IRC log of tagmem on 2005-04-26

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16:59:52 [noah]: zakim, who is here?
16:59:52 [Zakim]: On the phone I see TimBL, ??P11
16:59:55 [Zakim]: On IRC I see noah, RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC
17:00:22 [Zakim]: +[IBMCambridge]
17:00:29 [noah]: zakim, [IBMCambridge] is me
17:00:29 [Zakim]: +noah; got it
17:00:34 [Zakim]: +[INRIA]
17:00:52 [Zakim]: +norm
17:01:09 [Vincent]: Zakim, INRIA is Vincent
17:01:09 [Zakim]: +Vincent; got it
17:01:30 [noah]: Topic: Tag teleconference of 26-April-2005
17:01:35 [noah]: scribe: Noah Mendelsohn
17:01:39 [noah]: scribenick: noah
17:01:49 [Zakim]: +Roy_Fielding
17:01:54 [noah]: Meeting: Tag teleconference of 26-April-2005
17:02:08 [Vincent]: Zakim, who is here
17:02:08 [Zakim]: Vincent, you need to end that query with '?'
17:02:18 [Vincent]: Zakim, who is here?
17:02:18 [Zakim]: On the phone I see TimBL, ??P11, noah, Vincent, norm, Roy_Fielding
17:02:19 [Roy]: Roy has joined #tagmem
17:02:19 [Zakim]: On IRC I see noah, RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC
17:02:29 [noah]: Chair: Vincent Quint
17:03:08 [noah]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Apr/0083.html
17:04:11 [Zakim]: -Roy_Fielding
17:04:43 [Zakim]: +Roy_Fielding
17:05:03 [noah]: Topic: Attendance
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17:05:43 [noah]: Regrets: David Orchard, Dan Connolly (seems to be on IRC)
17:05:49 [noah]: Missing for now: Henry Thompson
17:06:12 [ht]: zakim, please call ht-781
17:06:12 [Zakim]: ok, ht; the call is being made
17:06:14 [Zakim]: +Ht
17:06:37 [noah]: Present: Roy Fielding, Vincent Quint, Tim Berners-Lee, Noah Mendelsohn, Norm Walsh, Ed Rice
17:06:42 [noah]: Topic: Future Regrets
17:06:56 [noah]: May 10th: Norm and Tim will be unavailable
17:07:01 [noah]: May 17th: Tim at risk
17:07:21 [noah]: May 3rd: no regrets for now
17:07:24 [timbl]: I note May 10th is the WWW conference in Chiba Japan
17:07:42 [noah]: s/Future Regrets/Future Meetings/
17:08:06 [noah]: For next week, scribes will be: David Orchard if available, otherwise Norm Walsh
17:08:15 [noah]: Topic: Approval of previous minutes
17:08:44 [noah]: Review of: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/04/19-minutes.html
17:08:54 [noah]: Norm: haven't reviewed but no problem if others agree.
17:09:21 [noah]: RESOLUTION: Minutes of April 19th accepted (http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/04/19-minutes.html)
17:09:33 [noah]: Henry reports that he has been on phone for past 5 minutes
17:09:55 [noah]: Topic: TAG Publications and "Heartbeats"
17:10:35 [noah]: Norm sent a note (member only) on errata: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Apr/0036.html
17:10:39 [noah]: VQ: do we have errata?
17:10:56 [noah]: NW: yes, 3 or 4 reported to comments list, all editorial
17:11:17 [noah]: ACTION: Norm to gather errata list for consideration next week.
17:12:12 [noah]: NW: RDDL to do may be mine. It had history with Tim Bray, then Paul Cotton, both now gone.
17:12:31 [noah]: NW: I've somewhat lost track of where it stands, but I'll take the lead if we figure out what we want to do.
17:13:07 [noah]: NW: The AC asked the TAG to produce a rec-track document, presumably based on RDDL.
17:13:12 [noah]: VQ: Do we have a draft?
17:13:13 [noah]: NW: No.
