IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-02-24
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- Meeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon
- 20:51:40 [Yvette_Hoitink]
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0527.html
- 20:51:45 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Hi everyone
- 20:51:48 [wendy]
- Chair: Gregg
- 20:52:02 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Wendy, is next week's F2F for the techniques subgroup only?
- 20:52:14 [wendy]
- yes
- 20:52:16 [rscano]
- hi Yvette
- 20:52:21 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- ciao Roberto
- 20:52:30 [rellero]
- Hi
- 20:52:33 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- ok, then I don't have to clear my schedule
- 20:52:41 [rscano]
- :)
- 20:52:57 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- when will the WG F2F be?
- 20:55:29 [Michael]
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- 20:55:39 [LucaMascaro]
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- 20:55:43 [Michael]
- I may be a bit late for this meeting
- 20:56:30 [rscano]
- hi Michael
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- 20:56:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- Hi Michael, hi Takayuki
- 20:56:53 [nabe]
- good morning!
- 20:57:26 [wendy]
- Regrests: Roberto Castaldo
- 20:58:05 [wendy]
- the WCAG WG F2F is 20 and 21 March in LA after CSUN. gregg announced on 23 January: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0287.html
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- 20:58:37 [rscano]
- hi Chris
- 20:58:38 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- OK, I thought next week would be a f2f too. It was only when I noticed the agenda that I saw it was all techniques
- 20:58:41 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
- 20:58:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- thanks wendy
- 20:58:47 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
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- +[IPcaller.a]
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +??P4
- 20:59:47 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft.a]
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- +Bengt_Farre
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- +John_Slatin
- 20:59:51 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
- 20:59:51 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 20:59:57 [nabe]
- zakim, IPCaller is Takayuki
- 20:59:57 [Zakim]
- +Takayuki; got it
- 20:59:58 [rscano]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
- 20:59:58 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 21:00:00 [bengt]
- hmm, its not me yet
- 21:00:00 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, mute me
- 21:00:00 [Zakim]
- sorry, LucaMascaro, I do not see a party named 'LucaMascaro'
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- +[IBM]
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- -Bengt_Farre
- 21:00:21 [nabe]
- zakim, I am Takayuki
- 21:00:21 [Zakim]
- ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki
- 21:00:22 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 21:00:35 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 21:00:39 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, ??P10 may be Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:00:39 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink?; got it
- 21:00:42 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 21:00:45 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:00:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Takayuki, [IPcaller.a], Roberto_Scano, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], John_Slatin, [IBM], Yvette_Hoitink?, Wendy, Alex_Li
- 21:00:49 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:00:49 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink? should now be muted
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- 21:01:03 [wendy]
- zakim, IBM is Andi
- 21:01:03 [Zakim]
- +Andi; got it
- 21:01:07 [Zakim]
- +Luca_Mascaro
- 21:01:17 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, Yvette_Hoitink? is Yvette_Hoitink
- 21:01:17 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
- 21:01:31 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, i am Luca_Mascaro
- 21:01:31 [Zakim]
- ok, LucaMascaro, I now associate you with Luca_Mascaro
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:01:36 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Luca_Mascaro should now be muted
- 21:01:39 [Zakim]
- +??P12
- 21:01:43 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- I'm hearing a lot of noise
- 21:01:47 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P12 is David
- 21:01:47 [Zakim]
- +David; got it
- 21:01:55 [LucaMascaro]
- Hi to all
- 21:01:57 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:01:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Takayuki, [IPcaller.a], Roberto_Scano, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], John_Slatin, Andi, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Wendy, Alex_Li, Luca_Mascaro (muted),
- 21:02:00 [Zakim]
- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David
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- +Bengt_Farre
- 21:02:26 [Andi]
- be back in a minute
- 21:02:26 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:02:26 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 21:02:27 [wendy]
- zakim, Microsoft may be Mike
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- +Mike?; got it
- 21:02:39 [wendy]
- zakim, Microsoft.a may be Jenae
- 21:02:39 [Zakim]
- +Jenae?; got it
- 21:02:39 [rscano]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 21:02:50 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Takayuki (21%), Bengt_Farre (63%)
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- +??P14
