IRC log of dawg on 2005-01-11
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- agenda + Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0010.html
- 14:29:31 [DanC]
- agenda + ftf4
- 14:29:38 [DanC]
- agenda + ftf5
- 14:29:45 [DanC]
- agenda + XML result set spec publication
- 14:29:56 [DanC]
- agenda + Protocol spec publication
- 14:30:04 [DanC]
- agenda + Services / DawgShows
- 14:30:13 [DanC]
- Zakim, this is dawg
- 14:30:14 [Zakim]
- ok, DanC; that matches SW_DAWG()9:30AM
- 14:30:19 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:30:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1
- 14:30:30 [Zakim]
- +Yoshio
- 14:30:31 [DaveB]
- Zakim, ??P1 is DaveB
- 14:30:31 [Zakim]
- +DaveB; got it
- 14:30:32 [DanC]
- agenda + disjunction
- 14:30:42 [DanC]
- agenda + SOURCE
- 14:30:59 [Zakim]
- +DanC
- 14:31:33 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 14:32:09 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 14:32:12 [ericP]
- zakim, please dial ericP-617
- 14:32:12 [Zakim]
- ok, ericP; the call is being made
- 14:32:12 [AndyS]
- zakim, ??P3 is AndyS
- 14:32:14 [Zakim]
- +AndyS; got it
- 14:32:15 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 14:32:18 [Yoshio]
- hya iltaa
- 14:32:28 [Yoshio]
- s/hya/hyva
- 14:32:34 [Yoshio]
- hyvaa?
- 14:32:44 [DanC]
- my IRC client is utf-8 happy now... wanna show off your japanese skills, ericp?
- 14:32:45 [ericP]
- zakim, please mute ericP
- 14:32:45 [Zakim]
- EricP should now be muted
- 14:32:57 [Zakim]
- +NickG
- 14:33:03 [SteveH]
- Zakim, NickG is SteveH
- 14:33:03 [Zakim]
- +SteveH; got it
- 14:33:13 [ericP]
- danc, ã”èžè³‡ã§ãŠå›°ã‚Šã®æ–¹ã«æœ—å ±
- 14:33:17 [AndyS]
- Janne - no problems with the storm I hope?
- 14:33:17 [ericP]
- (from spam)
- 14:34:04 [ericP]
- yoshio, was responding to "yyvaa"
- 14:34:26 [Yoshio]
- * Hmm, my irc is not Unicode happy :(
- 14:34:42 [AndyS]
- Mime claims it - but isn't :-(
- 14:34:43 [DaveB]
- I get about 50% of them
- 14:34:51 [DanC]
- scribe: SteveH
- 14:34:56 [DanC]
- regrets: Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo
- 14:35:19 [ericP]
- yoshio, the irc protocol doesn't prescribe a character encoding nor provide a way to communicate it
- 14:35:19 [DanC]
- record ok? http://www.w3.org/2004/12/14-dawg-irc
- 14:35:50 [DanC]
- RESOLVED to accept it as a true record
- 14:36:06 [DanC]
- next meeting: ftf4 19-20 Jan
- 14:36:15 [DanC]
- Kendall has offered to be the 1st scribe
- 14:36:54 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:36:54 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P0, DaveB, Yoshio, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP (muted), SteveH
- 14:37:18 [Yoshio]
- ??P0 is Hiroyuki, I think
- 14:37:24 [DanC]
- ??P0 is HiroyukiS
- 14:37:28 [DanC]
- Zakim, ??P0 is HiroyukiS
- 14:37:28 [Zakim]
- +HiroyukiS; got it
- 14:38:34 [DanC]
- agenda + call for exclusions
- 14:39:13 [ericP]
- read it, makes sense
- 14:39:28 [SteveH]
- .
