IRC log of swbp on 2005-03-24

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17:51:39 [Ralph]

Meeting: SWBPD WG

17:52:14 [Ralph]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0162.html

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Chair: Guus

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17:52:49 [Ralph]

zakim, this will be swbpd

17:52:49 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, Ralph

17:52:52 [Ralph]

zakim, this will be swbp

17:52:52 [Zakim]

ok, Ralph; I see SW_BPD()1:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

17:53:48 [Ralph]

rrsagent, please make logs public

17:54:22 [Ralph]

Ralph has changed the topic to: SWBPD 24 March agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0162.html

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SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started

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+Phil_Tetlow

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+??P3

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+David_Wood

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+Ralph

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+ +44.122.347.aaaa

18:00:04 [Ralph]

zakim, aaaa is SteveP

18:00:04 [Zakim]

+SteveP; got it

18:00:11 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p3 is Jeff

18:00:11 [Zakim]

+Jeff; got it

18:00:49 [Ralph]

Regrets: Garshol, McGuinness, Noy, Govoni, Rector, Nguyen, Baker, Nanni, Miller, Brickley, Gandon

18:00:51 [Zakim]

+??P10

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+Alistair_Miles (was ??P10)

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+??P12

18:02:08 [bwm]

Zakim, ??p12 is bwm

18:02:08 [Zakim]

+bwm; got it

18:02:08 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p12 is Brian

18:02:09 [Zakim]

I already had ??P12 as bwm, Ralph

18:02:37 [Ralph]

agenda+ Admin

18:02:40 [Ralph]

agenda+ Liaison

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agenda+ TF Updates

18:03:00 [aliman]

zakim, mute Alistiar

18:03:00 [Zakim]

sorry, aliman, I do not see a party named 'Alistiar'

18:03:02 [DavidW]

Regrets: Marco Nanni, Deb McGuiness, Elisa Kendall, Alan Rector, Tom Baker, Natasha Noy, Darren Govoni, Lars Garshol

18:03:05 [aliman]

zakim, mute Alistair

18:03:05 [Zakim]

Alistair_Miles should now be muted

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+??P17

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18:04:07 [guus]

zakim, ??P17 os guus

18:04:07 [Zakim]

I don't understand '??P17 os guus', guus

18:04:13 [Ralph]

[Benjamin is here on irc]

18:04:38 [guus]

zakim, ??p17 is Guus

18:04:38 [Zakim]

+Guus; got it

18:04:53 [Zakim]

+Evan_Wallace

18:04:56 [BenjaminNguyen]

Hi I'm not in my office and don't seem to be allowed to make int. calls, I'll be following via IRC

18:05:17 [Ralph]

zakim, nominate a scribe

18:05:17 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bwm

18:05:36 [Ralph]

zakim, don't pick on brian! :)

18:05:36 [Zakim]

I'm glad that smiley is there, Ralph

18:05:46 [guus]

zakim, who is here?

18:05:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Jeff, David_Wood, Ralph, SteveP, Alistair_Miles (muted), bwm, Guus, Evan_Wallace

18:05:48 [Zakim]

On IRC I see ekw, bwm, guus, JeffP, aliman, PhilT, Zakim, DavidW, RRSAgent, pepper, Ralph, BenjaminNguyen

18:06:45 [Ralph]

ACTION: Ralph to inform the W3C Communications Team that we intend to cite http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence as "W3C URI Persistence Policy" DONE

18:07:20 [aliman]

zakim, unmute Alistair

18:07:20 [Zakim]

Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted

18:07:33 [Ralph]

action -1

18:07:40 [aliman]

david: http-range-14 ...

18:07:44 [Ralph]

Topic: httpRange-14

18:07:51 [aliman]

discussion re jeremies draft text on the list ...

18:07:58 [aliman]

... message needs to go out ...

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... anyone wish to continue this discussion?

18:08:19 [aliman]

pepper: happy with text

18:08:32 [aliman]

david: we don't have or need final draft ...

18:08:36 [Zakim]

+ +39.051.209.aabb

18:08:45 [aliman]

final wording up to chairs, I'm happy to take that on ...