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- zakim, mute Takayuki
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- Takayuki should now be muted
- 21:03:12 [David]
- test
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +??P16
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- +Matt
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- zakim, ??P14 is rellero
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- +rellero; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- rellero should now be muted
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- +??P17
- 21:03:36 [wendy]
- zakim, IPcaller is Alistair
- 21:03:36 [Zakim]
- +Alistair; got it
- 21:03:43 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P15 is Neil_Soiffer
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- I already had ??P15 as Bengt_Farre, wendy
- 21:03:44 [ben]
- zakim, ??P17 is Gregg_and_Ben
- 21:03:45 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
- 21:03:49 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:03:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Takayuki (muted), [IPcaller.a], Roberto_Scano, Mike?, Jenae?, John_Slatin, Andi, Yvette_Hoitink, Wendy, Alex_Li, Luca_Mascaro (muted), Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
- 21:03:52 [Zakim]
- ... David, Bengt_Farre, rellero (muted), ??P16, Alistair, Matt, Gregg_and_Ben
- 21:04:03 [bengt]
- hmmm
- 21:04:33 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P16 is Neil_Soiffer
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- +Neil_Soiffer; got it
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- +JasonWhite
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- +??P18
- 21:05:14 [Andi]
- back now
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- zakim, ++P18 is Sebastiano_Nutarelli
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- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named '++P18'
- 21:05:55 [wendy]
- zakim, Ipcaller.a is Chris
- 21:05:55 [Zakim]
- +Chris; got it
- 21:05:59 [rscano]
- zakim, ??P18 is Sebastiano_Nutarelli
- 21:05:59 [Zakim]
- +Sebastiano_Nutarelli; got it
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- +[ATTcaller]
- 21:06:13 [wendy]
- zakim, ATTcaller is Doyle
- 21:06:13 [Zakim]
- +Doyle; got it
- 21:06:16 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:06:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Takayuki (muted), Chris, Roberto_Scano, Mike?, Jenae?, John_Slatin, Andi, Yvette_Hoitink, Wendy, Alex_Li, Luca_Mascaro (muted), Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David,
- 21:06:20 [Zakim]
- ... Bengt_Farre, rellero (muted), Neil_Soiffer, Alistair, Matt, Gregg_and_Ben, JasonWhite, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Doyle
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- scribe: David
- 21:07:10 [wendy]
- agenda+ TTF Update
- 21:07:14 [wendy]
- agenda+ new concept
- 21:07:19 [wendy]
- agenda+ baseline, uaag, scripts
- 21:07:24 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:07:28 [wendy]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 21:07:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "TTF Update" taken up [from wendy]
- 21:07:32 [rscano]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 21:07:39 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- I hear music
- 21:07:42 [rscano]
- me too
- 21:07:43 [Zakim]
- rscano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Slatin (5%), Gregg_and_Ben (25%), Sebastiano_Nutarelli (48%)
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- zakim, mute Sebastiano_Nutarelli
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- Sebastiano_Nutarelli should now be muted
- 21:07:54 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Sebastiano
- 21:07:55 [Zakim]
- Sebastiano_Nutarelli was already muted, wendy
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- +Becky_Gibson
- 21:08:26 [wendy]
- zakim, close this item
- 21:08:26 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 closed
- 21:08:27 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. new concept [from wendy]
- 21:08:33 [wendy]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 21:08:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "new concept" taken up [from wendy]
- 21:08:41 [David]
- gv:presume people have read post
- 21:08:43 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0543.html
- 21:08:54 [wendy]
- david - thanks again for scribing!
- 21:09:00 [David]
- :-
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- 21:09:09 [David]
- oops no smile
- 21:09:24 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:09:26 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Cooper
- 21:09:30 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- q+
- 21:09:39 [Doyle]
- hand up
- 21:09:42 [David]
- js: like new approach clearer better gooder
- 21:10:17 [David]
- mc: covers next week tons of stuff
- 21:10:50 [David]
- didn't get to some issues mostly did test last week
- 21:11:02 [David]
- mc: maeet pf and uaag next wk
- 21:11:40 [David]
- gv: back to ttopic re new format
- 21:11:52 [wendy]
- ack loretta
- 21:12:08 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- ack y
- 21:12:11 [David]
- lg: like it refects what our map issues did finding sc in that process, read o0ur minds well
- 21:12:21 [David]
- yh: too logical
- 21:12:40 [David]
- yh: so good but
- 21:12:55 [David]
- yh likes it a lt
- 21:13:03 [David]
- lt = lot
- 21:13:55 [Yvette_Hoitink]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 21:13:56 [David]
- gv: still lots of work to do model but it solves big issues we think, but lets really look for ugly corners
- 21:14:09 [David]
- doyle: lots of work but a lot better
- 21:15:28 [David]
- gv: some hard stuf is ....ben looked at me and said how wil we make expanding cheklist
- 21:15:43 [wendy]
- q+ to ask, "expnding checklist 'tool' - required for recommendation?"
