IRC log of wai-wcag on 2005-01-05
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- -[IPcaller]
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:00:15 [Michael]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Chris_Ridpath
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- +Chris_Ridpath; got it
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- +Wendy
- 15:00:50 [wendy]
- zakim, attendance?
- 15:00:50 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, wendy.
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- +??P25
- 15:00:59 [ben]
- zakim, ??P25 is Ben
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- +Ben; got it
- 15:01:00 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P25 is Ben
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- I already had ??P25 as Ben, wendy
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- +??P26
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- zakim, ??P26 is Davie
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- +Davie; got it
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- zakim, Davie is David
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- +David; got it
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- +??P29
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- zakim, ??P29 is Ken
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- +Ken; got it
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- +??P31
- 15:03:09 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P31 is Lisa
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- +Lisa; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, mute lisa
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- Lisa should now be muted
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- +Alex_Li
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- I think I'm into the Matrix
- 15:05:32 [wendy]
- Happy New Year!
- 15:05:52 [wendy]
- Chair: Michael
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- Scribe: Wendy
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0012.html
- 15:06:46 [David]
- can someone send url
- 15:06:53 [wendy]
- agenda+ Continue reviews of straw poll of test files
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- agenda+ Continue assigning missing techniques
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- +[IPcaller]
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- -Lisa
- 15:10:00 [wendy]
- zakim, +[IPcaller] is Alistair
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- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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- -[IPcaller]
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- +Don_Evans
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- +??P34
- 15:12:03 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P34 is Lisa
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- +Lisa; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:13:41 [ben]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Lisa
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- +Lisa; got it
- 15:13:58 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:13:58 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Wendy, Ben, David, Ken, [Microsoft], Alex_Li, Don_Evans, Lisa, Lisa.a
- 15:14:07 [ben]
- zakim, Lisa.a is Alistair
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- +Alistair; got it
- 15:17:12 [wendy]
- agenda+ new charter, t.p., csun f2f??
- 15:17:19 [wendy]
- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "new charter, t.p., csun f2f??" taken up [from wendy]
- 15:17:32 [wendy]
- wac: will be sending info about registration for t.p.
- 15:17:51 [wendy]
- wac: t.p. is 28 march - 4 February in Boston. TTF is meeting Mon/Tue.
- 15:18:10 [wendy]
- wac: may meet (full wcag wg) after csun (20 and 21 March). still working on logistics.
- 15:18:13 [David]
- URL for strawpoll?thx
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- wac: operating under new charter, and W3C Patent Policy. Instructions on how to rejoin will be sent in the next week or two.
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- wac: look for emails about all of these things.
- 15:19:03 [wendy]
- zakim, close item 3
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Continue reviews of straw poll of test files [from wendy]
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Continue reviews of straw poll of test files" taken up [from wendy]
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 92248 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), shadi
- 15:21:52 [wendy]
- Test 135 - Use MathML not images for math.
- 15:22:07 [wendy]
- bc: no clear way to provide alternative for mathml. if ua doesn't support, then out of luck.
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- +Shadi
- 15:22:52 [wendy]
- dmd: larger group have a decision about what makes an accessible product (if have a lang that isn't widely used but the ua/plug-in is freely available).
- 15:23:04 [wendy]
- ls: question for pf?
- 15:23:39 [wendy]
- ls: alternative, use a gif?
- 15:25:30 [wendy]
- neil's comment on this test: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0600.html
- 15:26:12 [wendy]
- mc: need x-platform disability api that everyone supports.
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- +John_Slatin
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- URL?
- 15:27:45 [wendy]
- mc: we http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/group2/results
- 15:28:54 [wendy]
- bc: biggest concern - there is no alternative. either support or get nothing. no way to say, this is an equation written in mathml.
- 15:30:46 [wendy]
- wac: think xhtml2.0 and/or xinclude provides way to include objects and alternatives. therefore, similar to img/alt/gif where you provide the alternative in the "host" - although not sure.
- 15:31:16 [wendy]
- mc: ben's question needs to go to pf. either mathml needs to provide a fallback mechanism or it needs to be used in a way that provides a fallback mechanism.
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- -Alex_Li
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- +Alex_Li
- 15:33:40 [wendy]
- action: Lisa ask PF about providing alternatives for mathml. concern that there is not alternative. either support mathml or get nothing. no way to say, "this is an equation written in mathml" or to provide an alternative (a "bridge" for backwards compatibility). Or is there? is there a way to embed via object or other means?
- 15:33:51 [wendy]
- Test 10 - Image must not flicker.
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- bc: "flicker" is not defined.
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- cr: could modify to say, "haven't quite defined flicker. this test will reflect the success criteria."
- 15:34:34 [wendy]
- dmd: what happened to the flicker range that used to exist?
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- bc: it's a different criteria about distraction.
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- Topic: Test 7 - ALT text can't be empty if image is used as an anchor.
- 15:35:10 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test7.html
- 15:35:39 [wendy]
- ls: in WCAG 1.0, said use empty...
- 15:35:52 [wendy]
- mc: several ppl mentioned in their comments. thus, this needs clarification.
- 15:36:00 [wendy]
- ls: can't be null if contains information.