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zakim, aabb is Bologna

18:08:54 [Zakim]

+Bologna; got it

18:09:13 [Ralph]

zakim, Bologina has Fabio, Nicola, Valentina

18:09:13 [Zakim]

sorry, Ralph, I do not recognize a party named 'Bologina'

18:09:17 [Ralph]

zakim, Bologna has Fabio, Nicola, Valentina

18:09:17 [Zakim]

+Fabio, Nicola, Valentina; got it

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david: final comments on http-range-14?

18:09:26 [Ralph]

zakim, mute bologna

18:09:26 [Zakim]

Bologna should now be muted

18:09:29 [aliman]

[no comments]

18:09:45 [aliman]

guus: we need a final decision ...

18:10:15 [aliman]

david: proposal on table that wg chair sends message to TAG like what jjc drafted with subsequent comments made on list ...

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PROPOSAL: redraft jjc's proposal and send to TAG

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second: pepper

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no objections

18:10:59 [Zakim]

+ +1.650.725.aacc

18:11:03 [aliman]

ACTION: davidw to draft the http-range-14 message

18:11:10 [Ralph]

zakim, aacc is ChrisW

18:11:10 [Zakim]

+ChrisW; got it

18:11:57 [aliman]

TOPIC: RDFTM survey

18:12:16 [aliman]

pepper: editors have new draft

18:12:56 [aliman]

... posted 17 march ... also resolved comments ... 17th March draft ready to go for 1st WD.

18:12:59 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/RDFTM/survey-2005-03-17 17 March RDF/Topic Maps Survey draft

18:13:16 [aliman]

David: reviewers have responded to resolutions

18:13:34 [aliman]

pepper: we had some comments from DanC and Peter PS ...

18:13:49 [aliman]

we have responded, but perhaps not resolved completely. ...

18:14:00 [aliman]

can continue discussion in WG ...

18:14:21 [Zakim]

+??P27

18:14:21 [aliman]

guus: diff of opinion with DanC ... ?

18:14:44 [aliman]

pepper: DanC has problem with terminology, danbri has posted some wording to bridge the gap ...

18:15:00 [aliman]

issue with peter is more complex, harder to achieve short term resolution.

18:15:20 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is talking?

18:15:23 [aliman]

david: no problem with the doc as it is

18:15:31 [Zakim]

ChrisW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_Wood (69%), Ralph (4%), Alistair_Miles (25%), Guus (4%), Bologna (60%)

18:15:45 [aliman]

... if there are comments from outside the group we can address the comments while draft is published.

18:15:59 [aliman]

guus: but nice to acknowledge these outside comments?

18:16:14 [aliman]

???: peters objections not relvant to document in itself

18:16:25 [Ralph]

s/???/Fabio/

18:16:50 [aliman]

guus: don't want to give impression that putting someting under the carpet

18:17:00 [aliman]

pepper: but we continue discussion on list ...

18:17:09 [aliman]

guus: but a short note pointing to the mail message?

18:17:16 [aliman]

ralph: no obligation to do that

18:17:25 [aliman]

guus: I'm being inclusinve

18:17:38 [aliman]

pepper: pps disagrees with fundamental premiss of RDFTM TF

18:17:48 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p27 is Fabien

18:17:48 [Zakim]

+Fabien; got it

18:17:51 [DavidW]

s/no problem with the doc as it is/no problem with moving the doc to WG draft in spite of current outside comments/

18:17:58 [guus]

zakim, who is here?

18:17:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Jeff, David_Wood, Ralph, SteveP, Alistair_Miles, bwm, Guus, Evan_Wallace, Bologna, ChrisW, Fabien (muted)

18:18:00 [Zakim]

Bologna has Fabio, Nicola, Valentina

18:18:01 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Valentina, ChrisW, ekw, bwm, guus, JeffP, aliman, PhilT, Zakim, DavidW, RRSAgent, pepper, Ralph, BenjaminNguyen

18:18:06 [aliman]

ralph: encouraged by the discussion triggered ...

18:18:24 [ekw]

question 4 Steve: Have you added a reference for RDF Semantics?

18:18:24 [aliman]

our obligation as WG is to address all comments before go to next transition point ...

18:18:40 [aliman]

only applies for transition from last call to candidate rec ...

18:18:45 [Valentina]

Fabio, Valentina and Nicola have the same irc connection this time

18:18:51 [aliman]

guus is right that we should be responding to comments visibly ...

18:18:58 [ChrisW]

zakim, mute bologna

18:18:58 [Zakim]

Bologna should now be muted

18:19:04 [aliman]

but we don't need to allow them to hold us up publishing a draft ..