- 21:15:47 [wendy]
- ack doyle
- 21:16:04 [David]
- gv: a least 1.0 had checklist, we leverage that idea
- 21:16:39 [David]
- gv: guidelines>tech doc> checklist
- 21:17:29 [Neil]
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- 21:17:52 [David]
- gv: annotated check list in checklist order rather thatn tech doc
- 21:18:14 [David]
- gv: go from there to techs which help understand guidelines
- 21:19:33 [David]
- gv: explains the way it works
- 21:20:47 [wendy]
- ack wendy
- 21:20:47 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to ask, "expnding checklist 'tool' - required for recommendation?"
- 21:21:14 [LucaMascaro]
- i'm sorry, but is not more siple for the tester say "if the technology support that assistive tecnology, then...."
- 21:21:33 [David]
- wc: litness test...what do we need for recommendation rather than all the cool views that can be generated aftter
- 21:21:42 [wendy]
- s/litness/litmus
- 21:21:50 [David]
- thx
- 21:22:33 [David]
- gv: needs ot be te version with guidelines, "what was in their minds whenthey wrote the guidelines version
- 21:22:46 [David]
- ot=to
- 21:23:35 [David]
- js: in list of guidelines to test but Ididn't hear any from 2.x list, there was 1.1, 3.x, 4.x but you didn't mention 2.x
- 21:23:44 [David]
- gv: sure
- 21:24:54 [David]
- jw: found proposal, issue, for 1.3 (faily general nature) what you do depends on the content you write, different tech have differnt structures
- 21:25:47 [wendy]
- s/differnt/different
- 21:25:56 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:25:58 [wendy]
- ack jason
- 21:26:03 [David]
- gv: never should we be exhaustive, should be comprehensive instead
- 21:27:46 [David]
- gv: we want to be able to make sure sc are in fact faily clear, some lplaces we were wishy washy becasue wanted to cover more, but we sacrificed the line that "you can't cross" our new approach will cause us to be disaplined and sometimes wring our hands but its ok,
- 21:27:56 [David]
- gv: it worries me a bit
- 21:28:46 [David]
- jw: my concern that the would not withstand strict interpretation not writtin like legislations, would be better to keep level of exactness that people try to achieve in legislations
- 21:28:53 [wendy]
- s/faily/very
- 21:28:57 [wendy]
- s/lplaces/places
- 21:29:15 [David]
- gv: what will happen as we do that is "plain& simple " will take beating but that's where tech docs come to therescue
- 21:29:18 [wendy]
- w/writtin/written
- 21:29:59 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:30:38 [David]
- no its cool, I use a zero force 1/2 size keyboard , that's my excuse & I'm sticking to it
- 21:30:58 [wendy]
- :) no worries. i really appreciate that you're taking minutes.
- 21:31:00 [David]
- js: we need to come up with a wordcount
- 21:31:55 [David]
- gv:we should not put to high a premium on being short
- 21:32:04 [David]
- to=too
- 21:32:35 [wendy]
- ack matt
- 21:33:12 [David]
- mm: suggest if requirements for content comprehensibility into doc, we would not be credible unless we did it on our own work
- 21:33:29 [David]
- mm: we use some difficult terms and we need to keep it simple
- 21:33:43 [David]
- mm: reading level should be easy
- 21:33:47 [David]
- gv: agree
- 21:34:12 [David]
- gv: readability up comprehsibility up
- 21:34:38 [David]
- gv: must practise what we preach, or withhold our rocks
- 21:35:24 [David]
- cr: nice end to end, may affect test suite, seems narrowly defined
- 21:36:01 [wendy]
- q+ to say, "we don't want to say that we are making test tools...ppl will interpret as w3c creating own evaluation tool"
- 21:36:51 [David]
- gv: "test tools" better name, none of them will allow them to conform run them as procedures or as code,
- 21:37:09 [David]
- gv: very few of sc can be entirely automatically
- 21:38:05 [David]
- gv: determined
- 21:38:28 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 21:38:29 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper should now be muted
- 21:38:57 [David]
- gv: a pdf image based "declaration of independence" is next to a link to text version. This is accessible but would flunk tool test
- 21:39:01 [wendy]
- ack w
- 21:39:01 [Zakim]
- wendy, you wanted to say, "we don't want to say that we are making test tools...ppl will interpret as w3c creating own evaluation tool"
- 21:39:27 [David]
- wc: concerned of direction...don't want to call it a test tool,
- 21:39:38 [ChrisR]
- q+
- 21:39:39 [rscano]
- "Test Criteria"
- 21:39:52 [David]
- wc: test suite better becaue "tool" has baggage as a word
- 21:40:40 [David]
- gv: ok, if we have a suite of tests, different from test suite, we have suite of tests,
- 21:41:26 [David]
- gv: test suite for testing tools, here will tell you if it is a good tool for auto
- 21:41:39 [David]
- wc: we want to mke sure we include human judgement
- 21:41:56 [David]
- gv: yup erase last line of mine
- 21:42:48 [David]
- gv: let's create a test suite for testing tools
- 21:42:56 [wendy]
- q?
