IRC log of ws-addr on 2005-05-09

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18:37:27 [mnot]
zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
18:37:27 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, mnot
18:37:38 [mnot]
zakim, this will be ws_
18:37:38 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, mnot
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zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
19:16:42 [Zakim]
ok, mnot; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 44 minutes
19:16:53 [mnot]
Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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Chair: Mark Nottingham
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/48b6f05d4907cbd0ef00f3845ba5f7d1@bea.com
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
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+Bob_Freund
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+Paul_Knight
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+Nilo_Mitra
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+Mark_Little
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zakim, call plh-home
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ok, plh-home; the call is being made
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+Plh
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+MarkN
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zakim, mute me
20:00:24 [Zakim]
sorry, plh-home, I do not see a party named 'plh-home'
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+Mark_Peel
20:00:32 [plh-home]
zakim, plh is me
20:00:32 [Zakim]
+plh-home; got it
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zakim, mute me
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plh-home should now be muted
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+Marc_Hadley
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+Mark_Peel.a
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+Rebecca_Bergersen
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+Tom_Rutt
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+Umit_Yalcinalp
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+??P14
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zakim, ??p14 ismme
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I don't understand '??p14 ismme', TonyR
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+Ugo_Corda
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zakim, ??p14 is me
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+TonyR; got it
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zakim, mute me please
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TonyR should now be muted
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+Jonathan_Marsh
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zakim, who is making noise?
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mnot, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (14%), Nilo_Mitra (14%), Mark_Little (19%), Marc_Hadley (34%)
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+Andreas_Bjarlestam
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+Gudge
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+Glen
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+Dave_Hull
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+ +1.425.498.aaaa
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+MSEder
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+??P22
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zakim, why are you deaf to my tonepad?
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I don't understand your question, pauld.
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+DOrchard
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+pauld
20:07:14 [stevewinkler]
Scribe: stevewinkler
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+[IBM]
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zakim, mute me
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MSEder should now be muted
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+ +1.408.748.aabb
20:09:22 [stevewinkler]
Call for corrections to minutes.
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Minutes from May 2 approved.
20:09:41 [mnot]
TOPIC: Review Action Items
20:09:56 [plh-home]
zakim, unmute me
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plh-home should no longer be muted
20:10:50 [stevewinkler]
Phillip: No w3c policy surrounding WSDL document split.
20:11:58 [stevewinkler]
phllip: there is a normative reference to WSDL 1.1 in the charter.
20:12:03 [stevewinkler]
phillip: During the member submission process, we received lots of requests for a WSDL 1.1. binding.
20:12:52 [stevewinkler]
phillip: if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and AE.
20:12:56 [anish]
q+
20:14:29 [Marsh]
s/AE/AB/
20:14:34 [MSEder]
zakim, unmute me
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MSEder should no longer be muted
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s/Phillip/Philippe/g
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s/phllip/Philippe/
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zakim, mute me
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MSEder should now be muted
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phillip: if the working group really wants this change we need to discuss that within AC and AE.
20:15:54 [mnot]
ack anish
20:16:12 [pauld]
s/phillip/philippe/g
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Scribe: MSEder
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... will cause a delay in any case
20:21:04 [MSEder]
mark: sounds like a significant delay, if we choose to split the document
20:21:28 [MSEder]
mark: lc7 and lc13
20:22:20 [MSEder]
.... going through last call issues already assigned
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... last call issues raised by dimms
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.... lc40 extra question mark In example 31
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s|and AE|and/or AB|
20:26:12 [MSEder]
jonathan: close with no action, sections have been renumbered.
20:27:45 [MSEder]
umit: will raise another editorial issue
20:28:14 [MSEder]
lc 40 closed
20:28:23 [mnot]
Topic: lc41
20:28:25 [Marsh]
Marc, I also see a typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo>
20:28:31 [Marsh]
closing tag name...