18:19:13 [aliman]

and in this case I think we should proceed ...

18:19:31 [aliman]

. Only question is do we start a new list?

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... but stick with it for now.

18:20:14 [aliman]

evan: put in reference to RDF semantics?

18:20:45 [aliman]

pepper: has not changed doc since 17 march, but happy to change reference

18:21:12 [aliman]

ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics

18:21:37 [aliman]

david: propose to move RDFTM survey to 1st WD

18:21:41 [aliman]

second: ralph

18:21:54 [aliman]

no objections

18:21:59 [aliman]

motion passed

18:22:21 [aliman]

ralph: have to get approval for the name of the doc ...

18:22:22 [ChrisW]

i would like to abstain

18:22:34 [aliman]

don't expect any issues to be raised,but may mean slightl delay

18:22:45 [aliman]

pepper: will post updated version at same location

18:22:53 [aliman]

pepper: thanks all

18:23:38 [Ralph]

s/slightl delay/this first publication takes slightly longer than subsequent updates/

18:23:54 [Valentina]

i'm glad of your warm reaction to the doc

18:24:44 [aliman]

guus: plan for RDFTM was to move quickly to next doc?

18:25:03 [aliman]

pepper: how long expect 1st WD to be out before next version?

18:25:10 [aliman]

guus: no issue on timing

18:25:24 [aliman]

ralph: judge on rate of arrival of comments

18:25:40 [aliman]

guus: I meant the second deliverable

18:25:59 [aliman]

pepper: second deliverable 'guideliines' plan to start after easter

18:26:10 [aliman]

... try to have something ready for xtreme

18:26:30 [aliman]

... wrt the survey want to put it on agenda of iso tm committee ..

18:26:42 [aliman]

will wait for comments from ISO before making any revisions.

18:27:03 [aliman]

TOPIC: 2.2 OMG: ODM review

18:27:03 [Ralph]

Steve: ISO TM meeting in mid-May

18:27:22 [Ralph]

ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel CONTINUES

18:27:57 [Ralph]

ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary

18:28:00 [Ralph]

continues

18:28:22 [aliman]

TOPIC: 2.3: DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues

18:28:34 [aliman]

ACTION Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience.

18:28:34 [Ralph]

ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience.

18:28:39 [aliman]

continues

18:29:38 [Ralph]

ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC how you like; copy in davidw

18:29:43 [Ralph]

continues

18:29:48 [aliman]

TOPIC: 2.4 XML Schema Last Call

18:30:15 [aliman]

XML Schema intends to publish its LC shortly around 28 March with a

18:30:21 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0160.html proposal to publish XSCH WD

18:30:52 [Ralph]

[wrong item; not for this topic]

18:30:55 [aliman]

guus: recent message from ??? chair of XML schema, we are on their dependency list ...

18:31:02 [Ralph]

s/???/David Ezell/

18:31:10 [aliman]

publishing last call 28marhc, asked us if 4 weeks is sufficient

18:31:20 [aliman]

... jjc jas offered to review.

18:31:37 [aliman]

ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft

18:31:46 [aliman]

jeff: will review also

18:31:57 [Zakim]

-SteveP

18:32:26 [aliman]

ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft

18:33:12 [aliman]

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Feb 24 telecon

18:33:26 [aliman]

chris: more time to review f2f minutes

18:33:26 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes previous meeting 2005-03-03

18:33:31 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0161.html previous telecon 2004-02-24

18:33:50 [aliman]

ralph concurrs with chris

18:34:11 [aliman]

second: chrisW

18:34:19 [aliman]

moved

18:34:32 [aliman]

david: carry over f2f minutes propsal to next telecon

18:34:35 [Ralph]

s/moved/carried/

18:34:48 [aliman]

PROPOSED next telecon 7 april 18000 UTC

18:34:50 [guus]

Q+

18:35:11 [aliman]

s/18000/1800

18:35:20 [Zakim]

-Bologna

18:35:21 [aliman]

guus: location of last f2f?

18:35:51 [aliman]

ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location

18:36:05 [aliman]

ralph: more candidates?

18:36:14 [aliman]

guus: have 2 candidates

18:36:29 [aliman]

candidates: vancouver, galway

18:37:08 [aliman]

TOPIC: SWBPD FAQ proposal

18:37:16 [aliman]

guus: good feedback

18:37:27 [aliman]

... very useful thing

18:37:49 [aliman]

david: TF FAQ ?

