67569A507609918@RED-MSG-30.redmond.corp.microsoft.com
20:53:13 <MSEder> joathan: nothing really changed from his original proposal
20:53:56 <MSEder> mark: Jonathan answer to most people's questions
20:54:36 <MSEder> dhull: what are the current fault  requirements
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20:58:11 <MSEder> jonathan: we could  define what a conformant reply would be
20:59:18 <MSEder> jonathan: suggests that David right up to a better discussion of endpoint performance
20:59:31 <MSEder> dhull: feels he has already done that
21:01:07 <MSEder> marc: once you start using any of the WS addressing structures you should conform to the specification
21:03:01 <MSEder> jonathan: if the message has any of the headers from the WS address space then we can assess the performance of the message
21:03:14 <MSEder> ... what does it mean to check
21:04:35 <MSEder> jonathan: intention was to define what to return if you detect a specific error
21:05:54 <MSEder> dhull: agrees ... but it is not clear
21:06:21 <MSEder> ... what behavior falls out after you clarify it
21:08:34 <MSEder> paco: for the sake of clarity likes Jonathan's proposal
21:10:31 <MSEder> dhull: going from ambiguous semantics to not ambiguous semantics requires changing the semantics
21:12:03 <Zakim> -Glen_Daniels
21:12:17 <MSEder> jonathan: does not feel it is necessary to change his proposal
21:15:03 <MSEder> dhull: have put together a proposal of how to solve this issue
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21:19:20 <anish> q+
21:20:12 <MSEder> umit: suggests that David write test proposals
21:20:13 <mnot> ack anish
21:21:02 <mnot> David's message: http://www.w3.org/mid/4277C95A.8060606@tibco.com
21:21:04 <dhull> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2005May/0029.html
21:21:29 <dhull> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2005May/0031.html
21:22:01 <MSEder> jonathan: he could augment his proposal 
21:22:15 <uyalcina> +1 to Anish's suggestion
21:22:55 <MSEder> ... conformance to the soap binding spec implies conformance to core as well
21:23:28 <MSEder> dhull: this would address some of his concerns about clarity
21:24:36 <MSEder> mark: Jonathan to make revision of his proposal - David should review it
21:25:52 <mnot> ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35
21:26:06 <MSEder> .... agreement, David will bring up another last call issue 
21:29:35 <MSEder> jonathan: there are some must statements in the core, they can only be tested once you do SOAP binding
21:31:00 <MSEder> dhull: this may not be testable with a binding that is not soapy
21:31:44 <MSEder> topic: lc20
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21:32:17 <MSEder> mark: discussed in detail at the face-to-face
21:32:22 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/5/04/19-ws-addr-minutes.html#item20
21:32:58 <MSEder> ... what is the nature of the anonymous URI - no discussion on list
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21:36:07 <MSEder> topic: lc33
21:36:16 <MSEder> topic: lc33
21:42:06 <MSEder> mark: combine Jonathan's and Marc's suggestions
21:42:40 <MSEder> topic: lc34
21:43:03 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/mid/ac5d0b7ae0f3905c93a843d5f2cdcec4@Sun.COM
21:43:08 <marc> ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33
21:43:09 <MSEder> Mark:  Marc to write back on Jonathan's proposal
21:44:19 <MSEder> jonathan: OK with Marc's suggestion
21:47:45 <anish> q+
21:47:57 <MSEder> umit: should be role or ultimate receiver
21:48:43 <mnot> ack anish
21:49:00 <MSEder> marc: we should not qualify the receiver
21:49:43 <MSEder> anish: Role  a node takes is an implementation issue
21:51:46 <mnot> zakim, who is here?
21:51:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, plh-home, MarkN, Mark_Peel, Marc_Hadley, Mark_Peel.a, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt, Umit_Yalcinalp, TonyR (muted), Ugo_Corda,
21:51:49 <Zakim> ... Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted), Gudge, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder (muted), anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb
21:51:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jonathan, Nilo, MSEder, Paco, pauld, anish, Gudge, RebeccaB, dhull, TonyR, uyalcina, bob, mlpeel, marc, plh-home, RRSAgent, Zakim, mnot, hugo
21:58:03 <MSEder> jonathan: safest is to say, all nodes are treated equally
21:58:41 <MSEder> mark:  accept Jonathan's proposal- closed
21:59:29 <marc> ACTION: marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34
21:59:40 <MSEder> mark: Other groups want some more time
21:59:48 <Zakim> -[IBM]
21:59:49 <Zakim> -pauld
21:59:50 <Zakim> -DOrchard
21:59:51 <Zakim> - +1.408.748.aabb
21:59:52 <Zakim> -Mark_Peel
21:59:53 <MSEder> zakim, list participants
21:59:53 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
21:59:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, Mark_Little, MarkN, Mark_Peel, plh-home, Marc_Hadley, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt, Umit_Yalcinalp,
21:59:59 <Zakim> ... Ugo_Corda, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Gudge, Glen, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder, anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb, Glen_Daniels
22:00:02 <Zakim> -Rebecca_Bergersen
22:00:03 <Zakim> -Gudge
22:00:05 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
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22:00:07 <Zakim> -anish
22:00:08 <Zakim> -Marc_Hadley
22:00:09 <Zakim> -Mark_Peel.a
22:00:10 <Zakim> -Nilo_Mitra
22:00:12 <Zakim> -Ugo_Corda
22:00:14 <Zakim> -Umit_Yalcinalp
22:00:16 <Zakim> - +1.425.498.aaaa
22:00:17 <Zakim> -Andreas_Bjarlestam
22:00:18 <MSEder> RRSAgent, generate minutes
22:00:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html MSEder
22:00:19 <Zakim> -MarkN
22:00:21 <Zakim> -TonyR
22:00:23 <Zakim> -Paul_Knight
22:00:25 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
22:00:27 <Zakim> -Dave_Hull
22:00:29 <Zakim> -plh-home
22:01:13 <MSEder> zakim, bye
22:01:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, Mark_Little, MarkN, Mark_Peel, plh-home, Marc_Hadley, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt,
22:01:13 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ws-addr
22:01:16 <Zakim> ... Umit_Yalcinalp, Ugo_Corda, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Gudge, Glen, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder, anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb,
22:01:19 <Zakim> ... Glen_Daniels
22:02:01 <MSEder> DDD
22:02:17 <MSEder> rRRSAgent, bye
22:02:20 <plh-home> rsagent, generate minutes
22:02:23 <plh-home> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html plh-home
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22:04:07 <plh-home> rrsagent, bye
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items:
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 refrence (make it like the others) [1]
22:04:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T20-37-51
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo> [2]
22:04:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T20-38-10
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35 [3]
22:04:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-25-52
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33 [4]
22:04:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-43-08
22:04:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34 [5]
22:04:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-59-29