20:28:59 [MSEder]
jonathan: values is correct
20:29:16 [MSEder]
... recommends no change
20:29:19 [TonyR]
makes sense to me
20:29:39 [MSEder]
mark: close LC 41 with no action
20:29:52 [MSEder]
topic: lc42
20:30:38 [MSEder]
mark: change order of abstract properties ... and will accept proposal
20:30:48 [MSEder]
topic: lc43
20:31:33 [MSEder]
mark: Marc and will check this editorial
20:31:54 [MSEder]
... already part of this taking care of
20:31:58 [MSEder]
topic lc44
20:32:24 [MSEder]
mark: recommends using OR
20:32:39 [MSEder]
gudge: thinks it is correct
20:33:37 [MSEder]
mark: accept
20:33:51 [MSEder]
topic: lc45
20:35:39 [Zakim]
-Glen
20:35:46 [plh-home]
http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#References
20:36:23 [MSEder]
mark: extra periods - some editorial issue to be resolved
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... close with no action
20:37:23 [MSEder]
topic: lc47
20:37:31 [MSEder]
mark: bad URLs
20:37:51 [mnot]
ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 refrence (make it like the others)
20:38:10 [marc]
ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo>
20:38:14 [MSEder]
mark: close with no action'
20:39:44 [MSEder]
mark: lc47 will fix 1st RL
20:39:52 [plh-home]
[[ <a name="WSDL20" id="WSDL20"></a>[WSDL 2.0]</dt>
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<dd><cite><a href="">Web Services Description Language
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2.0</a></cite>, ]]
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s/RL/URL/
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s/RFC3987/RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs)
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s/RFC3987/RFC3987 (in both Core and SOAP binding specs)/
20:40:46 [MSEder]
topic: lc48
20:41:11 [MSEder]
mark: might be fixed
20:41:20 [MSEder]
topic: lc49
20:41:34 [Zakim]
+Glen_Daniels
20:41:37 [MSEder]
mark: accepted
20:41:49 [MSEder]
topic: lc51
20:42:11 [MSEder]
mark: accepted
20:42:24 [MSEder]
topic: lc52
20:42:55 [MSEder]
mark: message ID vs. message ID
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... use message cap. I cap. D
20:44:14 [MSEder]
mark: lc42 43 48 49 51 accepted
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topic: lc53
20:45:00 [MSEder]
mark: MAP and MEP should be introduced, WSDL comment
20:45:46 [MSEder]
jonathan: Not use MAP
20:46:15 [MSEder]
mark: expand MAP and MEP
20:46:27 [MSEder]
... agreed
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mark: Paul will respond to self
20:46:51 [MSEder]
topic: lc59
20:47:39 [MSEder]
mark: no objection
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topic: lc63
20:48:35 [dhull]
s/determine whether they should use/determine whether to use/
20:49:04 [MSEder]
mark:Editorial suggestions accepted
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topic lc64
20:49:58 [MSEder]
Mark: Give to editors to deal with - accepted
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topic: lc67
20:50:42 [MSEder]
mark: Last of the editorial work
20:50:54 [MSEder]
... no objection - accepted
20:51:09 [MSEder]
topic: Agenda item 5
20:51:59 [mnot]
Topic: lc6 / lc35
20:52:01 [mnot]
http://www.w3.org/mid/7DA77BF2392448449D094BCEF67569A507609918@RED-MSG-30.redmond.corp.microsoft.com
20:53:13 [MSEder]
joathan: nothing really changed from his original proposal
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mark: Jonathan answer to most people's questions
20:54:36 [MSEder]
dhull: what are the current fault requirements
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-Mark_Little
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jonathan: we could define what a conformant reply would be
20:59:18 [MSEder]
jonathan: suggests that David right up to a better discussion of endpoint performance
20:59:31 [MSEder]
dhull: feels he has already done that
21:01:07 [MSEder]
marc: once you start using any of the WS addressing structures you should conform to the specification
21:03:01 [MSEder]
jonathan: if the message has any of the headers from the WS address space then we can assess the performance of the message
21:03:14 [MSEder]
... what does it mean to check
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jonathan: intention was to define what to return if you detect a specific error
21:05:54 [MSEder]
dhull: agrees ... but it is not clear
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... what behavior falls out after you clarify it
21:08:34 [MSEder]
paco: for the sake of clarity likes Jonathan's proposal
21:10:31 [MSEder]
dhull: going from ambiguous semantics to not ambiguous semantics requires changing the semantics
21:12:03 [Zakim]
-Glen_Daniels
21:12:17 [MSEder]
jonathan: does not feel it is necessary to change his proposal
21:15:03 [MSEder]
dhull: have put together a proposal of how to solve this issue
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q+
21:20:12 [MSEder]
umit: suggests that David write test proposals
21:20:13 [mnot]
ack anish
21:21:02 [mnot]
David's message: http://www.w3.org/mid/4277C95A.8060606@tibco.com
21:21:04 [dhull]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2005May/0029.html
21:21:29 [dhull]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2005May/0031.html
21:22:01 [MSEder]
jonathan: he could augment his proposal
21:22:15 [uyalcina]
+1 to Anish's suggestion
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... conformance to the soap binding spec implies conformance to core as well
21:23:28 [MSEder]
dhull: this would address some of his concerns about clarity
21:24:36 [MSEder]
mark: Jonathan to make revision of his proposal - David should review it
21:25:52 [mnot]
ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35
21:26:06 [MSEder]
.... agreement, David will bring up another last call issue
21:29:35 [MSEder]
jonathan: there are some must statements in the core, they can only be tested once you do SOAP binding
21:31:00 [MSEder]
dhull: this may not be testable with a binding that is not soapy