18:37:55 [aliman]

guus: more liek the tutorial page

18:38:14 [aliman]

david: put with apps&demos or tutorial?

18:38:22 [aliman]

... coordination issue.

18:38:47 [aliman]

guus: practice every time we publish a doc then the editors provide some FAQ questions leading to the doc

18:39:04 [aliman]

... but still need a FAQ editor, so small task

18:39:12 [aliman]

david: this task needs assignment

18:39:45 [aliman]

any volunteers?

18:40:19 [aliman]

tomA was doing tutorials page but has had to drop out of group ...

18:40:28 [aliman]

so tutorials unmaintained

18:40:41 [aliman]

guus: we have limiter resources right now, do this later?

18:40:48 [aliman]

david: keep this on the agenda

18:41:06 [aliman]

ralph: keep a wishlist

18:41:31 [Ralph]

Topic: PORT TF

18:41:53 [Ralph]

ACTION: Al to run pubrules checker on SKOS Core Guide ; Ralph will help. DONE

18:42:08 [Ralph]

ACTION: Alistair to change the wording of the link to "the persistence policy at URL http:" DONE

18:42:19 [Ralph]

ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies CONTINUE

18:42:24 [Ralph]

ACTION: Alistair to change the links to examples DONE

18:42:53 [Ralph]

Alistair: awaiting policy statement to include in core guide; expect them next week

18:43:52 [Ralph]

... plan to release guide and spec together without rearranging material into appendix as suggested at f2f

18:44:16 [Ralph]

... hope to propose first WD for spec, guide, and quick guide at next telecon

18:44:26 [Ralph]

Topic: OEP TF

18:44:45 [aliman]

chris: at f2f propose to accept two drafts pending actions ...

18:44:56 [aliman]

classes as values actions done redy to go...

18:45:30 [aliman]

... re value partitions ... alan decided not to make the change ...

18:45:47 [aliman]

so all actions considered completed, can we make them notes?

18:46:24 [aliman]

ralph: assuming wg concurs, then we make the content change (i.e. say WG note at the top0 ...

18:46:29 [aliman]

then make publication request.

18:46:57 [aliman]

chris: simple part-whole, will post version today, editors draft ready to be reviewed ...

18:47:10 [aliman]

at f2f guus and BillM from adobe volunteered ...

18:48:42 [aliman]

... no progress on any other notes.

18:48:56 [aliman]

david: good progress

18:49:03 [Ralph]

ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep

18:50:14 [aliman]

3.3 WordNet (Aldo)

18:50:23 [aliman]

carry forward (aldo not here)

18:50:51 [aliman]

ACTION: guus to contact aldo re whether he can attend next telecon

18:51:14 [aliman]

3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)

18:51:41 [aliman]

jeff: jjc has integrated comments into draft ...

18:52:01 [aliman]

also has added editor's opinion ...

18:52:17 [bwm]

q+ to request to be excused

18:52:18 [aliman]

evan has reviewd the draft ...

18:52:32 [aliman]

evan: have extensivley reviewd 1st draft ...

18:52:41 [aliman]

have reviewed latest version, looks good

18:53:05 [aliman]

(23 march version ???)

18:53:38 [JeffP]

http://dl-web.man.ac.uk/~panz/xsch-sw/

18:53:39 [aliman]

evan: reviewed 11 march version

18:54:04 [aliman]

ralph: what changes?

18:54:27 [Zakim]

-ChrisW

18:54:36 [aliman]

jeff: didn't change the date, difference is slightly revised editor's option, ...

18:54:49 [aliman]

also jeff added someting on formal semnatics of datatypes .

18:56:13 [aliman]

david: don't move to WD until clarify versions issue?

18:56:33 [aliman]

jeff: no, jjc removed some symbols to indicate change, but main text unchanged

18:56:50 [aliman]

ralph doing diff, concurrs with jeff

18:56:56 [aliman]

ralph happy

18:57:20 [aliman]

PROPOSED: move XML schema datatypes to 1st WD

18:57:24 [aliman]

evan: second

18:57:31 [aliman]

no objections

18:57:35 [aliman]

motion carried

18:58:32 [aliman]

ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes

18:58:45 [aliman]

3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)

18:59:06 [aliman]

ACTION: TomB to post URL to his VM TF slides DONE

18:59:18 [aliman]

3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)

18:59:32 [Ralph]

ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements

18:59:36 [Ralph]

continues

18:59:45 [Ralph]

ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have usecases

18:59:53 [Ralph]

continues

19:00:13 [aliman]

???: positive response on GRDDL ...