17:13:48 [noah]: NW: I'm willing to produce if asked to do so, either based on RDDL 1.0 or something else. What do we want to do.
17:13:49 [ht]: Would prefer 1.0
17:13:57 [noah]: s/do./do?/
17:14:36 [noah]: NW: ht has pointed out use of RDDL 1.0 in some W3C specs. Microsoft is also deploying?
17:14:51 [noah]: TBL: Are you saying TAG should produce a Rec?
17:14:56 [noah]: NW: AC asked us to.
17:15:23 [noah]: TBL: GRDDL affects this, no?
17:15:32 [noah]: HT: Solves a different problem.
17:15:36 [noah]: TBL: Why?
17:16:08 [noah]: HT: RDDL solves, what should you do specifically with namespaces. GRDDL is about: "I've got a doc that serves two purposes (1) to be an XML document and (2) how to harvest metadata"
17:16:38 [noah]: TBL: GRDDL allows you to extract (RDF?) information from something that is not in RDF form.
17:17:05 [noah]: NW: One of the objections to earlier Namespace formats was that they were not in RDF and should have been. GRDDL takes the heat off of that.
17:17:17 [noah]: HT: Some of the problems we're solving don't need all the RDF mechanism.
17:17:30 [noah]: TBL: Yes, but for the many namespaces built for RDF it makes great sense.
17:17:50 [noah]: TBL: For a semantic web language, then OWL should be the language of the namespace document.
17:18:04 [noah]: HT: Historically, we decided early that there was no single thing you wanted to say about a namespace.
17:18:23 [noah]: HT: Among the many such things is what the RDF schema is, what the XML Schema is for the serialization.
17:19:04 [noah]: TBL: I understand. I think you need to divide the cases. XML Schema makes no sense for RDF vocabularies.
17:19:40 [noah]: HT: But with GRDDL it does make sense. It gives me license to author in colloquial XML a document that is known to contain RDF statements.
17:19:49 [noah]: HT: For such a document, all of that makes sense.
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17:20:13 [noah]: TBL: That makes sense, except that when I extract the RDF information I would not expect the extracted doc to be in the same namespace.
17:20:14 [Norm]: zakim, mute me
17:20:14 [Zakim]: norm should now be muted
17:20:17 [noah]: HT: OK, makes sense.
17:20:45 [Norm]: zakim, who's here?
17:20:45 [Zakim]: On the phone I see TimBL, ??P11, noah, Vincent, norm (muted), Roy_Fielding, Ht
17:20:47 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Norm, timbl, Roy, noah, RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, Vincent, ht, DanC
17:20:57 [noah]: HT: Still, my point is that the original RDDL was based on the presumption was that there would be more than one document of interest, and that it would contain pointers to one or more things as necessary.
17:21:13 [noah]: TBL: Well, only if we say that this is only for non-semantic web namespaces.
17:21:33 [Norm]: zakim, unmute me
17:21:33 [Zakim]: norm should no longer be muted
17:21:44 [noah]: HT: I'm less convinced than you that the differences matter, but I can easily live with a statement that at least for now, the RDDL approach is aimed at non-semantic web namespaces.
17:21:52 [Norm]: zakim, who's talking?
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17:21:59 [noah]: HT: Information please: does OWL say use it as a namespaces doc?
17:22:03 [Zakim]: Norm, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TimBL (71%), ??P11 (43%), Vincent (19%)
17:22:21 [timbl]: q?
17:22:26 [Roy]: q+
17:22:27 [noah]: TBL: No, but the TAG did some sort of best practices note (can't fine right now) says do that, and I think it's common practice.
17:23:01 [noah]: HT: OK, so finding might say: if (isSementicWeb) then {use owl} else {use RDDL}
17:23:27 [noah]: NW: I'm not convinced that using RDDL for all is bad, with the RDDL pointing to the OWL. I want human readable documentation, etc.
17:23:47 [noah]: NW: I'm thinking of Ed Dumbill's work on software project descriptions. It's both RDF and not.