- 14:39:42 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:39:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0010.html" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:39:50 [DanC]
- Zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1 closed
- 14:39:51 [Zakim]
- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:39:52 [Zakim]
- 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
- 14:39:55 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:39:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 was just opened, DanC
- 14:40:01 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 2
- 14:40:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "ftf4" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:40:20 [DanC]
- ftf agenda, sketch http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf4.html
- 14:41:17 [Zakim]
- -EricP
- 14:41:23 [ericP]
- ahg!
- 14:41:38 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ v 1.1 2004/12/17 17:33:45
- 14:41:39 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 14:43:23 [DanC]
- yes, that one for the reading list
- 14:43:33 [DaveB]
- (could we have the dates of f2f4 on the f2f4 web page?)
- 14:44:04 [DanC]
- (yes. phpht.)
- 14:44:21 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up agendum 3
- 14:44:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "ftf5" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:44:49 [DaveB]
- I have probably regrets for ftf5
- 14:44:59 [ericP]
- 2nd
- 14:44:59 [SteveH]
- 28th feb 1 march meeting
- 14:45:21 [SteveH]
- no objections
- 14:45:23 [DanC]
- Registration is open
- 14:45:23 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TP2005/
- 14:45:32 [DanC]
- Zakim, close this item
- 14:45:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 closed
- 14:45:33 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:45:35 [Zakim]
- 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
- 14:45:55 [DanC]
- agenda order is 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 2
- 14:46:01 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "XML result set spec publication" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:47:40 [SteveH]
- ACTION: DaveB to post announcement about XML result set on appropraite mailing lists
- 14:48:00 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: ask Liam, via SemWeb CG, which XML groups might be interested in SPARQL result set WD
- 14:49:12 [DanC]
- agenda + trackback to WDs
- 14:49:56 [SteveH]
- withdraw simons action on alternaive unbound results
- 14:52:04 [ericP]
- ericP preferrs order in the SELECT just for the sake of the user
- 14:54:22 [ericP]
- darth vader here?
- 14:54:25 [SteveH]
- Issue with order of result columns
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- currently undefined
- 14:54:38 [SteveH]
- options are query order, lexical, arbitrary
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- +others
- 14:55:21 [SteveH]
- ACTION: DaveB discussion options for column ordering and pick one
- 14:55:45 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 14:55:45 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Protocol spec publication" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:56:17 [DanC]
- ACTION: EricP/KendallC to publish "SPARQL Protocol for RDF" pending approval from TomA and AndyS
- 14:56:49 [AndyS]
- I have approved this
- 14:58:08 [SteveH]
- DanC: there are some URIs that dont follow the namespace policies
- 14:58:30 [DaveB]
- q+ re pub protocol
- 14:59:01 [howardk]
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- 14:59:10 [ericP]
- 87.5
- 14:59:14 [DanC]
- ack daveb
- 14:59:18 [howardk]
- hi danc!
- 14:59:39 [Yoshio]
- * Yoshio waves to haward
- 14:59:51 [howardk]
- morning yoshio (howard's time)
- 15:00:01 [DaveB]
- : $Id: index.html,v 1.1 2004/12/17 17:33:45 kclark Exp $
- 15:00:20 [Yoshio]
- * evening, haward (Yoshio's time)
- 15:00:30 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 15:00:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Services / DawgShows" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:00:39 [SteveH]
- DaveB: can ericP post a link to a modified 1.1 with changes
- 15:00:54 [DanC]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/DawgShows
- 15:01:04 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's talking?