19:00:29 [aliman]

started dialogue with blogtool people ....

19:00:41 [aliman]

hope to tie up loose ends before next telecon ...

19:00:47 [aliman]

s/???/gavin

19:01:06 [Ralph]

zakim, Fabien is really Gavin

19:01:06 [Zakim]

+Gavin; got it

19:01:15 [Ralph]

ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons DONE

19:01:51 [Ralph]

ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRDDL needs to work on XHTML2 documents

19:01:57 [Ralph]

continues

19:02:02 [Ralph]

ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html

19:02:13 [Ralph]

contines

19:03:36 [aliman]

ralph: suggestion we review editors draft of xhtml2 spec ...

19:03:46 [aliman]

conterargument : we should wait till publicatoin

19:04:23 [aliman]

david: html wg is having hard time reaching consensus, don't want to slow them down.

19:04:45 [aliman]

ralph: html wg unlikely to consider comments until after publication

19:05:34 [aliman]

... intend myself to look at current editors draft

19:05:52 [aliman]

... don't believe there is anything we can do to help them right now.

19:05:59 [aliman]

david: discuss at coordination group level?

19:06:23 [aliman]

ralph: semweb coordination discussed whether to invite liasion with hypertext coordination group ....

19:06:35 [aliman]

ericm took action to investigate telecon liaison

19:06:50 [aliman]

... but now we're waiting for html-wg before take any action

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including on GRDDL.

19:07:17 [aliman]

3.7 ADTF (Libby)

19:07:29 [DavidW]

q?

19:07:40 [Zakim]

bwm, you wanted to request to be excused

19:07:43 [DavidW]

ack bwm

19:08:00 [aliman]

3.10 SE TF

19:08:01 [Zakim]

-bwm

19:08:11 [aliman]

3.9 Tutorial Page (TomA)

19:08:24 [aliman]

ACTION: david to ask for volunteers to take over tutorial page

19:08:29 [aliman]

3.10 SE TF

19:08:47 [aliman]

phil: jeff is now editor for se draft ...

19:09:06 [aliman]

also action to ground draft in current OWL work ...

19:09:12 [aliman]

looking at significatn rewrite ...

19:09:21 [aliman]

aiming to get new version of draft by 23 april

19:09:45 [aliman]

david: will new version address comments made at f2f?

19:10:13 [aliman]

phil: we're doing good work, note becoming solid.

19:10:39 [aliman]

evan: there are things to do before we've satisfied commets, but tasks have been assigned.

19:11:00 [aliman]

jeff: we've worked on the draft, editors list only includes people who put hands on

19:11:13 [aliman]

... example uses concrete syntax ...

19:11:24 [aliman]

structure of the draft changed ....

19:11:29 [ekw]

Jeff Pan summarized status in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0188.html

19:11:50 [aliman]

still a bit to do, including specific refs to ODM & integrate proposed idea with the example ...

19:12:06 [aliman]

& make more readable.

19:12:35 [aliman]

... section about 'which language?' ... didn't get comment on why do we need this section ...

19:12:48 [aliman]

because OWL is the only one ... so can dorp this section ...

19:12:53 [aliman]

guus: don't drop

19:13:55 [aliman]

scribe error - guus says yes drop

19:14:15 [aliman]

jeff: do we need to do survey on auto se & domain theory ...

19:14:33 [aliman]

tf members are not experts, so may need invited experts to cover those areas.

19:14:56 [DavidW]

ChrisW, Can you rejoin?

19:15:02 [ChrisW]

ok

19:15:04 [aliman]

phil: chirs wanted to look at these areas ...

19:15:44 [Zakim]

-Alistair_Miles

19:16:05 [Ralph]

Phil: Chris had a preference for a reference to previous experience in automated engineering and domain theory

19:16:13 [Zakim]

+ChrisW

19:16:37 [Ralph]

... does the WG have an opinion on trying to get this material?