17:23:59 [ht]: DOAP
17:24:03 [noah]: NW: I don't totally disagree with Tim, but I'm not totally convinced either.
17:24:10 [noah]: TBL: what's he really done?
17:24:12 [Roy]: pointer to RDDL in minutes?
17:24:17 [ht]: http://usefulinc.com/doap
17:24:31 [noah]: NW: A constrained RDF that's usable as XML.
17:24:32 [ht]: http://www.rddl.org/
17:24:38 [noah]: TBL: right, that's the tricky case
17:25:40 [noah]: TBL: specifically because there's an issue of whether the fragid identifies the concept or the markup
17:25:50 [noah]: HT: argh, not httpRange-14!
17:26:17 [noah]: NRM: No, smaller than httpRange-14. We need to ask what's the media type in this case, and what answer is given to Tim's question about fragids.
17:26:19 [Roy]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-webarch-20041215/#namespace-document
17:26:21 [Vincent]: ack Roy
17:27:14 [ht]: q+ ht
17:27:20 [noah]: RF: We've been around this before. Key question is: what's the requirement for the document? I think we had consensus on one thing, which is that the key requirement is that it be human readable.
17:27:28 [Norm]: Roy is right, we did come to consensus on that point
17:27:33 [noah]: TBL: I'm not sure we said that. For some cases, machine readiable is important.
17:27:42 [noah]: s/readiable/readable/
17:28:07 [timbl]: I don't think we had a consensus that human readable was primary. Tim Bray said so strongly. I am prepared to defend strongly the semantic web use of OWL and RDF in general.
17:28:18 [noah]: RF: I mostly don't want to go around same ground again. Ideally, it's useful for human purposes and machine readable as necessary.
17:29:25 [noah]: TBL: We have a current suite of specs that tell a semantic web agent how to go out and find semantic web information. This would require a new spec and engineering into future software. Is this a good thing to require for agents?
17:29:35 [Vincent]: ack ht
17:29:38 [noah]: TBL: In fact, you can use a stylesheet to make an owl doc human readable
17:29:50 [noah]: HT: We did this for W3C XML schema
17:30:07 [Norm]: If the cost of the redirect is too expensive, then the cost of the retreival is probably too expensive too.
17:30:19 [noah]: HT: The rec was written to allow you to implement indirection through things like namespace documents. Most implementations do the right thing when a RDDL doc comes back.
17:30:45 [noah]: HT: This is a relevant precedent. It was easy and lightweight. About 10 lines of code in the validators I built.
17:31:11 [noah]: TBL: Most of this software has no XML processing software, except for limited purposes.
17:31:23 [noah]: RF: They're not extensible for new media types.
17:31:34 [Roy]: s/./?/
17:31:36 [noah]: TBL: There's no XML schema processing in the RDF processors.
17:32:17 [Roy]: q?
17:32:23 [noah]: HT: You've misunderstood. I'm only drawing a parallel. I'm pointing out that the fact that it was easy to add to XML schema processors suggests it will be equally easy to add such indirection to RDF processors.
17:33:08 [noah]: TBL: Adding something simple to an existing system to something that's currently simple and complete results in a kind of complication.
17:34:07 [noah]: q+ to ask how sem. web namespaces are the same and different from others
17:34:58 [noah]: TBL: e.g., using different DTD syntax for XML complicated everything
17:35:45 [noah]: TBL: Even using the XML stuff for RDF was a complication, but it would be good to hold the line there. OWL is in RDF, so we can get into that world quite quickly and cleanly.
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17:36:12 [Vincent]: ack noah
17:36:12 [Zakim]: noah, you wanted to ask how sem. web namespaces are the same and different from others
17:36:12 [Roy]: q+ to ask if there are any examples of such an OWL namespace description to look at
17:39:03 [Norm]: q?
17:39:29 [Vincent]: ack Roy
17:39:29 [Zakim]: Roy, you wanted to ask if there are any examples of such an OWL namespace description to look at
17:39:35 [ht]: I always thought it was the XSL WG's requirement that produced Namespaces. . .