- 15:01:14 [Zakim]
- DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (4%)
- 15:01:42 [DanC]
- ACTION: KendallC expose our walking tour data to SPARQL querying clients
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- +HowardK
- 15:02:48 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 7. "disjunction" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:03:08 [DanC]
- EricP migrate some Algae UnionDisjunciton test cases http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0464.html
- 15:05:08 [DanC]
- # Proposal to drop disjunction requirement Steve Harris (Thursday, 30 September) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0604.html
- 15:06:15 [DaveB]
- at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/issues-ftf4/
- 15:06:16 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/issues-ftf4/
- 15:08:02 [SteveH]
- DanC will add all the issues to URL^
- 15:08:45 [ericP]
- some
- 15:09:58 [DaveB]
- current words near http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#alternatives
- 15:10:39 [DaveB]
- drop section 6
- 15:10:45 [DanC]
- "6.1 Joining Patterns with OR"
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- "6 More Pattern Matching – Alternatives"
- 15:11:28 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:11:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see HiroyukiS, DaveB, Yoshio, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP (muted), SteveH, HowardK
- 15:12:57 [Yoshio]
- I'm playing with RDQL these days, which drove me to be able to live without it...
- 15:13:29 [DanC]
- ack ericp
- 15:13:29 [ericP]
- preferr to keep it
- 15:14:24 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 8. "SOURCE" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:15:06 [DanC]
- Untrusted graphs - examples http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0421.html
- 15:15:06 [SteveH]
- straw poll: 2 in favour of withdraing sec 6, 2 in favour of keeping, rest undecided
- 15:15:10 [SteveH]
- (is that correct?)
- 15:15:16 [DanC]
- close enough
- 15:16:05 [DanC]
- tests: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/source-named/
- 15:16:18 [DanC]
- action is DONE
- 15:16:43 [DanC]
- ACTION: JanneS propose text for hard failure in the protocol draft
- 15:17:40 [DaveB]
- see http://www.profium.com/news/2005/jan11_2005.html
- 15:18:06 [DanC]
- ACTION: DanC suggest formal definitions for SOURCE
- 15:18:08 [SteveH]
- Janne is working on SRARQP over [OJ]DBC [couldn;t hear]
- 15:19:00 [AndyS]
- http://sourceforge.net/projects/sparql4j
- 15:19:35 [SteveH]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004OctDec/0421.html represnts daves current preferred solution to source
- 15:19:51 [DanC]
- andys: that's what rq23 specifies too
- 15:19:57 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 15:19:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "ftf4" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:20:21 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ $Revision: 1.166 $ of $Date: 2005/01/10 17:59:34 $
- 15:20:46 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: add rq23 1.66 to ftf4 reading list
- 15:21:13 [SteveH]
- version 1.166
- 15:21:17 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-sparql-XMLres-20041221/
- 15:21:24 [DanC]
- I'll add that
- 15:21:46 [DanC]
- v1.1. of protocol
- 15:21:48 [SteveH]
- ACTION: Danc to add http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-sparql-XMLres-20041221/ to reading list
- 15:22:39 [DanC]
- . http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-rdf-dawg-uc-20041012/
- 15:23:53 [SteveH]
- DanC: expects storytelling around protocol at F2F
- 15:26:48 [SteveH]
- options for using F+O, menu choice or bulk import
- 15:27:27 [DanC]
- agenda + value testing
- 15:27:34 [DanC]
- Zakim, agenda?
- 15:27:34 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
- 15:27:35 [Zakim]
- 2. ftf4 [from DanC]
- 15:27:36 [Zakim]
- 9. call for exclusions [from DanC]
- 15:27:37 [Zakim]
- 10. trackback to WDs [from DanC]
- 15:27:38 [Zakim]
- 11. value testing [from DanC]
- 15:28:26 [DanC]
- w3t-pr@w3.org
- 15:28:44 [SteveH]
- Janne: is it OK for press to turn up after F2F4
- 15:30:48 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: put Janne in touch with w3t-pr re press at ftf4
- 15:31:09 [DanC]
- Zakim, close item 2
- 15:31:09 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 15:31:10 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 15:31:12 [Zakim]
- 9. call for exclusions [from DanC]
- 15:31:48 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up item 9
- 15:31:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 9. "call for exclusions" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:31:49 [DanC]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JanMar/0014.html
- 15:33:08 [SteveH]
- DanC: patent policy says that if you have any patents that are essential to the practice to this sepc. and you dont want to give a royalty-free licence to the world you have to note it in the call for exclusions
- 15:33:21 [SteveH]
- New W3C patent policy
- 15:36:14 [DanC]
- ADJOURN
- 15:36:21 [DanC]
- Zakim, please make minutes
- 15:36:21 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'please make minutes', DanC
- 15:36:28 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, please make minutes
- 15:36:52 [Zakim]
- -Yoshio
- 15:36:58 [Zakim]
- -HiroyukiS
- 15:37:08 [Yoshio]
- * See you in Espoo!
