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16:59:05 <hugo> Zakim, aaaa is Michael.Eder
16:59:13 <Zakim> +Michael.Eder; got it
16:59:28 <Zakim> + +1.509.427.aacc
16:59:28 <hugo> Zakim, aabb is Mark.Peel
16:59:33 <Zakim> +Mark.Peel; got it
16:59:35 <Zakim> + +1.781.902.aadd
16:59:47 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Marsh
17:00:03 <Zakim> + +1.978.460.aaee
17:00:11 <hugo> Zakim, aadd is Rebecca.Bergersen
17:00:11 <Zakim> +Rebecca.Bergersen; got it
17:00:54 <Zakim> +[webMethods]
17:01:16 <mnot> Zakim, who is here?
17:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael.Eder, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Mark.Peel, +1.509.427.aacc, Rebecca.Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, +1.978.460.aaee, [webMethods]
17:01:17 <hugo> Zakim, aaee is Bob.Freund
17:01:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, hugo, Zakim, Marsh, mnot, pauld
17:01:19 <Zakim> +Bob.Freund; got it
17:01:24 <Zakim> + +1.650.320.aaff
17:01:33 <Zakim> +J.Mischkinsky
17:01:52 <hugo> Zakim, aaff is Steve.Winkler
17:01:52 <Zakim> +Steve.Winkler; got it
17:02:10 <Zakim> +[IBM_Watson]
17:02:13 <hugo> Zakim, aacc is temporarily Mark.Hadley
17:02:13 <Zakim> +Mark.Hadley; got it
17:02:46 <Zakim> +JacekK
17:02:58 <Zakim> +??P27
17:03:00 <Zakim> +Anish
17:03:13 <Zakim> + +1.408.252.aagg
17:03:20 <marc> marc has joined #ws-addr
17:03:46 <mnot> zakim, who is here?
17:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael.Eder, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, Mark.Peel, Mark.Hadley, Rebecca.Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, Bob.Freund, [webMethods], Steve.Winkler, J.Mischkinsky,
17:03:49 <Zakim> ... [IBM_Watson], JacekK, Anish, ??P27, +1.408.252.aagg
17:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see marc, RRSAgent, hugo, Zakim, Marsh, mnot, pauld
17:04:06 <hugo> Zakim, aagg is Ales.Novy
17:04:06 <Zakim> +Ales.Novy; got it
17:04:44 <hugo> Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG call
17:04:48 <hugo> Chair: Mark Nottingham
17:04:52 <hugo> Scribe: hugo
17:05:17 <hugo> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-addressing/2004Oct/0022.html
17:05:44 <Zakim> +??P29
17:06:00 <hugo> Zakim, ??P29 is Dave.Orchard
17:06:00 <Zakim> +Dave.Orchard; got it
17:07:04 <marc> Zakim, Mark.Hadley is Marc.Hadley
17:07:04 <Zakim> +Marc.Hadley; got it
17:07:11 <hugo> Topic: Agenda review, AOB
17:07:33 <hugo> Nothing technical today
17:07:40 <hugo> Topic: Working Group process and administrivia
17:07:57 <hugo> Mark: the charter is at http://www.w3.org/2004/09/wsa-charter.html
17:08:13 <hugo> ... it's based on the W3C process, which is consensus-based
17:08:35 <hugo> ... it's also under the W3C patent policy
17:08:48 <anish> anish has joined #ws-addr
17:09:42 <hugo> ... we have 2 mailing lists: a member one for administrative matters, and the public list is for technical matters
17:10:09 <hugo> ... in case we communicate with groups that don't work in public, we may use the member-confidential list
17:10:49 <hugo> ... if you have issues accessing parts of the Web site, contact Hugo
17:11:03 <Marsh> q+
17:11:22 <hugo> ... minutes should be taken on IRC
17:11:37 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/info/name.php3
17:12:13 <hugo> ... it helps to take action items, keep track of the queue, etc.
17:12:20 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/telcontime/
17:12:27 <hugo> ... for telcon times, it's going to be tough to pick a time
17:12:35 <hugo> ... it should be linked from the WG page
17:12:43 <hugo> ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page
17:13:29 <hugo> ack Marsh
17:13:47 <hugo> Jonathan: are you going to send the agenda to the member list or the public list?