17:40:07 [noah]: NRM: Tim tells us that sem. web. is a clean closed consistent world, but some of the complication comes from the fact that it shares a namespace mechanism with a wider XML world.
17:40:18 [ht]: DanC, are you happy with the XRI response?
17:40:25 [Norm]: http://localhost:8123/2005/04/26/atom.rdf
17:40:26 [Norm]: http://norman.walsh.name/2005/04/26/atom.rdf
17:40:40 [noah]: NRM: This allows a nice "pun", in which the serialization of an RDF namespace is the corresponding (same) XML namespace. We also can reference XML datatypes.
17:40:57 [DanC]: I think so, ht. the one I reviewed and commented on was pretty close, and I assume the subsequent edits remain in that neighborhood
17:41:35 [noah]: NRM: This will pop up on one side or the other: if we want the sem web side to be clean and consistent, then the story about namespaces as a whole gets more complicated. If we have a uniform story about all namespaces (e.g. RDDL), then the sem. web side gets a bit more complicated. Take your choice.
17:41:53 [noah]: NW: Well, if we need a special case for something like semantic web, I'm not sure it's worth doing at all.
17:41:53 [timbl]: I have :)
17:42:01 [timbl]: (taken my choice)
17:42:31 [noah]: VQ: Time's about up. I had hoped we could decide about publishing something based on RDDL? Looks like 'no'.
17:42:49 [noah]: VQ: Let me ask the original question again: is there anything we could publish as a heartbeat from the WG?
17:42:56 [noah]: TBL: Note or working draft?
17:43:11 [noah]: VQ: Working draft would make requirement heartbeat. Do you have any in mind, Tim?
17:43:20 [Zakim]: +DanC
17:43:20 [noah]: TBL: No. Norm said he would write something.
17:43:31 [noah]: Dan appears to have joined the call.
17:44:02 [noah]: NW: I'm reluctant to write draft without consensus on what high level approach to attempt.
17:44:42 [ht]: q+ to say _if_ we are happy with RDDL 1.0, _then_ we can do a NOTE real quick
17:44:55 [Vincent]: ack DanC
17:44:55 [noah]: TBL: We're being lured into grabbing an answer that's lying around. This sounds like a job that's more suited to a WG that would focus on it more seriously. When we started this, RDDL looked pretty well baked.
17:45:45 [noah]: DC: We have to publish something or close the group, or get permission from the director to continue anyway. We don't have to decide what it is today.
17:46:30 [noah]: VQ: My understanding is RDDL is not ready for pub soon, and I'm asking if we have anything else to publish.
17:46:58 [noah]: TBL: What about asking Norm to write a finding discussing the RDDL/OWL questions in relation to namespaces.
17:47:12 [noah]: s/namespaces./namespaces?/
17:47:28 [DanC]: (pls let the record show we're discussing issue namespaceDocument-8, not just the heartbeat publishing requirement)
17:47:37 [noah]: NW: I could pull together a short finding talking about earlier RDDL work, and today's discussion.
17:47:42 [noah]: TBL: Would OWL be in there?
17:47:58 [noah]: NW: Yes, if it belongs at all. I know where I'd like it to come out, but this finding is where it all belongs.
17:48:07 [noah]: NW: Will try to do something this week.
17:48:09 [ht]: q- ht
17:48:15 [ht]: q+ ht
17:48:53 [noah]: DC: You're going to hit all kinds of fun stuff, such as the fact that rddl.org is a non-w3c basis for a namespace name.
17:49:49 [noah]: VQ: what's on the agenda was dan's proposal to publish something based on RDDL.
17:49:55 [noah]: DC: that was an aside.
17:50:57 [noah]: HT: I could possibly move along the finding on issue 50, which would give us something to publish.
17:51:07 [DanC]: (what HT is drafting on issue 50... doing that as a /TR/ publication would be different from the way we've done findings in the past, but not a bad idea)
17:51:25 [noah]: VQ: That would give us a first WD
17:51:37 [noah]: HT: Right, that's what I meant.
