22:03:11 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wstf
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22:03:18 <shawn> zakim, this will be wstf
22:03:18 <Zakim> ok, shawn; I see WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
22:03:25 <shawn> zakim, ping me in 45
22:03:25 <Zakim> ok, shawn
22:03:35 <shawn> rrsagent, make logs world
22:03:54 <shawn> meeting: WSTF of EOWG
22:03:57 <shawn> chair: Shawn
22:48:26 <Zakim> shawn, you asked to be pinged at this time
22:48:38 <shawn> zakim, ping me in 10
22:48:38 <Zakim> ok, shawn
22:58:39 <Zakim> shawn, you asked to be pinged at this time
22:59:09 <Justin> Justin has joined #wstf
22:59:53 <Justin> hey shawn
23:00:46 <shawn> hiya
23:01:06 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM has now started
23:01:12 <Zakim> +Blossom
23:01:15 <Zakim> -Blossom
23:01:16 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM has ended
23:01:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Blossom
23:01:47 <Justin> will be on a in sec
23:02:23 <Justin> wow, that was bad grammar
23:03:08 <shawn> zakim, drop shawn
23:03:08 <Zakim> sorry, shawn, I don't know what conference this is
23:03:16 <shawn> zakim, this will be wstf
23:03:16 <Zakim> ok, shawn, I see WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM already started
23:03:23 <shawn> zakim, this is wstf
23:03:23 <Zakim> shawn, this was already WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM
23:03:24 <Zakim> ok, shawn; that matches WAI_EOWG(wstf)6:00PM
23:03:51 <Zakim> +Shawn
23:04:10 <shawn> zakim, who is there?
23:04:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, shawn.
23:04:16 <shawn> zakim, who's here?
23:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, Blossom, Shawn
23:04:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Justin, RRSAgent, Zakim, shawn
23:04:27 <shawn> zakim, ??p0 is Blossom
23:04:27 <Zakim> +Blossom; got it
23:04:30 <Zakim> +??P2
23:05:04 <Justin> zakim, ??p2 is Justin
23:05:04 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
23:15:35 <shawn> agreement: break Translations and Related Pages into 2 h2s
23:15:51 <shawn> 1. see how translations fit in
23:15:51 <shawn> - http://w3.org/2004/09/wai-nav/intro/accessibility.php#related
23:15:51 <shawn> - http://w3.org/2004/09/wai-nav/References/QuickTips/Overview.php#related
23:15:51 <shawn> - decouple with related pages?
23:15:51 <shawn> 2. revisit location of related pages
23:15:52 <shawn> - separate section under page contents ? (e.g., 
23:15:54 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components) pro: if landed on wrong page
23:18:33 <Zakim> +Michael_Lenz
23:21:25 <mlenz> mlenz has joined #wstf
23:30:57 <shawn> option: related links up under page contents
23:31:20 <mlenz> pro - related items are called out when present
23:31:31 <Justin> con - Will clutter up the top of the page.  Will increase the cognitive load
23:31:53 <mlenz> pro - related items are available without scrolling
23:32:11 <mlenz> pro - center column is focused on core content
23:33:57 <Justin> question: How many times will the related documents be in or outside of that level of the IA that you are currently on?
23:34:01 <shawn> option: related links at the bottom (with in page link at top)
23:34:26 <Justin> pro - simplifies the info above the fold
23:35:06 <Justin> con - if the related page is useful, its good to have at the top because it show where they want to be
23:35:46 <mlenz> related items - possible rule set would restrict contents to pages that our outside the concept
23:37:13 <shawn> 3. discuss navigation interaction
23:37:13 <shawn> - current page clickable, to parent?
23:39:59 <Justin> would not be what I expected. It would catch me off guard
23:45:08 <shawn> 4. W3C Search issues
23:45:08 <shawn> - set aside from others?
23:45:08 <shawn> - other temp solution issues?
23:57:50 <shawn> 5. changes in short names
23:57:50 <shawn> - How People Use the Web > How People with Disabilities Use the Web
23:57:50 <shawn> - Quick Tips to Make Accessible > Quick Tips to Make Accessible Sites
23:57:50 <shawn> - WAI Groups > WAI Working Groups???
23:57:50 <shawn> - About the WAI Site > ???
23:57:51 <shawn> (see unrevised drafts: http://www.w3.org/WAI/about/site.html, http://www.w3.org/WAI/about/usingsite.html)
23:57:53 <shawn> - Interdependent Components > ???
23:59:48 <shawn> long name: WAI Working Groups and Interest Groups