IRC log of ua on 2005-04-12

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Topic: Meeting times

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jg: Should we schedule a regular time for this meeting?

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cl: Mondays are better for me.

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jl: Tuesday ok.

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jg: Assume we want to meet once per month?

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pk: Seems we don't have enough important material to meet more often than that.

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jg: First Monday of every month?

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kyle: First Monday of May is Chinese holiday

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jg: Can meet May 9.

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Topic: Mozilla Accessibility Extension

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jg: We've added table navigation to the Moz accessibility extension.

01:11:51 [JRG]

http://cita.disability.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla

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jg: Looking at mapping roadmap document into HTML 4.01 space.

01:13:30 [mcmay]

jg: Considering linking role element to link element. Link goes into head.

01:13:48 [mcmay]

jg: Using title attrib of link element, can give a description to inform what that element is for.

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jg: Can use href to point to id of object you want to associate.

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jg: Shows up under navigation, table of contents. Looks for link elements and allows people to link to those.

01:14:50 [JRG]

http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/software/mozilla/version_history.html

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jg: Role attributes are displayed similarly to how they will be in XHTML 2.

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pk: Still using dialog boxes, not accesskey?

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jg: Right.

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jg: Still working on direct keyboard shortcuts.

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cl: When you say activate, are you activating the link?

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jg: There are some interesting behaviors, between platforms. Goal is to move focus and not activate anything.

01:18:02 [JRG]

http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/presentations/2005-03-css-tutorial/example/career-redesign-links.html

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jg: We moved navigation up to a main menu selection, so it's a 2-keystroke thing.

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kyle: Shortcuts work in Unix.

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cl: How are you separating layout from data tables?

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jg: Data tables have to have a TH element.

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kyle: Why doesn't accessibility menu have accelerator key?

01:25:21 [mcmay]

jg: That's a bug.

01:25:45 [mcmay]

kyle: There's a menu item to expand ABBR menu, missing from menu.

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jg: Another bug.

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kyle: Why does nav menu appear twice?

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jg: Probably doesn't need to be under acc. menu.

01:28:33 [JRG]

http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/mozilla/ts-test-page-text.html

01:29:49 [cklaws]

http://www-306.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/webtableheaders.html

01:32:32 [mcmay]

cl: WCAG is trying to recommend a combination of TH and summary attrib. I don't think they're using caption.

01:33:28 [cklaws]

http://www-306.ibm.com/able/solution_offerings/hpr4help.html

01:33:41 [cklaws]

Has captions and TH

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jg: Intention with the extension is to get web developers to notice that if their tables don't appear in table mode, they have to do something.

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pk: If we can give users what they're asking for through the extension, would be better.

01:38:48 [mcmay]

cl: Mnemonic nav is a good feature.

01:39:53 [mcmay]

pk: Wonder if there is a way to introduce a combination of C code and script to offer keystrokes to a given extension. Then can delegate to the extension.

01:40:05 [mcmay]

cl: Could do it using JavaScript onkeydown or XUL.

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jg: I think Aaron said there's a place to put an alternative keyboard handler.

01:43:04 [mcmay]

jg: Insight on how Javascript processes keystrokes?

01:43:46 [mcmay]

kyle: May be able to move from one DOM object to another, but can't move caret char by char.

01:43:56 [mcmay]

pk: Can you have JavaScript in an extension?

01:44:12 [mcmay]

kyle: Yes. JS can control keystroke.

01:44:22 [mcmay]

pk: And can install that in Mozilla extension?

01:44:35 [mcmay]

kyle: JavaScript component can control it. Not sure about extension.

01:44:44 [mcmay]

kyle: Need to copy file into JS component dir.

01:47:52 [mcmay]

pk: Feedback we've received is that everything must be user-configurable. But choose one default and start with that.

01:50:15 [cklaws]

http://dpreview.com/

01:50:20 [cklaws]

for events

01:55:41 [JRG]

dwatt@uiuc.edu

01:56:42 [mcmay]

pk: Direct access will need to be in there before it gets widely used.

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cl: Is caret browsing in the Sun version of Mozilla going into the trunk soon?

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k

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kyle: Already finished 80%. There are still bugs.

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cl: Can pick up in Mozilla and Firefox?

01:59:10 [mcmay]

kyle: Yes.

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pk: Will have to wait for Firefox 1.1, because it's in head.

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-Peter_Korn

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-Matt

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-Jessie

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-Jon

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-Cathy_Laws

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Attendees were Cathy_Laws, Matt, Peter_Korn, Jon, Jessie

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Present: Jon Kyle Jessie Peter Cathy Matt

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Chair: Jon

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