17:51:49 [noah]: HT: Do findings count as tech reports.
17:52:02 [noah]: s/tech reports/heartbeats/
17:52:06 [noah]: DC: No
17:52:17 [noah]: HT: We need discussion on that meta topic.
17:52:46 [noah]: HT: We are not working primarily in a Rec mode, and should not do backflips to fit into a process not tuned to our needs.
17:52:55 [noah]: VQ: Yes, we should discuss that.
17:52:59 [timbl]: TBL: I agree with HT
17:53:03 [DanC]: (I don't mind changing the rules. My job as team contact is to enforce them or change them. I'm happy to do either.)
17:53:18 [noah]: NRM: At next meeting?
17:53:21 [noah]: VQ: yes.
17:53:57 [noah]: VQ: Henry, can you make progress in issue 50 anyway?
17:54:03 [noah]: HT: Yes, I intend to try.
17:54:20 [noah]: Topic: Planning next F2F meeting in Boston
17:54:59 [noah]: VQ: We started some discussion about what we should do as next technical document, that we should prepare in advance, but should do that mainly face to face.
17:54:59 [Roy]: q+ to suggest we have a F2F goal for a REC track webarch volume 2 that contains only an outline
17:55:04 [noah]: This is a reminder to start that discussion.
17:55:13 [noah]: s/This/VQ: This/
17:55:24 [noah]: VQ: Ed, was there something else you wanted to ask?
17:55:42 [noah]: ED: Partly travel plans, partly wanting to focus on issues.
17:56:44 [noah]: VQ; Meeting will start morning of June 14. Some of us will leave early- to mid-afternoon of 3rd day.
17:57:03 [noah]: VQ: Please send travel plans to tag mailing list.
17:57:31 [noah]: q+ to suggest main focus should be on trying to identify what our big themes will be for next year+
17:57:49 [Roy]: 9am
17:58:25 [noah]: VQ: Start time 8AM, Tues, June 14.
17:58:45 [noah]: HT: I'd prefer we go as late as possible on the 3rd day.
17:58:51 [noah]: No conflicts reported.
17:59:04 [noah]: VQ: Since there are no conflicts, we'll go a full day on the 3rd day.
17:59:11 [DanC]: (not sure that was really 8am and not 9am, but probably doesn't matter)
17:59:24 [noah]: (right, we can fine tune later.)
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18:01:07 [ht]: q- ht
18:01:19 [Roy]: ack Roy
18:01:19 [Zakim]: Roy, you wanted to suggest we have a F2F goal for a REC track webarch volume 2 that contains only an outline
18:01:21 [ndw]: ack roy
18:01:31 [Vincent]: q?
18:01:41 [noah]: NRM: I think prioirty and as much time as necessary should be given to figuring out what our big themes are for the coming year or two. Issues should be discussed, but only time permitting.
18:02:07 [noah]: RF: We could try to publish an outline for Web Arch 2. That would take most of 3 days.
18:02:08 [Vincent]: ack noah
18:02:08 [Zakim]: noah, you wanted to suggest main focus should be on trying to identify what our big themes will be for next year+
18:02:14 [DanC]: (yes, let's work on an outline; dunno if I want to publish it)
18:02:19 [Vincent]: ack danc
18:02:19 [Zakim]: DanC, you wanted to ask about xquery namespace study, and timing
18:03:25 [ndw]: DanC, please send those as LC comments!
18:03:37 [noah]: DC: I spent a lot of time working bottom up on the functions and operators stuff.
18:04:41 [noah]: DC: I think I'm suggesting the group spend some time working through those particular details.
18:05:34 [noah]: VQ: Let's wrap up the agenda discussion. I think it will be useful to have a draft agenda early. I will aim for one month in advance, which is mid May.
