IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-27
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- 13:56:30 [wendy]
- http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ - good article. related to design for low vision.
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- 14:02:07 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:02:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I don't know what conference this is
- 14:02:11 [wendy]
- zakim, this is wcag
- 14:02:12 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ken, David_MacDonald, ChrisR, bcaldwell, RRSAgent, Zakim, wendy, sh1mmer
- 14:02:18 [Zakim]
- ok, wendy; that matches WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
- 14:02:18 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:02:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Wendy
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- +??P8
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- -??P8
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- +??P8
- 14:02:45 [ken]
- ken = ken kipnes
- 14:02:59 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:02:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Wendy, ??P8
- 14:03:00 [David_MacDonald]
- I'm getting a phone message that says "The conference is restricted at this time
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- zakim, ??P8 is Ben
- 14:03:09 [Zakim]
- +Ben; got it
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- +??P9
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- +Ken_Kipnes
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- zakim, ??P9 is Chris_Ridpath
- 14:04:16 [Zakim]
- +Chris_Ridpath; got it
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- +??P14
- 14:05:42 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, ??P14 is David MacDonald
- 14:05:42 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P14 is David MacDonald', David_MacDonald
- 14:05:45 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:05:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Wendy, Ben, Becky_Gibson, Chris_Ridpath, Ken_Kipnes, ??P14
- 14:06:14 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, ??P14 is David_MacDonald
- 14:06:14 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- +John_Slatin
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- +[Microsoft]
- 14:07:29 [wendy]
- zakim, +[Microsoft] is Jenae
- 14:07:29 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft]'
- 14:08:26 [ben]
- action items listed in Bugzilla: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/condensedreports/actionitems.php
- 14:08:48 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:08:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Wendy, Ben, Becky_Gibson, Chris_Ridpath, Ken_Kipnes, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, [Microsoft]
- 14:09:08 [wendy]
- wac: f2f minutes, authored unit summary, working w/john on 2.4
- 14:09:26 [wendy]
- bc: issues summary, working w/matt on uaag about baseline, going through general issues w/wac
- 14:11:16 [wendy]
- bg: color name support follow-up (jaws will read hex from x11 or color name, if doesn't recognize reads number.tested 40/256. window eyes will also read color, reads rgb value. jaws doesn't udnerstand rgb) - will write it up and send to the list. and propose technique. think blink is done. ibm proposed an idea to gather techniques.
- 14:12:11 [wendy]
- cr: working w/mc to ensure a test for each technique and tech for each SC. still many techs that don't have tests. talking w/jenae aobut getting tests approved by group. lots of tests to move through. waiting to move tests to w3c site.
- 14:12:52 [wendy]
- kk: writing tests for oracle checker. correspond to some of the techniques.
- 14:13:42 [wendy]
- action: ken and chris talk about tests.
- 14:14:09 [wendy]
- dmd i'm to test xx-small and xx-large if supported by popular screen readers.
- 14:14:16 [wendy]
- js jaws and windows eyes support.
- 14:14:26 [wendy]
- js test hal
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- dmd i'll also test hpr
- 14:14:45 [wendy]
- dmd also working on list of 1.4 bugs.
- 14:15:00 [wendy]
- dmd looking at mappings and looking for gaps
- 14:15:19 [wendy]
- dmd audio contrast technique
- 14:16:23 [wendy]
- js gen techs for 2.4, proposal for guideline/success criteria for 2.4, finish gen techs (for 2.4), then updating issue summary for 3.1 and then gen techs for 3.1, probably lead to rewording
- 14:17:04 [wendy]
- wac and js also working on 1.2
- 14:17:18 [wendy]
- ja working with cr, waiting for test cases on w3c site, then go through process
- 14:17:29 [wendy]
- js also looking at issues related to intro, but don't plan to touch for a while
- 14:20:44 [wendy]
- going through notes from f2f to fill in gaps
- 14:25:58 [wendy]
- in discussion about general techs, major elephant: are they techniques or descriptions? keep them in separate document or include in informative section of guidelines? guidelines are general, if next layer is also general, will that frustrate people?
- 14:26:41 [wendy]
- js would be possible to write the explanatory material for now in general, if people felt later that some is better in informative, could move and tweak to fit new context.
- 14:27:22 [wendy]
- bc perhaps another location - a reference document about our process and why things are the way they are.
- 14:27:39 [wendy]
- js treating general techs as a place for gen techs as well as a "guide to the guidelines"
- 14:29:20 [wendy]
- js part of concern comes from 1.1 gen techs. 1.3 are different, they are more similar to techs. 2.4 even more similar. as i do more work, getting closer to techniques presentation. plan to go back to 1.1
- 14:36:46 [wendy]
- working bottom-up
- 14:37:08 [wendy]
- the straw polls: tie up loose ends from that process, looking at the one where there was no consensus
- 14:38:46 [wendy]
- encourage people to attend tomorrow's call to better understand discussion about baseline and uaag. waiting for analysis from ben and matt.
- 14:38:55 [wendy]
- right now, HPR is closest to meeting UAG
- 14:38:59 [wendy]
- s/UAG/UAAG
- 14:39:06 [wendy]
- js good to look at UAAG 1.0 before tomorrow's call
- 14:40:06 [ben]
- http://www.w3.org/2004/10/22-wai-wcag-irc.html
- 14:40:54 [wendy]
- bc there is a fair amount of overlap between our work and alistair's work and euroaccessibility on wcag 1.0.
- 14:41:18 [wendy]
- js also, good to have JIS representatives (Takayuki and Makoto) to discuss gaps and overlap between our work and theirs.
- 14:43:02 [wendy]
- wac discussing techniques (from the straw poll that are contentious) assuming UAAG as basline can help us analyze if that is a workable solution.
- 14:44:53 [ben]
- techniques submission archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/
- 14:45:01 [wendy]
- action: cr get caught up on bug submissions
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- action: becky add submissions to bugzilla
- 14:45:36 [wendy]
- action 2 = cr get caught up on techs submissions, except those by becky
- 14:46:26 [wendy]
- tests: moving to w3c site, incorporating tests from ken and alistair, straw polling for concensus on tests
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- -Becky_Gibson
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Wendy
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- -Ben
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Chris_Ridpath
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- -Ken_Kipnes
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- -[Microsoft]
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Wendy, Becky_Gibson, Ben, Ken_Kipnes, Chris_Ridpath, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, [Microsoft]
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 15:17:53 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items:
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- ACTION: ken and chris talk about tests. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T14-13-42
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- ACTION: cr get caught up on techs submissions, except those by becky [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T14-45-01
- 15:17:53 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: becky add submissions to bugzilla [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-wai-wcag-irc#T14-45-09