- 15:37:16 [DanC]
- hmm... 404 @ http://www.w3.org/2005/01/11-dawg-minutes*,acccess*
- 15:37:42 [DanC]
- so... never mind.
- 15:37:47 [Zakim]
- -HowardK
- 15:39:26 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/Promotion/Appearances/
- 15:39:45 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/06/02-PromotionsForm
- 15:40:07 [DaveB]
- spell it just like it sounds DanC
- 15:40:10 [Zakim]
- -JanneS
- 15:40:10 [ericP]
- Prud'hommeaux
- 15:42:57 [Zakim]
- -DanC
- 15:47:16 [DaveB]
- http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
- 15:48:21 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 15:48:26 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 15:48:48 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ see you in helsinki!
- 15:48:56 [DanC]
- DanC has changed the topic to: RDF Data Access http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ see you in Finland!
- 15:58:41 [Zakim]
- -DaveB
- 16:00:38 [ericP]
- WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
- 16:01:05 [Zakim]
- -AndyS
- 16:01:17 [ericP]
- cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs
- 16:03:14 [ericP]
- CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d eric@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs co WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
- 16:03:57 [SteveH]
- [swh@ninkasi DAWG]$ cvs -d sharris2@cvs.w3.org:/w3ccvs co WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/all.htm
- 16:03:57 [SteveH]
- cvs checkout: failed to create lock directory for `/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql' (/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
- 16:03:57 [SteveH]
- cvs checkout: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/w3ccvs/WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql'
- 16:03:57 [SteveH]
- cvs [checkout aborted]: read lock failed - giving up
- 16:04:53 [Zakim]
- -SteveH
- 16:04:58 [Zakim]
- -EricP
- 16:05:00 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
- 16:05:01 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Yoshio, DaveB, DanC, JanneS, AndyS, EricP, SteveH, HiroyukiS, HowardK
- 16:07:44 [afs]
- Thta's what I get
- 16:07:58 [AndyS]
- That's what I get
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- 16:21:48 [ericP]
- andy, (and steve and dave), WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/ is rumored to be fixed
- 16:28:34 [AndyS]
- Wil try it ... one moment ...
- 16:29:47 [AndyS]
- Works - one file - all.htm
- 16:30:00 [AndyS]
- .htm???
- 16:31:34 [AndyS]
- s/OR/UNION/ done
- 16:39:00 [ericP]
- the .htm is a vestige from more savage times
- 16:39:30 [ericP]
- namely, we had clients that couldn't handle .html
- 16:47:22 [SteveH]
- ericP, yeah, WFM too
- 16:49:52 [ericP]
- oh hey, steve, you're here.
- 16:50:07 [ericP]
- i misread the order of your departures and arrivals
- 16:50:24 [ericP]
- does WWW/2004/Talks/17Dec-sparql/ work for you now?
- 16:50:49 [ericP]
- i expect it will
- 16:51:06 [ericP]
- it wasn't set for collab
- 16:51:24 [ericP]
- from which i learned that we have a notion of collab access
- 16:51:29 [ericP]
- (to cvs)
- 16:52:24 [SteveH]
- yes, works now
- 16:53:02 [ericP]
- another case cracked by flailing my arms about
- 16:54:02 [SteveH]
- AndyS, I'm on the same flight out, and back - well the times are the same so I guess they are, different flight codes
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