18:06:08 [noah]: ACTION: Vincent to prepare by mid-May a draft agenda for the June face to face meeting
18:06:09 [ndw]: We've hit my hot list for the f2f: outline WebArch V2, httpRange-14, and the issues DanC mentioned
18:06:18 [noah]: Topic: Feedback on XRI proposal
18:07:37 [noah]: ED: We've had some discussion on tag@w3.org. What's the right order for putting something on www-tag and/or sending to Oasis?
18:07:46 [timbl]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml
18:08:11 [noah]: s/http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml//
18:08:53 [noah]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Apr/0062.html
18:09:31 [noah]: Discussing Henry's (member only) draft at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2005Apr/0062.html
18:09:52 [noah]: DC: we need better links to XRI docs.
18:10:07 [noah]: DC: Actually, this is close enough.
18:11:40 [noah]: TBL: This is good, but somewhat underrepresents level of detail of our analysis. Much better than nothing.
18:11:51 [noah]: HT: Should we point to the httpDNS thread in the public mailing list?
18:12:05 [DanC]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Apr/0076.html for names consisting of an adiminstrative hierarchy and a path, HTTP/DNS is as good as it gets
18:12:19 [noah]: HT: I feel we should reproduce the tag@w3.org discussion on www-tag@w3.org
18:12:24 [noah]: q?
18:13:09 [noah]: q+ to say that summary correctly mentions http scheme as well as protocols, but main body opens with "we also believe that
18:13:09 [noah]: this can be provided with existing HTTP and DNS protocols"
18:13:29 [noah]: HT: I can send a package with all the emails tomorrow.
18:13:35 [DanC]: PROPOSED: to respond to XRI docs ala 0062 in the tag archive, plus public version of technical details discussed in tag@w3.org ...
18:13:49 [noah]: HT: I can then reference that and other threads in the formal response.
18:14:17 [DanC]: PROPOSED: to respond to XRI docs ala 0062 in the tag archive, plus public version of technical details discussed in tag@w3.org by HT, unless show-stoppers are raised within 2 business days
18:14:25 [Ed]: +1
18:14:31 [noah]: VQ: OK, and formal response can go out by Friday after we review
18:14:49 [noah]: VQ: who should send?
18:14:51 [DanC]: mechanics: VQ mail it to www-tag and then copy it into the OASIS form.
18:15:09 [noah]: TBL: Anybody on TAG can do as long as they correctly speak for the TAG.
18:15:24 [noah]: HT: I think it would be more polite from VQ
18:15:54 [noah]: DC: The mechanics of getting feedback to them are more complex than you'd like.
18:16:06 [noah]: TBL: Do email first so at least we have web archive copy for reference.
18:16:46 [DanC]: mechanichs: VQ send to xri-comments@lists.oasis.org, cc www-tag; then take a pointer and put it in the OASIS form
18:17:24 [noah]: NRM: Suggest that Henry's note warn that we owe feedback at end of week, and that we need to focus discussion toward that goal.
18:17:36 [noah]: General agreement to that suggestion.
18:17:45 [noah]: DC: Silence is assent.
18:18:14 [DanC]: RESOLVED: to respond to XRI docs ala 0062 in the tag archive, plus public version of technical details discussed in tag@w3.org by HT, unless show-stoppers are raised within 2 business days
18:18:15 [noah]: VQ: Right, if there's no objection, I'll send Friday France time.
18:19:51 [noah]: Note that the HTTPDNS thread (note) mentioned above is at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Apr/0076.html
18:20:00 [noah]: Topic: Binary XML
18:20:17 [noah]: VQ: I see some progress in email.
18:20:36 [noah]: VQ: Ed, do you feel your action is fulfilled?
18:20:52 [noah]: ED: The working group doesn't exist, where do comments go?
18:21:08 [noah]: DC: Mailing list exists after group is gone. use public-xml-binary@w3.org
18:21:27 [noah]: VQ: Do we expect to do more?
18:21:37 [timbl]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Apr/0059.html
18:21:40 [noah]: DC: Where's the list?