17:13:56 <hugo> Mark: any preference?
17:14:02 <anish> i prefer that the agenda goes to public
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17:14:12 <dorchard> q?
17:14:24 <hugo> Jeff: we use the public list in WSD
17:14:32 <Zakim> +Philippe
17:14:36 <hugo> ... except for regrets and call-in numbers
17:14:47 <hugo> Mark: ok, let's try that then
17:15:12 <dorchard> dorchard has joined #ws-addr
17:15:25 <hugo> ... please note that if you can't make it to the meeting, please send regrets to the administrative list
17:15:55 <MrGoodner> MrGoodner has joined #ws-addr
17:15:58 <hugo> ... I'd like to make a decision on telcon times next week
17:16:31 <hugo> ... please answer ASAP
17:16:51 <plh> plh has joined #ws-addr
17:16:52 <hugo> ... we will need to take minutes
17:17:13 <hugo> ... I'll make a call for volunteers, otherwise we'll do a round-robin among WG members
17:17:37 <hugo> ... IRC is not required, but preferred
17:17:41 <Marsh> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
17:17:59 <hugo> Jonathan: IRC gets very useful as soon as lots of people join
17:18:49 <anish-on-the-web> anish-on-the-web has joined #ws-addr
17:18:51 <hugo> Mark: we'll have F2Fs every 1.5 months to start with
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17:19:15 <hugo> ... we should have one in December, and one in Jan
17:19:29 <hugo> ... I have set up a poll
17:20:00 <hugo> ... we should have one in Europe, one on the West Coast, then at the Tech Plen
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17:20:14 <hugo> Jonathan: the WSDWG is interested in colocating
17:20:19 <hugo> ... there is a big overlap
17:20:30 <hugo> ... we have been looking at January
17:20:39 <hugo> ... we can work on this on the CG call
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17:21:10 <hugo> Marc: I am wondering if we are going to have critical mass with such a frequency
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17:21:24 <hugo> MarkN: the charter is pretty clear about this
17:21:34 <hugo> ... actually, this is related to good standing
17:21:56 <dorchard> is it really miss 1 in 3?  
17:21:59 <hugo> ... not attending too many meetings in a row may place you in bad standing
17:22:15 <Zakim> + +1.617.710.aahh
17:23:11 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-standing
17:23:28 <hugo> ... if we have too many people not in good standing, we will see how it impacts the req for quorum
17:23:46 <hugo> Jeff: what rules will you be using for good standing?
17:23:54 <dorchard> yeah, it's miss more than 1 in 3 meetings.
17:24:07 <hugo> MarkN: [ quotes the process / URL above ]
17:24:24 <dorchard> q+
17:24:51 <hugo> ... this has to be applied evenly in the WG
17:25:04 <dorchard> q?
17:25:15 <hugo> ... this will be applied pretty strictly
17:25:29 <hugo> Zakim, aahh is Glen.Daniels
17:25:29 <Zakim> +Glen.Daniels; got it
17:25:54 <hugo> Jeff: I note that there will be telcons during holidays
17:26:10 <hugo> Mark: we'll have to figure things out for holidays
17:26:18 <hugo> ack dor
17:26:42 <hugo> DaveO: both reps count for resetting the standing counter
17:26:57 <hugo> Jeff: how do you get it back if you lose it?