- 21:42:59 [wendy]
- ack chris
- 21:43:41 [David]
- cr: agree with wendy, most include human intervention, what keeping test (non-normative) away from normative stuff
- 21:43:58 [David]
- what keeping = what about
- 21:44:24 [David]
- gv: I don't think we can stop
- 21:45:26 [David]
- gv: is the test suite for testing tools or testing web pages
- 21:45:52 [wendy]
- chris - can you call back in on a land line?
- 21:45:57 [David]
- wc: can you call back we lost you
- 21:46:05 [Zakim]
- -Chris
- 21:46:45 [Zakim]
- +Chris_Ridpath
- 21:47:12 [David]
- cr: think to test tools and pages
- 21:48:13 [David]
- cr: when we bring non-normative to normative, close to guidelines, implies that the test are "required for performance" or ifthey are passed the web site "does comform" which may ormaynot be true
- 21:48:34 [David]
- gv: let's divide it up. a tool tester and web tester samples
- 21:50:27 [David]
- gv: thought there were 2 differnt things, and it is confusing
- 21:51:12 [David]
- gv: chris do you want to separate the tests from the guidelines
- 21:51:15 [David]
- cr: yes
- 21:51:24 [David]
- gv: that's what we've done
- 21:51:36 [David]
- cr: but it appears the tests are almost normative.
- 21:51:47 [David]
- gv: teststie to techniques not sc
- 21:52:23 [David]
- gv: that separates it. SC are necessary, there are techniques to address it and the test test the techniques no the sc
- 21:52:58 [ChrisR]
- no, I'm thinking of techs and tests that are mentioned in Greggs proposal
- 21:53:11 [wendy]
- ok
- 21:53:13 [David]
- js: adendum an important poit is that people could satisfy sc b/c of what we provide, but they may have their own techniques
- 21:53:16 [David]
- gv: sure
- 21:54:21 [David]
- gv: solves a million problems if we can execute it, getting specific enough
- 21:55:01 [David]
- gv: the history is that we went very general of guidelines, and relied on techniuqes to make up slack,
- 21:55:21 [wendy]
- q+
- 21:55:24 [wendy]
- ack john
- 21:56:13 [wendy]
- ack w
- 21:56:41 [David]
- wc: when talking about rewritting sc, what do you mean, significantly longer?
- 21:56:49 [wendy]
- wac: what is the extent of changes?
- 21:57:11 [David]
- gv: does not change them all, some ok, but sometimes qualifying additions
- 21:58:09 [David]
- gv: i.e., "in a standard fashion" if there is a stand way they must do it
- 21:58:19 [David]
- stand = standar
- 21:58:26 [David]
- standard
- 22:01:22 [David]
- aw: nervous about timing, rewrites take a lot of time perhaps, what is the dif between a "standard way"...
- 22:01:40 [David]
- gv: ie. in html alt text has standard way
- 22:02:22 [David]
- what were the 3 words? standard?, ????, supported
- 22:03:07 [wendy]
- ack an
- 22:03:07 [David]
- aw: worried about "until user agents typ speaking"
- 22:03:08 [wendy]
- ack lor
- 22:03:53 [David]
- lorretta: standard and supported could be problematic
- 22:05:58 [David]
- gv: going to have to be concrete, can't say in glossary standard = typical
- 22:06:11 [wendy]
- ack ja
- 22:06:22 [David]
- gv: whether it works is whether we succesfully define words
- 22:07:48 [David]
- jw: using the language and feature of the languge used in the technology specification. problem is that people can reduce requirements, need to encourage people to cchoose the right type of technology, case some peple will choose lousy technology to lower their srequriments
- 22:07:59 [wendy]
- ack jo
- 22:08:04 [David]
- js: aka me again
- 22:08:34 [David]
- js: another way of coming at problem is to do our best to think about functional specs we after
- 22:09:18 [David]
- gv: yup
- 22:09:29 [wendy]
- goal - functional statements
- 22:10:09 [David]
- gv: sometimes complication is fine, as long as it is to spec
- 22:11:52 [David]
- gv: its worth a ot of work to make the sc checkable cause there were convolution inte the other way, including sc non normative in a normative document
- 22:12:10 [David]
- ot = lot
- 22:12:44 [David]
- gv: do we have consensus into trying to make this work or prove that it dosn't
- 22:13:02 [David]
- gv: no dessent yet?