18:21:53 [ndw]: I agreed with Dave's points, it's a good list
18:23:24 [DanC]: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/04/26-agenda.html
18:23:40 [DanC]: DanC has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/04/26-agenda.html
18:24:09 [noah]: Discussing Ed's additions to the list at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Apr/0085.html
18:25:01 [noah]: VQ: Proposal for today is to ask everyone to check this message, and see whether we think this is our reply.
18:27:15 [Vincent]: ack danc
18:27:15 [Zakim]: DanC, you wanted to re-iterate Orchard's concerns about explaining how http/DNS addresses these issues and to
18:27:40 [noah]: NRM: Should we also get ready to signal whether and how we would contribute to the possible chartering of a new WG?
18:27:51 [noah]: TBL: That's the director's decision.
18:28:31 [noah]: NRM: I think it's for the TAG to decide whether they do or don't want to provide input to the director and/or the AC. I'm suggesting it may be constructive to do a round of thinking now about where we stand on that.
18:28:38 [noah]: DC: Do we have a draft response.
18:28:40 [noah]: No.
18:28:46 [noah]: ED: I can try to draft one.
18:29:59 [noah]: DC: I had said we should try to make a decisionon issue 30 before June AC meeting. Because the team may not make that deadline anyway, the need for feedback is less urgent.
18:30:15 [noah]: VQ: Ed's help in refining this is most welcome.
18:30:18 [noah]: ED: Input solicited.
18:30:37 [noah]: NRM: Please extract from email thread as well.
18:30:39 [noah]: ED: Will do.
18:30:45 [noah]: Topic: Closing
18:30:56 [noah]: VQ: Two or three items remain.
18:31:33 [noah]: VQ: Roy, could you look at putMediaType-38. I've looked, just have to write the email. Put on agenda for next week.
18:32:12 [Roy]: I've looked, just have to write the email.
18:32:15 [Zakim]: -norm
18:32:16 [Zakim]: -Vincent
18:32:16 [Zakim]: -noah
18:32:18 [Zakim]: -DanC
18:32:18 [noah]: HT: I sent some email on httpRange-14.
18:32:23 [Ed]: suggest asking Zakim to save agenda world-access
18:32:27 [Zakim]: -??P11
18:32:29 [Zakim]: -TimBL
18:32:33 [noah]: VQ: Please send input for next agenda before next Monday, France time.
18:32:43 [Roy]: rrsagent, pointer?
18:32:43 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2005/04/26-tagmem-irc#T18-32-43
18:32:57 [Roy]: rrsagent, make minutes world readable
18:32:57 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world readable', Roy. Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:33:15 [Ed]: Zakim save agenda world-access
18:33:30 [Ed]: (makes it public and readable)
18:33:48 [Ed]: private logs work as well :)
18:33:54 [noah]: Zakim, save agenda world-access
18:33:54 [Zakim]: the agenda has not been entered yet, noah
18:34:37 [Ed]: This happened to me last time, the IRC log was fine, but there was an invalid date at the start of the log.
18:34:59 [Ed]: I downloaded the IRC, modified the script to fix dates and then re-ran it.
18:35:02 [Zakim]: -Roy_Fielding
18:35:05 [noah]: zakim, bye
18:35:05 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were TimBL, noah, [INRIA], norm, Vincent, Roy_Fielding, Ht, DanC
18:35:05 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #tagmem
18:35:22 [noah]: rrsagent, draft minutes
18:35:22 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/04/26-tagmem-minutes.html noah
18:35:39 [Roy]: RRSAgent, make logs world-access
18:36:00 [ht]: ht has left #tagmem
18:36:29 [noah]: rrsagent, bye
18:36:29 [RRSAgent]: I see 2 open action items:
18:36:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Norm to gather errata list for consideration next week. [1]
18:36:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/04/26-tagmem-irc#T17-11-17
18:36:29 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Vincent to prepare by mid-May a draft agenda for the June face to face meeting [2]
18:36:29 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/04/26-tagmem-irc#T18-06-08