19:17:23 [Ralph]

s/automated engineering/automated software engineering/

19:17:52 [guus]

q+

19:17:56 [Ralph]

Chris: agree with Guus' concern re document length

19:18:22 [Ralph]

... I suggested two people who might join the WG who are more current in those fields

19:18:38 [ekw]

Chris suggested: Michael Goedicke and Andrea Zisman as ASE experts

19:18:46 [DavidW]

ack guus

19:19:17 [Ralph]

Guus: not the size that concerns me

19:19:44 [Ralph]

... the chairs' problem is to make it clear to W3C that some critical expertise is needed

19:20:24 [Ralph]

... if some critical expertise is missing, then the case for an invited expert can be made

19:20:50 [Ralph]

Phil: we don't have the historical expertise to do what Chris has proposed

19:21:29 [Ralph]

... should we proceed to approach one of these individuals?

19:21:30 [DavidW]

ack Ralph

19:21:30 [Zakim]

Ralph, you wanted to ask if the TF has an opinion on the importance of such an addition

19:21:36 [Ralph]

Guus: please don't create expectation

19:21:47 [guus]

q?

19:21:54 [guus]

q+

19:22:41 [Ralph]

Phil: I could poll the TF

19:22:50 [guus]

q?

19:22:54 [Ralph]

... I don't know of a consensus yet regarding the need for what Chris proposes

19:23:22 [DavidW]

ack guus

19:23:44 [Ralph]

Ralph: my preference would be to stay lean; don't presume you need to grow the TF

19:23:57 [Ralph]

Guus: consider the purpose of the Note and what expertise is needed

19:24:25 [Ralph]

... then evaluate whether the WG has the expertise

19:24:54 [Ralph]

Jeff: we can discuss this in the upcoming SE TF telecon

19:25:06 [Ralph]

Guus: my comment about length was with respect to the OWL history

19:25:17 [Ralph]

... I think the history of OWL is not particularly relevant

19:25:49 [Ralph]

... however, I would not apply the length restriction to exclude new issues

19:26:16 [Ralph]

Jeff: there is an upcoming workshop on automated software engineering

19:26:34 [Ralph]

Evan: we submitted a paper to ISWC Galway

19:26:58 [Ralph]

s/paper/workshop proposal/

19:27:18 [Zakim]

-ChrisW

19:27:20 [Zakim]

-Phil_Tetlow

19:27:21 [Zakim]

-Evan_Wallace

19:27:22 [Ralph]

[adjourned]

19:27:23 [Zakim]

-Gavin

19:27:23 [Zakim]

-David_Wood

19:27:25 [Zakim]

-Jeff

19:27:30 [Zakim]

-Guus

19:27:32 [Zakim]

-Ralph

19:27:33 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended

19:27:34 [Zakim]

Attendees were Phil_Tetlow, David_Wood, Ralph, +44.122.347.aaaa, SteveP, Jeff, Alistair_Miles, bwm, Guus, Evan_Wallace, +39.051.209.aabb, Fabio, Nicola, Valentina, +1.650.725.aacc,

19:27:36 [Zakim]

... ChrisW, Gavin

19:27:59 [Ralph]

zakim, bye

19:27:59 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #swbp

19:29:15 [Ralph]

rrsagent, bye

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

I see 23 open action items:

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: davidw to draft the http-range-14 message [2]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-11-03

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics [3]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-21-12

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel CONTINUES [4]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-27-22

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [5]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-27-57

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience. [6]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-28-34-1

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC how you like; copy in davidw [7]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-29-38

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft [8]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-31-37

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [9]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-32-26

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location [10]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-35-51

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Al to run pubrules checker on SKOS Core Guide ; Ralph will help. DONE [11]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-41-53

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Alistair to change the wording of the link to "the persistence policy at URL http:" DONE [12]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-42-08

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies CONTINUE [13]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-42-19

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Alistair to change the links to examples DONE [14]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-42-24

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep [15]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-49-03

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: guus to contact aldo re whether he can attend next telecon [16]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-50-51

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [17]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-58-32

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: TomB to post URL to his VM TF slides DONE [18]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-59-06

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements [19]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-59-32

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have usecases [20]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T18-59-45

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons DONE [21]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T19-01-15

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRDDL needs to work on XHTML2 documents [22]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T19-01-51

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html [23]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T19-02-02

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: david to ask for volunteers to take over tutorial page [24]

19:29:15 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc#T19-08-24