IRC log of dawg on 2005-03-08

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14:29:19 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/03/08-dawg-irc

14:29:47 [Zakim]

+??P9

14:29:56 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P9 is AndyS

14:29:56 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:04 [ericP]

agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda

14:30:17 [ericP]

agenda + Requirements/Use Cases

14:30:27 [ericP]

agenda + SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions

14:30:34 [ericP]

agenda + Service Descriptions

14:30:41 [ericP]

agenda + SPARQL QL

14:30:50 [ericP]

agenda + issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...)

14:31:00 [ericP]

agenda + test suite maintenance

14:31:10 [ericP]

agenda + SPARQL result set spec

14:33:15 [Zakim]

+ +44.238.055.aaaa

14:33:38 [kendall]

zakim, who's here

14:33:38 [Zakim]

kendall, you need to end that query with '?'

14:33:40 [SteveH]

zakim, aaaa is SteveH

14:33:40 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:33:41 [kendall]

zakim, who's here?

14:33:41 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH

14:33:42 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, KevinW, Zakim, AndyS, kendall, SteveH, DaveB, afs, ericP, DanC

14:34:08 [ericP]

regrets: DaveB, HowardK, Hiroyuki, DanC

14:34:53 [AlbertoR]

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14:35:02 [kendall]

ciao alberto!

14:35:15 [ericP]

hi alberto, will you be calling in?

14:35:15 [Zakim]

+AlbertoR

14:36:04 [AlbertoR]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0251.html

14:38:36 [ericP]

zakim, next agendum

14:38:36 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]

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14:38:49 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:38:49 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Requirements/Use Cases" taken up [from ericP]

14:38:52 [Zakim]

+??P12

14:39:37 [ericP]

zakim, ??P12 is JosD

14:39:37 [Zakim]

+JosD; got it

14:40:19 [kendall]

zakim, next agendum

14:40:19 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from ericP]

14:40:31 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:40:31 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "SPARQL protocol spec, Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP]

14:42:14 [ericP]

andy, re "get the whole graph": construct can emulate getGraph

14:42:16 [kendall]

CONSTRUCT * {?s ?p ?o}

14:42:55 [AndyS]

CONSTRUCT {?s ?p ?o} WHERE GRAPH <g> {?s ?p ?o}

14:44:34 [ericP]

... WSDL modularizes the interface. Large graph services may choose not to offer getGraph

14:45:07 [ericP]

ACTION KendallC: to refer to "get the whole graph" explanation from QL spec

14:45:16 [ericP]

DROPPED

14:45:23 [ericP]

action -1

14:46:12 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:46:12 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Service Descriptions" taken up [from ericP]

14:47:06 [ericP]

ACTION Bijan: to work on "closeOver" work-alike with SteveH

14:47:22 [ericP]

pointer?

14:47:56 [ericP]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#255

14:48:07 [ericP]

DROPPED

14:48:13 [ericP]

action -2

14:48:23 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 5

14:48:23 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "SPARQL QL" taken up [from ericP]

14:49:00 [ericP]

ACTION JosD: to review value testing section

14:49:29 [ericP]

DONE

14:49:35 [ericP]

action -3

14:49:48 [kendall]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0269.html

14:52:26 [kendall]

overlap between sparl's use of Fs&Os and Xquery's use of them

14:54:07 [ericP]

AndyS: Eric, JJC, Don Chamberlin, and I met to discuss xs:datatypes

14:54:22 [ericP]

EricP: feedback, we are ging in the right direction

14:54:29 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 7

14:54:29 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from ericP]

14:55:06 [ericP]

[all actions continued -- see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0251.html ]

14:55:22 [ericP]

zakim, take up agendum 6

14:55:22 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "issue: punctuationSyntax (turtle, N3, ...)" taken up [from ericP]

14:55:31 [kendall]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#227

14:56:11 [kendall]

two issues...

14:56:29 [kendall]

whether we switch from existing syntax to turtle+variables

14:56:39 [kendall]

plus, some orthogonal issues about what to call matches/regexps/etc

14:56:48 [kendall]

plus, andy's list question

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the case of freestanding lists

14:57:42 [kendall]

zakim, mute me

14:57:42 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

14:57:44 [AndyS]

WHERE { ( ?x ) }

14:58:03 [kendall]

zakim, unmute me

14:58:03 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted

14:59:19 [ericP]

AndyS: this form isn't particularly useful, and it's illegal in turtle.

15:00:17 [ericP]

EricP: given that we are defined by turtle, i think we keep it illegal

15:01:05 [ericP]

JoseD: raised on cwm-bugs. happy to make it illegal

15:01:15 [ericP]

s/JoseD/JosD/

15:01:24 [JosD]

:)

15:01:44 [ericP]

AndyS: we don't say what happens when things go wrong.

15:02:02 [JosD]

true

15:02:05 [ericP]

XML specifies that no further processing happen after an error

15:02:59 [ericP]

SteveH: are FILTERs in the graph pattern part of the proposal?

15:03:06 [ericP]

EricP: no

15:03:36 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kendall_Clark, Kevin, EricP, AndyS, SteveH, AlbertoR, JosD

15:06:42 [ericP]

AlbertoR: have talked about in previous f2fs

15:07:01 [ericP]

... SQL-like syntax was welcomed by developers

15:07:20 [ericP]

... people are already impelementing SPARQL

15:07:31 [ericP]

... changing again is not a good message

15:07:40 [ericP]

... on other side: i see benifits

15:08:08 [ericP]

... is turtle/n3 sufficient? can we re-use a parser?

15:08:22 [ericP]

AndyS: you can re-use an N3 parser

15:08:45 [ericP]

KendallC: seems like graph pattern was the least SQL-like part of the old syntax

15:08:46 [AndyS]

Reuse _parts of_ an N3 parser (I did!)

15:09:02 [ericP]

AlbertoR: agreed.

15:09:37 [ericP]

... worried about people thinking about collections and bNodes

15:10:14 [ericP]

SteveH: agree with Alberto. RDQL syntax is consistent

15:10:54 [ericP]

putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax

15:11:26 [ericP]

putting the question: adopt the turtle+variables syntax (cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/thread.html#227 )

15:12:24 [ericP]

no objections

15:12:48 [ericP]

2 abstentions: SteveH, AlbertoR

15:13:11 [ericP]

RESOLVED in favor

15:15:08 [ericP]

ACTION: SteveH to update the tests to relect the new syntax

15:15:58 [ericP]

AndyS: I'm working on a re-writer tool. SteveH, do you want to use it?

15:15:58 [kendall]

some talk of a tool to rewrite queries from old to new syntax

15:16:14 [ericP]

SteveH: yes. I won't get around this week.

15:16:38 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:16:39 [Zakim]

-JosD

15:16:39 [AndyS]

Adjourned

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-AlbertoR

15:16:42 [Zakim]

-Kevin

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-SteveH

15:16:48 [ericP]

ADJOURNED

15:16:55 [kendall]

oh, ericp, will you do the ordinary thing re: minutes and logs?

15:17:08 [ericP]

kendall, will do

15:17:14 [kendall]

thx

15:18:45 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2005/03/08-dawg-irc now public

15:18:49 [AndyS]

rrsagent, stop logging