21:31:44 [MSEder]
topic: lc20
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mark: discussed in detail at the face-to-face
21:32:22 [mnot]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/5/04/19-ws-addr-minutes.html#item20
21:32:58 [MSEder]
... what is the nature of the anonymous URI - no discussion on list
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topic: lc33
21:36:16 [MSEder]
topic: lc33
21:42:06 [MSEder]
mark: combine Jonathan's and Marc's suggestions
21:42:40 [MSEder]
topic: lc34
21:43:03 [mnot]
http://www.w3.org/mid/ac5d0b7ae0f3905c93a843d5f2cdcec4@Sun.COM
21:43:08 [marc]
ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33
21:43:09 [MSEder]
Mark: Marc to write back on Jonathan's proposal
21:44:19 [MSEder]
jonathan: OK with Marc's suggestion
21:47:45 [anish]
q+
21:47:57 [MSEder]
umit: should be role or ultimate receiver
21:48:43 [mnot]
ack anish
21:49:00 [MSEder]
marc: we should not qualify the receiver
21:49:43 [MSEder]
anish: Role a node takes is an implementation issue
21:51:46 [mnot]
zakim, who is here?
21:51:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, plh-home, MarkN, Mark_Peel, Marc_Hadley, Mark_Peel.a, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt, Umit_Yalcinalp, TonyR (muted), Ugo_Corda,
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... Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted), Gudge, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder (muted), anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb
21:51:51 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Jonathan, Nilo, MSEder, Paco, pauld, anish, Gudge, RebeccaB, dhull, TonyR, uyalcina, bob, mlpeel, marc, plh-home, RRSAgent, Zakim, mnot, hugo
21:58:03 [MSEder]
jonathan: safest is to say, all nodes are treated equally
21:58:41 [MSEder]
mark: accept Jonathan's proposal- closed
21:59:29 [marc]
ACTION: marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34
21:59:40 [MSEder]
mark: Other groups want some more time
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-[IBM]
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-pauld
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-DOrchard
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- +1.408.748.aabb
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-Mark_Peel
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zakim, list participants
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-Bob_Freund
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As of this point the attendees have been Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, Mark_Little, MarkN, Mark_Peel, plh-home, Marc_Hadley, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt, Umit_Yalcinalp,
21:59:59 [Zakim]
... Ugo_Corda, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Gudge, Glen, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder, anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb, Glen_Daniels
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-Rebecca_Bergersen
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-Gudge
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-Jonathan_Marsh
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-anish
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-Marc_Hadley
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-Mark_Peel.a
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-Nilo_Mitra
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-Ugo_Corda
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-Umit_Yalcinalp
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- +1.425.498.aaaa
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-Andreas_Bjarlestam
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RRSAgent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html MSEder
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-MarkN
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-TonyR
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-Paul_Knight
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-Tom_Rutt
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-Dave_Hull
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-plh-home
22:01:13 [MSEder]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bob_Freund, Paul_Knight, Nilo_Mitra, Mark_Little, MarkN, Mark_Peel, plh-home, Marc_Hadley, Rebecca_Bergersen, Tom_Rutt,
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... Umit_Yalcinalp, Ugo_Corda, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Gudge, Glen, Dave_Hull, +1.425.498.aaaa, MSEder, anish, DOrchard, pauld, [IBM], +1.408.748.aabb,
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... Glen_Daniels
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DDD
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rRRSAgent, bye
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rsagent, generate minutes
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-minutes.html plh-home
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 5 open action items:
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ACTION: Editors to fix RFC3987 refrence (make it like the others) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T20-37-51
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ACTION: Editors to fix typo in that 3.1 pseudo-syntax, last line: <wsa:ReferenceParameters>xs:any*</wsa:FaultTo> [2]
22:04:07 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T20-38-10
22:04:07 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Jonathan to revise proposal for LC6/LC35 [3]
22:04:07 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-25-52
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ACTION: Marc to write back to Jonathan re issue 33 [4]
22:04:07 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-43-08
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ACTION: marc to respond to Jonathan re issue lc34 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/05/09-ws-addr-irc#T21-59-29