- 22:13:20 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
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- 22:15:08 [David]
- wc: so we don't go back down the path again, its ok that even if people don't get the sc: we will have inough informatinve stuff they will be able to make their interpretations on their own
- 22:15:17 [rscano]
- zakim, snutarelli is Sebastiano_Nutarelli
- 22:15:17 [Zakim]
- sorry, rscano, I do not recognize a party named 'snutarelli'
- 22:15:36 [David]
- js: sc don't say what to do, they say what will be true at the end of the process
- 22:16:43 [David]
- wc: want to hear what lorreta said, "in a stand way" vs. functional requmetn
- 22:17:14 [David]
- gv: "standard way same as why we did 4.1 & 4.2
- 22:17:44 [David]
- lg: like to pick up jason's wording rather than "standard way"
- 22:18:00 [Doyle]
- hand up
- 22:18:13 [David]
- gv: the defn says if there is a stand way use it
- 22:18:19 [wendy]
- ack lo
- 22:18:31 [Doyle]
- hand down
- 22:18:48 [Doyle]
- Gregg made the point I was goign to make
- 22:19:00 [wendy]
- ack ne
- 22:19:06 [David]
- gv: ok to make sc objective enough that they cannot wiggle out
- 22:19:19 [David]
- neil: worried that sc get too long
- 22:19:55 [ben]
- q+
- 22:19:55 [David]
- gv: yeah in going over them not too much longer..comments about length were re: plain lang not making more bulletproof
- 22:20:33 [David]
- bc: worried going to techniques next week, is there new sorting vcabulary?
- 22:20:56 [snutarelli]
- zakim, I am Sebastiano_Nutarelli
- 22:20:56 [Zakim]
- ok, snutarelli, I now associate you with Sebastiano_Nutarelli
- 22:20:59 [David]
- gv: you're closer than me, much would not change
- 22:22:54 [wendy]
- q+
- 22:22:56 [wendy]
- ack be
- 22:22:57 [David]
- gv: in a standard way means if in SMIL then use common SMIL way...
- 22:23:39 [wendy]
- ack w
- 22:25:08 [David]
- wc: i think next wk tech linking to sc. and have different level of requirment...perhaps this approach will free us, with less focus on tech secific checklist
- 22:25:35 [David]
- wc: next week less pressure from tech specific checklists
- 22:29:22 [David]
- wc: if we have focus on sc at functional level, then techniques could be less automic....ie. form accessible....here are the macro level tasks,
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- -Mike?
- 22:30:29 [David]
- gv: different views. tch docs have reference and application section.
- 22:31:04 [David]
- gv: access board did a special thing about forms b/c we didn't go into speicifics
- 22:32:29 [David]
- js: seems we are getting to fundamental usability premis that when you present material you don't require admintrators to dig through stuff
- 22:33:29 [David]
- gv: came out of wendy's comments, "why can't we go back and make sc a checklist"
- 22:33:46 [Zakim]
- -JasonWhite
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Luca_Mascaro should no longer be muted
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- -Andi
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- -Becky_Gibson
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- -Jenae?
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- -Matt
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- 22:34:59 [rellero]
- bye
- 22:34:59 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
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- -Alistair
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -David
- 22:35:06 [nabe]
- good bye
- 22:35:06 [Zakim]
- -Chris_Ridpath
- 22:35:08 [Zakim]
- -Doyle
- 22:35:09 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, make log world
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- -Yvette_Hoitink
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- -Neil_Soiffer
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Luca_Mascaro
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- -Takayuki
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- -Sebastiano_Nutarelli
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- -rellero
- 22:35:26 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
- 22:35:28 [Zakim]
- Attendees were [IPcaller], [Microsoft], Bengt_Farre, John_Slatin, Roberto_Scano, Takayuki, [IBM], Wendy, Alex_Li, Andi, Luca_Mascaro, Yvette_Hoitink, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David,
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- 22:35:31 [Zakim]
- ... Mike?, Jenae?, Matt, rellero, Alistair, Gregg_and_Ben, Neil_Soiffer, JasonWhite, Chris, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, [ATTcaller], Doyle, Becky_Gibson, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath
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- 22:36:07 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 22:36:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/02/24-wai-wcag-minutes wendy
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- 23:09:08 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
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- 23:59:09 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 23:59:09 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items