17:27:06 <hugo> Mark: you basically participate regularly
17:27:31 <hugo> Mark: with regards to the issues process:
17:27:53 <hugo> ... I would like to callect issues starting next week at the F2F
17:28:17 <hugo> ... I would like to see for each issue a description of the issue, and a fairly fleshed out resolution proposal
17:28:30 <hugo> ... also, which specifications it applies to should be specified
17:29:15 <hugo> ... re decision making: it's a consensus-based process
17:29:58 <hugo> ... if we can't establish consensus, we'll use a formal vote with simple majority
17:30:11 <hugo> ... issues won't be reopen without new evidence
17:30:18 <hugo> Topic: Work items and schedule
17:30:22 <Zakim> -Bob.Freund
17:30:26 <hugo> Mark: Basis of work: WS-Addressing
17:30:33 <hugo> ... deliverables:
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17:30:37 <hugo> ... Web Services Addressing specification
17:30:41 <hugo> ... Web Services Addressing SOAP 1.1 and SOAP 1.2 Binding specification
17:30:46 <hugo> ... Web Services Addressing WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 Binding specification
17:30:56 <hugo> ... Test suite, with 4 interoperable implementations
17:31:04 <Zakim> +Bob.Freund
17:31:23 <hugo> ... we have a fair amount of work ahead of us
17:32:02 <hugo> ... re editors: if you are interested in becoming an editor, please contact Hugo and I
17:32:12 <anish> q+
17:32:42 <hugo> ... since we have a tight schedule, I'm going to be inclined to choose somebody with W3C editing experince, but it's not a req
17:33:00 <hugo> ... for use cases, we will use this as a motivation to make decisions
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17:34:09 <hugo> Anish: is SOAP 1.1 and WSDL 1.1 being normatively referenced from a Rec an exception?
17:34:40 <hugo> Mark: no; note that there will be time next week to discussed issues derived from the charter
17:34:46 <hugo> Topic: NYC Face-to-Face
17:35:13 <hugo> Mark: I'd like us to walk out with a good understanding of the issues we face
17:35:15 <Zakim> +??P10
17:35:16 <Zakim> -J.Mischkinsky
17:35:28 <hugo> ... also, we need to get to know each other
17:35:57 <hugo> Jonathan: I'm interested in knowing what our implementation story is
17:36:15 <hugo> ... who has implementations? who has test suites to help us for CR stage?
17:37:02 <hugo> Mark: I'll get a revised agenda out today
17:37:22 <hugo> ... note that there is a reading list
17:37:53 <hugo> ... please register before tonight midnight: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36696/addr200410/
17:37:55 <harris> dinner Monday sounds good
17:38:13 <hugo> ... it is traditional to have a group dinner
17:38:46 <hugo> ... maybe on Monday
17:38:56 <hugo> Paco: I'll look for places to go to
17:39:39 <Zakim> -??P10
17:39:45 <Rebecca> bye
17:39:49 <Zakim> -??P27
17:39:50 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
17:39:50 <Zakim> -Glen.Daniels
17:39:51 <Zakim> -Dave.Orchard
17:39:51 <Zakim> -[IBM_Watson]
17:39:52 <Zakim> -Anish
17:39:52 <Zakim> -Marc.Hadley
17:39:54 <Zakim> -Bob.Freund
17:39:56 <Zakim> -Mark.Peel
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17:39:58 <Zakim> -Rebecca.Bergersen
17:40:00 <Zakim> -Ales.Novy
17:40:02 <Zakim> -[webMethods]
17:40:10 <Zakim> -Hugo
17:40:13 <Zakim> -Philippe
17:40:15 <hugo> RRSAgent, please excuse us
17:40:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item:
17:40:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hugo to link polls from home page [1]
17:40:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/21-ws-addr-irc#T17-12-43
17:40:17 <Zakim> -Mark_Nottingham
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17:40:27 <Zakim> -Michael.Eder
17:40:28 <Zakim> WS_ArchWG(address)1:00PM has ended
17:40:29 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.993.aaaa, Hugo, Mark_Nottingham, +1.847.956.aabb, Michael.Eder, +1.509.427.aacc, Mark.Peel, +1.781.902.aadd, Jonathan_Marsh, +1.978.460.aaee,
17:40:32 <Zakim> ... Rebecca.Bergersen, [webMethods], Bob.Freund, +1.650.320.aaff, J.Mischkinsky, Steve.Winkler, [IBM_Watson], JacekK, Anish, +1.408.252.aagg, Ales.Novy, Dave.Orchard, Marc.Hadley,
17:40:33 <hugo> Zakim, please excuse us
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17:40:34 <Zakim> ... Philippe, +1.617.710.aahh, Glen.Daniels
17:40:42 <hugo> RRSAgent, please excuse us
17:40:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items